[Joey0808]

ok im about to be 18 im 6'2 212-215, you could say im a big dude lol kinda but my friend just bought the havoc and epistane stack
and i was wondering is it safe to take because im interested in buying it also, is it safer just to take one or the other? any questions, and i workout about 4-5 days a week and i do continue to get stronger sometimes get on a plateau i have gained about 30+ pounds of muscle in the span of a lil more than a year.
but im still am interested, any answers or comments?

[Australian made]

i cannot be bothered looking up equistane but im guessing you may be refering to Epistane. Either way you are 17 years old and your asking about a steriod which will get you banned from the site pretty swiftly.
Second of all don't even think about taking Havoc for a another few years. I'm the same height but nearly 40lbs heavier. No offence but your not a big dude. You have much more natural growing to do. Your full of natural test right now and you should make the most of it. You have a good headstart being 210 @ 17 you just need to get your diet spot on and maybe try a mass building routine. Tell your friend not to take the Havoc either. Do a search on Havoc and you will see what i'm talking about. I dont mean to be rude but your a newbie and should not be considering this kind of compound. You've made a good start by joining AM. Read as much as you can, it certainly wont do you any harm.

[Joey0808]

ooo ok i didnt kno it was a roid i thought it like a test booster, ok well then cross that off lol ok i appreciate that info your just trying to help and that is why i joined this great site

[AnonyMoose]

Originally Posted by Joey0808

ok im about to be 18 im 6'2 212-215, you could say im a big dude lol kinda but my friend just bought the havoc and epistane stack
and i was wondering is it safe to take because im interested in buying it also, is it safer just to take one or the other? any questions, and i workout about 4-5 days a week and i do continue to get stronger sometimes get on a plateau i have gained about 30+ pounds of muscle in the span of a lil more than a year.
but im still am interested, any answers or comments?

fiirst off - your 18 you have time yet. secondly - havoc epi are basically same idea/compound - they aren't stacked together.

stick with the nutrition, and try protein, creatine, etc. first. even test boosters should be out of your league right now. they would only be a waste as you are producing enough test naturally at this age to not need the boost.


best to you - moose

[Joey0808]

well on the test boosters what if i have one testicle due to i had a hernia when i was a baby i kno that i have compensated by making more but would that be wrong to do?

[heebs10]

Originally Posted by Joey0808

well on the test boosters what if i have one testicle due to i had a hernia when i was a baby i kno that i have compensated by making more but would that be wrong to do?

you still dont need a test booster, it wont do anything. if you put on 30lbs on in the last year you have plenty of test. as for the havoc/epi, well you really dont wont to be playing with steroids at your age, particularly if you only have one testicle, you would seriously mess yourself up for a long time. dont let your friend take it either if hes around your age.

[maynehood171]

at 18 your natural test should be high so I'd train hard, eat right, and take advantage of having all that excess test in the body! Hell wish I worked out hard when I was 18!!!

[Joey0808]

ok well give me the ultimate diet and what supplements should i use, right now i have cytogainer black powder and im about to use cell tech(got it for 20 bucks) i have Kre-alkalyn and noxavol, is it cool when i reach 220 to use a fat burner to cut up?