New Ergopharm product?

[mattikus]

So I been hearing some rumors... about a new 1AD product coming very soon from Ergopharm! The kiddies over at BB.com are speculating over what it is, saying it is another 1-test precursor. Could this be true? How can PA do this after all he's been through? They are also talking about some new IGF1 type product, some type of secretagogue maybe. I gotta admit, my interest is peaked. Has anybody else heard anything about this?

 

[Dagron]

If PA makes a new product you can count on two things; one, it will rock, and two, it will be expensive. Will be interesting to see exactly what he has up his sleeve this time.

 

[jjohn]

Well, of course I am curious as well. PA creates great products. They're expensive, but you pay for the innovation he brings out. I have no problem paying big bucks for a good products. How many youngsters pay top dollar for a Muscletech crap that doesn't meet their claims? Might as well pay, and get something good.

 

[nunes]

A rep from ergo said the new 1-ad is not like the one from AMS so lets see what it is...

 

[mattikus]

AHHHh this waiting and teasing stuff drives me crazy! This could be big. REAL big. I never got a chance to do the old 1ad and really wish that I could have, just based on feedback. This is totally messing with my late spring cycle planning..

 

[RoadBlocK]

Just wanted to see what was new, But I'll pass, none of my money goes to ergo, pa, or prima, dont care for what Ive seen in the past.

 

[Aggravated]

Sounds like this could get interesting. I never did the old 1ad either as I didn't even lift then, but I hear it was all the rave back then.

 

[pantera101]

Halodrol50-halodrol liquigels
superdrol-superdrol ng
enough said

 

[mattikus]

Halodrol50-halodrol liquigels
superdrol-superdrol ng
enough said

Aww man I hope not. Ergo don't go that route.. The rumor tho, is that this is supposed to be a real precursor, just like the original 1ad. One can only hope...

 

[nunes]

Aww man I hope not. Ergo don't go that route.. The rumor tho, is that this is supposed to be a real precursor, just like the original 1ad. One can only hope...

I agree with you , I never seen PA joking with costumers...

 

[lindenhood]

Ok so according to brochures that were seen at the Arnold Classic...
"1-AD
1-Androstenolone

Natural 1-testosterone precursor/metabolite

Same legendary effects as original formula

Conforms to legal requirements"

here is a link to a rat study using 1, methandrostenolone...

http://jdr.iadrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/44/2/442.pdf

Shows body weight in males and females compared to placebo as well as organ weight after use (look at testes weights...interesting differences)

 

[pantera101]

Ok so according to brochures that were seen at the Arnold Classic...
"1-AD
1-Androstenolone

Natural 1-testosterone precursor/metabolite

Same legendary effects as original formula

Conforms to legal requirements"

I hope this stuff is the real deal as well,i will use it if it is,but i will not be the first to use it.I will wait untill every other thread in the steroid section has to do with this 1-AD.Heres one more "bring down"Have you ever read the halodrol liquigels paper on the inside of box?This is bringing back memories.

 

[Big BAMA]

Part of me is thinking Liquid gels and superdrol-NG, And another part of me is thinking PA wouldn't douche-out like that.......at least I don't think he would.
I dream of it being like 1-AD.

 

[Dr Packenwood]

If it has in its description "1-AD like gains" I'd bet its another one of these new supplements trying to ride the coat tails of their previous generation.

If it doesn't then perhaps it is something new. I'd rather see the active ingredients before I'd make the call either way.

There's enough stuff out there using DHEA right now.:rasp:

 

[dsade]

If it has in its description "1-AD like gains" I'd bet its another one of these new supplements trying to ride the coat tails of their previous generation.

If it doesn't then perhaps it is something new. I'd rather see the active ingredients before I'd make the call either way.

There's enough stuff out there using DHEA right now.:rasp:

I spoke with him at great length about this. It appears to be legit, with the same downstream target hormone and a decent conversion rate.

 

[nunes]

Ok so according to brochures that were seen at the Arnold Classic...
"1-AD
1-Androstenolone

Natural 1-testosterone precursor/metabolite

Same legendary effects as original formula

Conforms to legal requirements"

here is a link to a rat study using 1, methandrostenolone...

http://jdr.iadrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/44/2/442.pdf

Shows body weight in males and females compared to placebo as well as organ weight after use (look at testes weights...interesting differences)

if that its true I believe its the same thing that AMS sells, damn

 

[3clipseGT]

if that its true I believe its the same thing that AMS sells, damn

AMS Sell 1-androsterone. androstenolone seems to sound different to me anyways.

 

[mattikus]

1ad and Megamorphosis appear on a brochure for Ergopharm products.
Ohh guess I got it...

 

[nunes]

AMS Sell 1-androsterone. androstenolone seems to sound different to me anyways.

well I dont know if it`s 1-androstenolone or not but if it is I found this:

Effect of an anabolic steroid on physical performance of young men
William M. Fowler JR. 1, Gerald W. Gardner 1, and Glen H. Egstrom 1
1 Department of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, School of Medicine, and the Department of Physical Education, University of California, Los Angeles, California



The performance of 47 men was measured during a 16-week study. Eight of the men received placebos; nine received 1-methyl-1-androstenolone acetate, an anabolic steroid; 15 received placebos and exercise; and 15 received the drug and exercise. There were no significant differences in strength, motor performance, or physical working capacity between the control and the androstenolone-supplemented groups. Differences in other factors such as vital capacity, limb circumference, and skin-fold thickness were also nonsignificant. Under the conditions imposed in this study there was no evidence that the anabolic steroid increased strength in young men.

ergogenic drugs; strength measurements and physical working capacity under anabolic steroid therapy

 

[ripped218]

How are the sides, especially toxicity, compared to M1T?

 

[mattikus]

How are the sides, especially toxicity, compared to M1T?

Nobody knows what this product is yet, let alone the sides effects or toxicity..

 

[stxnas]

Mattikus beat me to it!

I'm going to be following over...there.



It's only page four right now, but PA has yet to comment.

 

[Mass_69]

Ok so according to brochures that were seen at the Arnold Classic...
"1-AD
1-Androstenolone

Natural 1-testosterone precursor/metabolite

Same legendary effects as original formula

Conforms to legal requirements"

here is a link to a rat study using 1, methandrostenolone...

http://jdr.iadrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/44/2/442.pdf

Shows body weight in males and females compared to placebo as well as organ weight after use (look at testes weights...interesting differences)

Unfortunately, that link is about methandrostenolone aka Dianabol.

 

[dsade]

Unfortunately, that link is about methandrostenolone aka Dianabol.

So you are saying that this is going to be like DBOL???


/let's play "start the rumors"

 

[stxnas]

Eh...you two don't even know about this kind of stuff...neither one of you would know a PH if it bit you on the butt!

<prepares for Dsades playground antics :rasp:>

 

[lindenhood]

ahh...my bad! I had to retake chem. a couple of times!:frustrate

 

[Mass_69]

So you are saying that this is going to be like DBOL???


/let's play "start the rumors"

You bad bad person...

 

[stxnas]

Who's that in your avy Mass?

 

[EasyEJL]

I spoke with him at great length about this. It appears to be legit, with the same downstream target hormone and a decent conversion rate.

Well, if it was good enough to fool matt then ah well, hmm. Does anyone else have an opinion?

Assuming the price isn't ludicrous (which is possible) i'll probably do a cycle of this

 

[mattikus]

I'm really liking all the rumors I am hearing. I will pay the high price for this, no problem. It will be nice not having to worry about quality control. I am also interested in Megamorphosis. Did anybody get any info on that one?

 

[stxnas]

The prosteroids were before my time...what was 1-AD best known for?

 

[diminuendo]

Precursor hormone for 1-T

 

[EasyEJL]

The prosteroids were before my time...what was 1-AD best known for?

clean dry easily maintained gains, minimal sides other than suppression.

 

[Mass_69]

Who's that in your avy Mass?

Troy Alves. That was from the Atlantic City Pro Am in August. My friend grew up with Troy in CT, so we went to see him since he lives in Arizona now. This was my first show to see. We ate w/Fouad Abiad (who picked up the tab - Thanks Fouad!). After the show we met back up w/Troy and ate again. It was a good time. Troy's a cool guy.

Sorry for hijack.

 

[poopypants]

Well, if it was good enough to fool matt then ah well, hmm. Does anyone else have an opinion?

Assuming the price isn't ludicrous (which is possible) i'll probably do a cycle of this

LOL at that comment... it WILL be priced for big pockets.. but I bet many will empty thier smaller ones to try it too.

Same target compound is great.... good conversion rates are great... question is what else can it convert into down the line and will thse things be undesireable (ie estrogen) maybe at an effective dose it will have too many neg effects.... I just hope its all its chopped up to be... cause there will be cheaper clones eventually maybe even bulk.

 

[diminuendo]

PA acts like a douche a lot on boards, but he is certainly one of the top innovators in this industry and I have yet to see him release something that was not both novel and very effective.

 

[stxnas]

No worries about the hijack Mass, I asked the last question

Thanks for the feedback Easy and Diminuendo. How was it on the good ole libido?

 

[mattikus]

I've heard the old 1ad destroyed libido, which was remedied by stacking with an androgenic compound, such as 4ad. I don't think estrogen was a problem with 1ad on cycle, maybe after. If this new release is as good as it is supposed to be, what are we supposed to stack with to keep libido high?

 

[EasyEJL]

No worries about the hijack Mass, I asked the last question

Thanks for the feedback Easy and Diminuendo. How was it on the good ole libido?

Lets just say stock up on 4ad or dermacrine or aspire36 while you can.

 

[stxnas]

Maybe stack it with PP then?

 

[dsade]

Maybe stack it with PP then?

Yowch...talk about hard on the hairline.


(rumor has it that some material might be heading my way in trade to see how a Havoc/1-AD/DHEA stack goes.)

 

[mattikus]

Maybe stack it with PP then?

That could be a good idea, I assume libido is elevated with PP?

Just saw dsade's post and that sounds like an excellent plan. I like Havoc and I like having hair.

 

[EasyEJL]

Maybe stack it with PP then?

well, but you start to loose the advantage of minimal sides then. I mean i'd do a cycle of 1-ad without cycle support, thats how low sides it is. so i think dermacrine regular, or just use something like coq diesel or aspire for the libido part.

 

[stxnas]

I don't care about hair...it's overrated IMO. I just shave it every few weeks anyways, lol.

EDIT: Interesting take Easy.

 

[EasyEJL]

if 4ad was still legal, or easily accessible, or I had some bottles in my house already, that would be a better choice or actually if I go on TRT

 

[Aggravated]

If it has in its description "1-AD like gains" I'd bet its another one of these new supplements trying to ride the coat tails of their previous generation.

If it doesn't then perhaps it is something new. I'd rather see the active ingredients before I'd make the call either way.

There's enough stuff out there using DHEA right now.:rasp:

If he were going to do this, I would assume he would have done it already? I mean, even though he can be a douche, I don't think he would ***** out like that. I hope it is legit as well as I missed out on the original.

 

[dsade]

I hope it is legit as well as I missed out on the original.

You did miss out, then...1-AD was one of the first TRULY effective PHs I used when I got out of the Army. DAMN impressive gains for such a relatively side-effect free product.

 

[Aggravated]

if 4ad was still legal, or easily accessible, or I had some bottles in my house already, that would be a better choice or actually if I go on TRT

That eagle on your chest is gonna get really mean looking and bite your nipples off in your sleep if you do...I promise!

 

[3clipseGT]

You did miss out, then...1-AD was one of the first TRULY effective PHs I used when I got out of the Army. DAMN impressive gains for such a relatively side-effect free product.

I think you said it best here. Also PA may have dry humor and like to debate a lot, but he is one SMART SMART man. Im DEFINATELY looking forward to this and have my stack already planned. check it out!

1-ad from ergo
Dsades Formestanes product

Nice lil ole cycle with maybe some havoc thrown in! hahah
I definately cant wait!

 

[poopypants]

Yowch...talk about hard on the hairline.


(rumor has it that some material might be heading my way in trade to see how a Havoc/1-AD/DHEA stack goes.)

PP didnt even touch my hair.... epi did more damage then PP did... but even when my hair thins slightly it comes right back in pct just as thick as before.

I think your stack above will be mighty fine though if this compound pans out to deliver enough of the final target hormone.