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strongsafety2

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week 1 pheraplex 20mg
week 2 pheraplex 20 mg
week 3 pheraplex 20 mg, havoc 20 mg
week 4 havoc 20 mg
week 5 havoc 30 mg
week 6 havoc 30 mg

cycle support throughout cyle and pct

PCT

week 1-4 sustain alpha
week 1-4 PCT Advanced , 4,3,2,2
week 3 throwing in retain2

what do you think?
 
strongsafety2 said:
week 1 pheraplex 20mg
week 2 pheraplex 20 mg
week 3 pheraplex 20 mg, havoc 20 mg
week 4 havoc 20 mg
week 5 havoc 30 mg
week 6 havoc 30 mg

cycle support throughout cyle and post cycle therapy

PCT

week 1-4 sustain alpha
week 1-4 PCT Advanced , 4,3,2,2
week 3 throwing in retain2

what do you think?
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This is not much different than your previous attempt and I have to say I don't understand why you wouldn't just run 4 or 5 weeks of Phera ramping up to 30 or 40mg. Why the Havoc?

Either way, your PCT is still off because you're going to need a SERM after running what you have listed.

Try not to get pissed off again at people who give you solid advice.
 
EctoPower said:
This is not much different than your previous attempt and I have to say I don't understand why you wouldn't just run 4 or 5 weeks of Phera ramping up to 30 or 40mg. Why the Havoc?

Either way, your post cycle therapy is still off because you're going to need a SERM after running what you have listed.

Try not to get pissed off again at people who give you solid advice.
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well i heard that Sustain Alpha can be used as the serm. i hear its good enough. and i was thinking about what you said about the pheraplex cycle and i probably will do that instead. i have 2 bottles of it i need to use because they expire in august. i can always save the Havoc for something else. the reason why i was going to stack them is because phera is wet and havoc is dry meaning it would be pretty good results, i understand the liver issues though.
 
need a serm IMO, not something that might work like a serm. sustain alpha is to new to know if it is a affective as other tried and true serms.
 
alright with taking everyones advice. i've decided on this

week 1 20 mg phera
week 2 20 mg phera
week 3 30 mg phera
week 4 30 mg phera
week 5 30-40 mg phera "depending on how i feel"

support
Cycle support 2 scoops a day

post cycle therapy
Nolva 40,40,20,20??
post cycle therapy Advanced- 4,3,2,2
week 3-retain2
cycle support 1 scoop a day
Ngorge

critique again please
 
strongsafety2 said:
alright with taking everyones advice. i've decided on this

week 1 20 mg phera
week 2 20 mg phera
week 3 30 mg phera
week 4 30 mg phera
week 5 30-40 mg phera "depending on how i feel"

support
Cycle support 2 scoops a day

post cycle therapy
Nolva 40,40,20,20??
post cycle therapy Advanced- 4,3,2,2
week 3-retain2
cycle support 1 scoop a day
Ngorge

critique again please
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That looks better to me, at least for the on cycle portion. Others may weigh in on the PCT and my first thought was that you may not need CS in PCT and that you might want to run APCT in the other direction. That is, start with a low dose and ramp up through PCT. The reason is that you'll be suppressed after this cycle, and there won't be any need for an AI until your HPTA gets restarted. Look for PCT threads that discuss running an AI inverse to the SERM for more details.

And check out Celc5's Phera log here for a good example of a Phera cycle:

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EctoPower said:
That looks better to me, at least for the on cycle portion. Others may weigh in on the post cycle therapy and my first thought was that you may not need CS in PCT and that you might want to run APCT in the other direction. That is, start with a low dose and ramp up through PCT. The reason is that you'll be suppressed after this cycle, and there won't be any need for an AI until your HPTA gets restarted. Look for PCT threads that discuss running an AI inverse to the SERM for more details.

And check out Celc5's Phera log here for a good example of a Phera cycle:

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thanks for the help man
 
the cycle support in PCT is good, keep it there. thats at half dose, so it will provide a cushion and help get the blood pressure, etc back to where it should be if it did move
 
Would it benefit him to maintain the 2 scoops of Cycle support throughout PCT? My guess would be yes but what does everyone think.
 
absolutely. pheraplex definitely is known for blood pressure sides, and anytime estrogen goes low enough the lipids go to crap too
 
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