Need input on stacking Advanced Muscle Science products
- 12-30-2007, 03:18 AM
Need input on stacking Advanced Muscle Science products
I currently have been seeing alot of negative feedback on AMS products, but I got a deal on ebay so I am going to start stacking these products just to see for myself if they are any good. I havent read alot on here about many people taking AMS products so Im going to be the test dummy. I got 2 bottles of Decavol , 2 bottles of 4-AD, 2 bottles of 1-Androsterone and 2 bottles of Arom-x. I also have a friend that will be doing the same minus the decavol. Does anyone have any knowledgable input on stacking all these products together? And should I take the Arom-x with the cycle? I would really appreciate your input
- 12-30-2007, 11:29 AM
No one really uses AMS products on this forum, and it's sad to say this but search BB.com forum, because there is some feedback there. So far I learned that the Decavol is severely underdosed. However, the 1AD and 4AD should be a pretty good stack if dosed a little higher as well. I've also heard the libido is absolutely non-existent though on these.
- 12-31-2007, 02:05 AM
Could you tell me anything about using the estrogen blocker during or post cycle? All the estrogen blocker stuff is new to me. I use to use Androstat 150 which was the following:
Serving Size: 2 Poppers
Servings Per Container: 50
Per Serving % Daily
Balanced Andro Complex 150mg **
5-Androstene-317-Dione (5-Androstenedione) 5mg **
19-Nor-4-Androstene-317-Diol (19-Nor-4 Androstendiol) 5mg
4-Androstene-317-Diol (4-Androstenediol) 125mg **
4-Androstenedione-317-Dione (4-Androstenedione) 5mg **
5-Androstene-317-Diol (5-Androstenediol) 5mg **
19-Nor-4-Androstene-317-Dione (19-Nor-4-Androstenedione) 5mg **
(HPBC) Hydroxyproply-Beta-Cyclodextrin 125mg **
I was more ignorant to supplementation then so thats all I took and never worried about estrogen blockers but I never had any problems with the ***** tit or hair falling out or anything so the estrogen blocker are still new to me and I just havent done enough research to really understand the whole concept of them.
12-31-2007, 10:41 AM
Decavol has an anti estrogen in it, ATD, so don't worry about that, but get your PCT setup.
01-02-2008, 07:27 PM
01-02-2008, 07:57 PM
an actual SERM, like tamoxifen citrate or toremifene citrate. Other wise Post cyle support, and transdermal formestane on your chest with a low dose of 6-oxo.
01-02-2008, 11:45 PM
01-03-2008, 12:09 AM
If you're going to use one of the OTC AI's for PCT, go with 6-oxo. Formestane has some conversion to an androgenic compound which is not an ideal characteristic for a PCT product. Also, if you go with ergo's 6-oxo extreme its also got resveratrol which is a definite bonus.
An ideal PCT for these compounds would be a SERM (nolva, clomid, etc) though.
01-03-2008, 12:13 AM
Like I said though, formestane converts to 4-OH-testosterone in small quantities which may interrupt the AI's HTPA stimulation do to its androgenic activity. 6-oxo's metabolites have been show to have no androgenic activity so this shouldn't be an issue.
Neither of these are controlled substances so that's not an issue.
01-03-2008, 02:31 AM
01-03-2008, 02:40 AM
If you already ordered formestane bulk powder, just pick up some penetrate from nutraplanet. This would make a suitable carrier for the formestane.
E-form, by dermabolics is a pre-mixed transdermal formestane product that you may find available (not at NP though).
01-03-2008, 02:47 AM
I'm sure most people would prefer the original 1-AD rather than the new, legal version.
I looove Google.
01-03-2008, 03:05 AM
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01-03-2008, 03:07 AM
01-03-2008, 11:49 AM
I'm not sure what's in Arom-X beside ATD, but I remember someone saying it's suppressive and not good for PCT. I'd get the Penetrate from NP so you can put a little formestane on your chest to prevent gyno. Not a lot mind you, just a little. Search for Neoborn's FAQ on formestane. That with Post cycle support and 6-oxo and you should be good.
01-03-2008, 01:25 PM
If those are not options, I would go with 6-oxo...or better yet, 6-oxo extreme.
Arom-x is formulated around ATD, which is a potent AI. I personally don't like it that much due to sides, but others seem to love it so I dunno. I wouldn't take it on cycle though, if you're going to use it then use it for your PCT.
01-03-2008, 01:27 PM
01-03-2008, 11:10 PM
Because I believe at very low doses it wont be suppressive enough to hinder your PCT and it's spot specific to ward away gyno.
01-04-2008, 03:16 AM
Thank guys I appreciate everybodys help
01-10-2008, 02:03 PM
Here's a good Post Cycle Therapy...
Week 1 75mg atd + 150mg dhea + 1.8g fenugreek
Week 2 50mg atd + 100mg dhea + 2.4g fenugreek
Week 3 25mg atd + 50mg dhea + 3g fenugreek
Week4 25mg atd + 25mg dhea + 3.6g fenugreek
ATD product examples: Arom-X, Anabolic Xtreme Rebound XT, SNS Inhibit-E, Gaspari Novedex XT, LG Sciences Formadrol Extreme, ALRI Restore, Neogenix Regenesen, Anabolic Xtreme Hyperdrol X2...and many more!
DHEA and Fenugreek, both are pretty cheap.
01-11-2008, 08:13 PM
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