Best Hardcore stack, no SERM

  1. Best Hardcore stack, no SERM


    Trolling the boards for a few weeks now to get reviews of everything from Havoc to AA and all points in between. One thing I haven't seen that I am curious about is any opinions on the most potent stack for mass gains that would NOT require a SERM, and as little PCT as possible. Currently running the ALRI EVO stack and liking it so far although I am only a couple of weeks in. Just posting this to see what replies I get and hopefully help me and a few others out on what to do in the New Year that would not be too toxic. I am in my mid-30s, about 6'2" and stay in the low 200 pound range and have been lifting on and off for 20 years, been taking supps since the late 80s (what a sad period that was). This would be a stack all about helping with a bulk cycle. Any input at all would be greatly appreciated.


  2. What are you taking in addition to the Evo stack and how is that stack working for you?

  3. I'm taking AST multi, Universal Whey. I stopped my creatine about 3-4 weeks before starting the ALRI stack and remain off of it as I was curious as to how the stack would work with minimum extra supps thrown in. I am exactly 2 weeks into the stack, gained 4 pounds so far. All day pumps are the best. Vascularity has improved. Strength coming on and good drive to lift. The BAM comes into the cycle today to go with the JW. I was thinking of adding Creatine towards the last 1/2 of the cycle.
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  4. I have run it with creatine the whole time. Some people will tell you its a waste to do that but I figured what the he**. As far as what to add to the Evo stack and stay natural well, maybe X-factor?

  5. I am scared of X-Factor re: inflammation due to several joint problems. And I am not looking to add to the current stack now, just a new stack to try out early next year....But I have heard great things about X-Factor stacked with a couple of other things..................trying to get opinions on the most "potent" stuff people have used. I see some are using Havoc w/ no SERM but that seems risky.

  6. I was just looking around at NP and Jungle Warfare, Bulk X-factor, and Clout would be killer, throw in some bulk Leucine with a dash of bulk AAKG and or White Flood. (maybe just JW and AA)

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jjblacksheep View Post
    I am scared of X-Factor re: inflammation due to several joint problems. And I am not looking to add to the current stack now, just a new stack to try out early next year....But I have heard great things about X-Factor stacked with a couple of other things..................trying to get opinions on the most "potent" stuff people have used. I see some are using Havoc w/ no SERM but that seems risky.
    you could probably get away without a SERM if you just used it preworkout at 10-20mg.

  8. Would you get good results running low dose Havoc at say 10/20/20/20..or maybe bump to 30 the last week?
    Agree...JW/Clout/X-Factor would probably be some pretty wicked stuff.

  9. Look into pulsing, might be a good option for you. Just take the compound (Havoc) pre and/or post workout. There has been some good feedback with this. Hope you like BAM, it gave me some nice strength gains.

  10. H-drol is the mildest designer PH on the market and probably doesn't require an SERM.

    You could also do a pulse cycle of epistane or havoc. But that's a more powerful compound than halodrol.

  11. Clout, Body Octane, RPM, Drive, IGF-2, Neovar, X-factor, DCP
    You say your kids need xmas gifts, but do they really?

  12. The gift will be a pumped n happy dad, able to lift them with one arm.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by methodice View Post
    The gift will be a pumped n happy dad, able to lift them with one arm.
    My uncle used to pick me up by the sides of my head.

  14. thanks for the opinions, good stacks I can look into some more. Too bad I'll have to tell my 2 little girls Santa died.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by jjblacksheep View Post
    Too bad I'll have to tell my 2 little girls Santa died.
    He gone!
  

  
 

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