Turns out that Cellmass doesn't contain ANY CEM3 at all. Neither do NO Xplode or Nitrix. This is from a thread taken off of another site.




supplementpolice.com/Complaint.pdf

I've taken NO-Xplode and I gained 15 lbs in 2 months, but that was with going to the gym for a couple of hours, for 5 days out of every week. I included a lot of protein in my diet. Did cardio as well. Didn't drink a lot of water because CEE doesn't dehyrate me like CM does. Besides, CM also made me feel bloated and gave me horrible gas. I hated it. But NO-Xplode did wonders for me.

You need to be very careful about what you read online.

Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY

I've taken NO-Xplode and I gained 15 lbs in 2 months, but that was with going to the gym for a couple of hours, for 5 days out of every week.

Yes, I'm sure you bulked up amazingly through the regular use of flavored caffeine powder.

I included a lot of protein in my diet.

I'm sure the gains had more to do with the caffeine than the protein or training.

Did cardio as well. Didn't drink a lot of water because CEE doesn't dehyrate me like CM does. Besides, CM also made me feel bloated and gave me horrible gas. I hated it. But NO-Xplode did wonders for me.

According to the lawsuit, after being tested repeatedly, NO Xplode only CONTAINS Creatine Mono. Maybe the reason you had problems with CM is because you took too high of a dose?? Have you ever tried just taking 1-2grams of creatine mono and not 5 or more??? You ever thought that maybe the reason you didn't bloat on these products is because you were using a lot less creatine overall.

You need to be very careful about what you read online.

They're being sued in a court of law. That is a fact.

Originally Posted by ElMariachi

Yes, I'm sure you bulked up amazingly through the regular use of flavored caffeine powder.



I'm sure the gains had more to do with the caffeine than the protein or training.



According to the lawsuit, after being tested repeatedly, NO Xplode only CONTAINS Creatine Mono. Maybe the reason you had problems with CM is because you took too high of a dose?? Have you ever tried just taking 1-2grams of creatine mono and not 5 or more??? You ever thought that maybe the reason you didn't bloat on these products is because you were using a lot less creatine overall.







They're being sued in a court of law. That is a fact.

agreed. these are court papers I believe.

charged of unjust enrichment,fraud lol these are some serious charges. BSN could run into some serious trouble. Below is the evidence that they claim their CEM3 is legit when it's not

Lucky bastards who whipped out this lawsuit are going to be rich if their lawyer is good.

Well, why doesn't everybody just jump on the wagon and sue BSN then?

Originally Posted by ElMariachi

Yes, I'm sure you bulked up amazingly through the regular use of flavored caffeine powder.



I'm sure the gains had more to do with the caffeine than the protein or training.



According to the lawsuit, after being tested repeatedly, NO Xplode only CONTAINS Creatine Mono. Maybe the reason you had problems with CM is because you took too high of a dose?? Have you ever tried just taking 1-2grams of creatine mono and not 5 or more??? You ever thought that maybe the reason you didn't bloat on these products is because you were using a lot less creatine overall.







They're being sued in a court of law. That is a fact.

I'll look into this.

I was just stating what I experienced. I figured that you were just someone bashing BSN, meanwhile supporting another company, by the looks of your very little post count. My bad.

By the way, I lost weight and slimmed out, while using NO-Xplode and did notice increases in strength. I would know what I experienced. No need to get all high and mighty on everybody here.

Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY

Well, why doesn't everybody just jump on the wagon and sue BSN then?

lol great idea man! jk

Im accused of buying N.O Explode before. I did "feel" it but as far as gains Ive never experienced any.

Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY

I'll look into this.

I was just stating what I experienced. I figured that you were just someone bashing BSN, by the looks of your very little post count. My bad.

By the way, I lost weight and slimmed out, while using NO-Xplode and did notice increases in strength. I would know what I experienced. No need to get all high and mighty on everybody here.

I will argue on NY's side as well. To each their own, some people experience different gains. Have people used BSN and liked the results? yeah of course. It's not complete garbage, but its nothing special either. Plain monohydrate creatine will add a few extra pounds to you. Caffeine will give increase in energy and strength. Some people love it, some dont. Thats fine. I think it works for the first week for energy and then shortly after, nothing. but thats just my opinion. Agian different people see different results on the same supplements. It depends on the person thats all.

Originally Posted by Cellardude

lol great idea man! jk

Im accused of buying N.O Explode before. I did "feel" it but as far as gains Ive never experienced any.

I had a very healthy and strict diet at the time. I also looked and felt more solid. I didn't consume a lot of water because I was hardly ever thirsty. I noticed an increase in strength. I looked slim, but jacked also. I know I definitely experienced something from it and surely put it to good use.

I've put quite a bit of money into NO-Xplode and it never let me down. Everybody's body is different and I doubt BSN is the only supplement company that exaggerates their products and their contents.

Perhaps the 'supplement police' here on AM could look into researching the other BSN products? Who's to say those aren't exaggerated? Hell, why don't we all just start a revolution against the supplement industry.

Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY

I had a very healthy and strict diet at the time. I also looked and felt more solid. I didn't consume a lot of water because I was hardly ever thirsty. I noticed an increase in strength. I looked slim, but jacked also. I know I definitely experienced something from it and surely put it to good use.

I've put quite a bit of money into NO-Xplode and it never let me down. Everybody's body is different and I doubt BSN is the only supplement company that exaggerates their products and their contents.

Perhaps the 'supplement police' here on AM could look into researching the other BSN products? Who's to say those aren't exaggerated? Hell, why don't we all just start a revolution against the supplement industry.

Exaggerating and flat-out LYING about what is inside a product are two different things.




An exaggeration is "This product will make you HUGE in a single week."


A lie is "this product contains a REVOLUTIONARY FORM OF CREATINE THAT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND" when the product contains plain ole' creatine monohydrate.





So basically folks have been paying $30+ bucks for 40 servings of flavored, low-dose creatine mono.

Originally Posted by ElMariachi

Yes, I'm sure you bulked up amazingly through the regular use of flavored caffeine powder.



I'm sure the gains had more to do with the caffeine than the protein or training.



According to the lawsuit, after being tested repeatedly, NO Xplode only CONTAINS Creatine Mono. Maybe the reason you had problems with CM is because you took too high of a dose?? Have you ever tried just taking 1-2grams of creatine mono and not 5 or more??? You ever thought that maybe the reason you didn't bloat on these products is because you were using a lot less creatine overall.







They're being sued in a court of law. That is a fact.

Originally Posted by ElMariachi

Exaggerating and flat-out LYING about what is inside a product are two different things.




An exaggeration is "This product will make you HUGE in a single week."


A lie is "this product contains a REVOLUTIONARY FORM OF CREATINE THAT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND" when the product contains plain ole' creatine monohydrate.





So basically folks have been paying $30+ bucks for 40 servings of flavored, low-dose creatine mono.

What supplement company doesn't exaggerate and lie about the ingredients in their products!? Seriously.

As I said, lets all just start a revolution against the supplement industry. We could all become millionaires by suing all these companies that we love and feed our money to anyway, even though they're giving us the big stiffie.

Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY

I had a very healthy and strict diet at the time. I also looked and felt more solid. I didn't consume a lot of water because I was hardly ever thirsty. I noticed an increase in strength. I looked slim, but jacked also. I know I definitely experienced something from it and surely put it to good use.

I've put quite a bit of money into NO-Xplode and it never let me down. Everybody's body is different and I doubt BSN is the only supplement company that exaggerates their products and their contents.

Perhaps the 'supplement police' here on AM could look into researching the other BSN products? Who's to say those aren't exaggerated? Hell, why don't we all just start a revolution against the supplement industry.

Agreed. Sometimes companys do claim things on an unlikely degree. However they do work to some degree. This is why I only stick to my companys like PAL and AN company like these are company's that Ive never really experienced bs from.

However you cannot say that BSN overhyped their product when there is no hype to begin with my friend. BSN claims that their creatine CEM3 or w/e is better than other creatines. This fake advertising has lead to their success. With this it has been discovered that there is no such thing. There is no real debate about this in a court of law. If it's proven then it's proven. You cannot prove that a supplement doesnt put up to the claim on products because agian, everyone has different experiences. One may love a product like aspire while a selected few may say it doesnt work. You cannot argue this is a court of law, however you can argue on fraud advertising in this term when the what they were advertising was never there. It's like advertising online for something like a car. When someone pays for it they however never recieve the car because their was no car to begin with. This can be argued in a courtroom.

Originally Posted by matthew76

I demand that good posting emoticon from you matt after spending 10 minutes writing up my response :P

Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY

I've taken NO-Xplode and I gained 15 lbs in 2 months, but that was with going to the gym for a couple of hours, for 5 days out of every week. I included a lot of protein in my diet. Did cardio as well. Didn't drink a lot of water because CEE doesn't dehyrate me like CM does. Besides, CM also made me feel bloated and gave me horrible gas. I hated it. But NO-Xplode did wonders for me.

You need to be very careful about what you read online.

Are you attributing your 15 lbs to NO xpode?

Originally Posted by warbird01

Are you attributing your 15 lbs to NO xpode?

Definitely not. I'm just assuming that the stimulant effect from NO-Xplode had helped me gain those 15 lbs. I was constantly in the gym. A couple hours a day, 5 days a week. I did a lot of heavy lifting. The NO-Xplode definitely stimulated and I do believe the Creatine content helped to some degree, as well. But I believe I accomplished the gains mostly on my own.

Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY

What supplement company doesn't exaggerate and lie about the ingredients in their products!? Seriously.

As I said, lets all just start a revolution against the supplement industry. We could all become millionaires by suing all these companies that we love and feed our money to anyway, even though they're giving us the big stiffie.

you cannot go around accusing companys bro. you have to prove it first. remember bsn probably has a counter claim agianst the plaintiff. They might claim that this court case or accusation is ruining their reputation. If you were to start accusing randomly and blindly you could end up in some serious trouble. BSN is just a big company thats why it was hit the way it was hit. It happens. Im sure some smaller companys out their do the same. The plaintiffs were just sueing on the fact that BSN's money should not rightfully belong to them. The reason why is because BSN never had anything to sell in the first place. It's like trying to buy a car, and getting a piano instead. Two different things, you paid for item X or in this case the patent technology creatine, when their is no such thing, a court case is likely to happen. Im sure BSN has lawyers that will pull them out of this though somehow.

Originally Posted by Cellardude

Agreed. Sometimes companys do claim things on an unlikely degree. However they do work to some degree. This is why I only stick to my companys like PAL and AN company like these are company's that Ive never really experienced bs from.

However you cannot say that BSN overhyped their product when there is no hype to begin with my friend. BSN claims that their creatine CEM3 or w/e is better than other creatines. This fake advertising has lead to their success. With this it has been discovered that there is no such thing. There is no real debate about this in a court of law. If it's proven then it's proven. You cannot prove that a supplement doesnt put up to the claim on products because agian, everyone has different experiences. One may love a product like aspire while a selected few may say it doesnt work. You cannot argue this is a court of law, however you can argue on fraud advertising in this term when the what they were advertising was never there. It's like advertising online for something like a car. When someone pays for it they however never recieve the car because their was no car to begin with. This can be argued in a courtroom.

Many companies use false advertising, even to the slightest degree. You have to do what you can to look bigger and better than the next guy, who just so happens to be selling the same thing directed towards the same people. It's competitive business.

False advertising can get you sued, of course. But a lot of companies out there could get, and have been, sued for it. I'm sure that people will seek justice with other supplement companies someday.

Originally Posted by Cellardude

Agreed. Sometimes companys do claim things on an unlikely degree. However they do work to some degree. This is why I only stick to my companys like PAL and AN company like these are company's that Ive never really experienced bs from.

However you cannot say that BSN overhyped their product when there is no hype to begin with my friend. BSN claims that their creatine CEM3 or w/e is better than other creatines. This fake advertising has lead to their success. With this it has been discovered that there is no such thing. There is no real debate about this in a court of law. If it's proven then it's proven. You cannot prove that a supplement doesnt put up to the claim on products because agian, everyone has different experiences. One may love a product like aspire while a selected few may say it doesnt work. You cannot argue this is a court of law, however you can argue on fraud advertising in this term when the what they were advertising was never there. It's like advertising online for something like a car. When someone pays for it they however never recieve the car because their was no car to begin with. This can be argued in a courtroom.

Sorry about the double post!

Originally Posted by Cellardude

you cannot go around accusing companys bro. you have to prove it first. remember bsn probably has a counter claim agianst the plaintiff. They might claim that this court case or accusation is ruining their reputation. If you were to start accusing randomly and blindly you could end up in some serious trouble. BSN is just a big company thats why it was hit the way it was hit. It happens. Im sure some smaller companys out their do the same. The plaintiffs were just sueing on the fact that BSN's money should not rightfully belong to them. The reason why is because BSN never had anything to sell in the first place. It's like trying to buy a car, and getting a piano instead. Two different things, you paid for item X or in this case the patent technology creatine, when their is no such thing, a court case is likely to happen. Im sure BSN has lawyers that will pull them out of this though somehow.

I'm not accusing any company of anything. But every company lies, even to the slightest degree. Every company lies and exaggerates. It's how you make it in business.

And I agree. I'm sure BSN has a team of lawyers, double or triple the size of OJ's.

Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY

Many companies use false advertising, even to the slightest degree. You have to do what you can to look bigger and better than the next guy, who just so happens to be selling the same thing directed towards the same people. It's competitive business.

False advertising can get you sued, of course. But a lot of companies out there could get, and have been, sued for it. I'm sure that people will seek justice with other supplement companies someday.

I really hate the fact that I'm debating about legal issues right now, especially after the legal sh!t I've been through for the past 5 months.

lol haha I actually like a debate like this. See agian, about your point their is a difference with exaggerating vs lying. You cannot prove an exaggerated point. It's just not a "fact" that you can use. lying is however and can be proven.

Agian with exaggerated claims you the plaintiff can say oh I never saw these types of gains. The defendant could argue oh you did X,Y and Z things wrong. And they can also say that X person did get those gains. Their is no debate agianst those things as they vary from person to person. But a flat out lie can be proven. Theirs a difference between lying about advertising and lying about an ingredience. Hydroxycut for example, is claimed to cut fat. How much fat depends on the person and X,Y,Z factors. Hydroxycut claiming to have X in it while it has no traces of X but only Y is a lie. The money profitted from that claim would be stealing. It's like going into a BMW dealer and getting a ford. False advertising is saying this car can go X fast and is very popular when it isnt. Sure he lied to you, but techincally he didnt steal from you. Your just an idiot

Originally Posted by Cellardude

Agreed. Sometimes companys do claim things on an unlikely degree. However they do work to some degree. This is why I only stick to my companys like PAL and AN company like these are company's that Ive never really experienced bs from.

However you cannot say that BSN overhyped their product when there is no hype to begin with my friend. BSN claims that their creatine CEM3 or w/e is better than other creatines. This fake advertising has lead to their success. With this it has been discovered that there is no such thing. There is no real debate about this in a court of law. If it's proven then it's proven. You cannot prove that a supplement doesnt put up to the claim on products because agian, everyone has different experiences. One may love a product like aspire while a selected few may say it doesnt work. You cannot argue this is a court of law, however you can argue on fraud advertising in this term when the what they were advertising was never there. It's like advertising online for something like a car. When someone pays for it they however never recieve the car because their was no car to begin with. This can be argued in a courtroom.

Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY

I'm not accusing any company of anything. But every company lies, even to the slightest degree. Every company lies and exaggerates. It's how you make it in business.

And I agree. I'm sure BSN has a team of lawyers, double or triple the size of OJ's.

lol. did you see the south park episode of when they used OJ's lawyer? that **** made me crack up like crazy. He argued the chewbacca defense which "made no sense" rofl. Im sure BSN lawyers will pull their asses out of this somehow.

Originally Posted by matthew76

haha that made my day

Originally Posted by Cellardude

lol haha I actually like a debate like this. See agian, about your point their is a difference with exaggerating vs lying. You cannot prove an exaggerated point. It's just not a "fact" that you can use. lying is however and can be proven.

Agian with exaggerated claims you the plaintiff can say oh I never saw these types of gains. The defendant could argue oh you did X,Y and Z things wrong. And they can also say that X person did get those gains. Their is no debate agianst those things as they vary from person to person. But a flat out lie can be proven. Theirs a difference between lying about advertising and lying about an ingredience. Hydroxycut for example, is claimed to cut fat. How much fat depends on the person and X,Y,Z factors. Hydroxycut claiming to have X in it while it has no traces of X but only Y is a lie. The money profitted from that claim would be stealing. It's like going into a BMW dealer and getting a ford. False advertising is saying this car can go X fast and is very popular when it isnt.

Hmmm.

I'm gonna research this issue a little bit and read the article linked at the top.

Still. Every company lies. This time around, somebody just really had it out for BSN. BSN dug themselves a hole, but I'm sure they'll get out of it with the money they've made. They got caught. Maybe they'll actually create something like CEM3 at some point rather than labeling their products as containing it.

i bet bsn will settle out of court.

Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY

Hmmm.

I'm gonna research this issue a little bit and read the article linked at the top.

Still. Every company lies. This time around, somebody just really had it out for BSN. BSN dug themselves a hole, but I'm sure they'll get out of it with the money they've made. They got caught. Maybe they'll actually create something like CEM3 at some point rather than labeling their products as containing it.

probably. They might dig themselves out of many holes in fact. I however dont see them getting out of the whole CEM3 thing however. Reguardless I still think they might be charged with fraud. You should read the article above. It was an intresting read. I skimmed through it but it was a pretty intresting read. Not as hard to interpret as other things ive seen before.

Originally Posted by Cellardude

lol. did you see the south park episode of when they used OJ's lawyer? that **** made me crack up like crazy. He argued the chewbacca defense which "made no sense" rofl. Im sure BSN lawyers will pull their asses out of this somehow.

Yes, the late Johnny Cochran. That guy could get anybody out of anything. There's actually a lawyer here where I love, who's pretty much like a mediocre JC. He charges up the ass, but he's definitely worth every penny. He recently got a man off of manslaughter. It was pretty crazy.

I never get sick of South Park, but I do get sick of OJ. Not meaning to sidetrack or anything, but I still can't decide as to whether I think he's guilty or not. JC was very intelligent, but he was also a very funny guy from what I've red and heard. He would make very good points, but then confuse the jury and the judge, by switching to talking about something compeltely irrelevant. He was quite a character.

National Lampoon's 'Van Wilder' made fun of OJ, too. When the Law Club helped Van plead his case to the college board. "If the glove doesn't fit, you're all full of sh!t."

Originally Posted by Necroticism

i bet bsn will settle out of court.

to avoid their reputation from being ruined hell yeah. But then agian, this case goes out to EVERYONE who has purchased BSN N.O Explode or Cellmass. Im sure someone else could just whip out another case about it since it was affected by more than just 2 people.