Activate Xtreme vs. Diesel Test Hardcore

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  • Activate Xtreme

    Votes: 79 63.2%
  • Diesel Test Hardcore

    Votes: 46 36.8%

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What do you think? I've read comparable reviews for both, but I havn't personally used either. If you have used one (or both), please do comment on your results.
 
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I think both are good products. I'm gonna give Diesel Test Hardcore a try in my post cycle therapy in a few weeks(i'm gonna keep a log and give my feedback). I used the old Activate and liked it alot! Massfx by Anabolic Xtreme is another option.
 

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The 2 products are like apples and oranges. DTHC is a test / free test booster, has libido, performance, and test mimitech properties, as well as estrogen and cortisol control.

Act Extreme will free Test, help control Estrogen, and has test mimitec properties. Not a bad product at all either, but a more direct comparison would be Act Extreme vs. Trib Test Extreme.
 
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I'm running DTHC (and Lean Xtreme) for PCT right now. Last PCT was Activate Xtreme and X-Lean.

Personally, I'm liking the DTHC a little better. I will be formulating my thoughts on it for a mini-review in the next week or so, once I am closer to 3 weeks in.

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I think activate xt have a more consistent ingredient profile.
Is proven that some of the herbals (like tribulus) in the dthc don't work , it seems to me that is pointless companies put those ingredients in their products.
 
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DTH was the best libido booster Ive ever used, with that said it didnt do a ton for muscle or strength gains.

Havent tried ActX yet.
 
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DTH was the best libido booster Ive ever used, with that said it didnt do a ton for muscle or strength gains.

Havent tried ActX yet.
guess it depends on dosing. dthc didnt do that much for the libido but cut fat and got stronger. great focus and aggression in the gym.
 
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guess it depends on dosing. dthc didnt do that much for the libido but cut fat and got stronger. great focus and aggression in the gym.
I was only doing 3-4 a day, 5 was the most I ever took in one day.

My libido was actually best on the lower dose of 3/day.
 
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I was only doing 3-4 a day, 5 was the most I ever took in one day.

My libido was actually best on the lower dose of 3/day.
thats what most people report. i been married to same woman for 21 years, was'nt that concerned about increased libido,haha. i have used both of the supps in this poll and dthc definately worked best for me.
 
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thats what most people report. i been married to same woman for 21 years, was'nt that concerned about increased libido,haha.
:icon_lol:


Something to look forward too, I guess... :think:
 
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:icon_lol:


Something to look forward too, I guess... :think:
hey, i read your review. seems like you liked the dthc. btw i reacted well to lean extreme too. did you use the 2.0 version or the original? :cheers:
 
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ahhh DTH doesnt contain trib anymore I think?

they took it out.
 
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hey, i read your review. seems like you liked the dthc. btw i reacted well to lean extreme too. did you use the 2.0 version or the original? :cheers:
2.0 version. Good Stuff!
 
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ahhh DTH doesnt contain trib anymore I think?

they took it out.
what the heck are you talking about. better recheck that.
 
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what the heck are you talking about. better recheck that.
open your eyes mate.

Tell me where TRIB is listed..

Btw the HORNY GOAT WEED is 40% now also.


B-6 (Pyridoxine HCL)
3 mg
150%
Zinc (as Monomethionine) 5 mg 34%
Selenium (as L-Selenomethionine) 30 mcg 42%
Copper (Chelated) 250 mcg 13%
Proprietary Blend:
1671 mg **
Gelatinized Maca Root
Epimedium (Horny Goat Weed) (min 20% Icariin)
Nettle Root (Urtica dioica)
Avena Sativa (standardized for Avenacosides A&B)
Lecithin
Di-Indlyl-Methane (DIM)
Panax Ginseng
Rhodiola Rosea
Rosemary
Tongkat Ali (Eurycoma Longifolia Jack)
Dodder Seed
Gynostemma
Cnidium Monnieri
Bioperine
 
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open your eyes mate.

Tell me where TRIB is listed..

Btw the HORNY GOAT WEED is 40% now also.


B-6 (Pyridoxine HCL)
3 mg
150%
Zinc (as Monomethionine) 5 mg 34%
Selenium (as L-Selenomethionine) 30 mcg 42%
Copper (Chelated) 250 mcg 13%
Proprietary Blend:
1671 mg **
Gelatinized Maca Root
Epimedium (Horny Goat Weed) (min 20% Icariin)
Nettle Root (Urtica dioica)
Avena Sativa (standardized for Avenacosides A&B)
Lecithin
Di-Indlyl-Methane (DIM)
Panax Ginseng
Rhodiola Rosea
Rosemary
Tongkat Ali (Eurycoma Longifolia Jack)
Dodder Seed
Gynostemma
Cnidium Monnieri
Bioperine
strange in bb the label of the product still contains tribulus
 
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i got a bottle in front of me now of diesel test hardcore, it says on the label in the propriety blend , 6th ingredient down= bulgarian tribulas (min 20% protodioscin)
im starting om the deisel hardcore 2morow:bruce3:
 
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I think you have old bottles.

Chuck isnt around to confirm either? odd
 
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I think you have old bottles.

Chuck isnt around to confirm either? odd
wow, cant believe chuck would drop the trib. oh well, guess i have to pick up some of the new stuff. good catch, adelv.
 
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ok, chuck's thread lists ingredients for new dthc and bulg trib is listed number 6.
 
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I saw in muscular development magazine that there are studies that prove that tribulus is useless to humans, no increase in LH and as consequence no increase in test ...
 
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i have only used standard Activate so i can't compare them. Activate worked well and i usually got a strength bump from it.

I love DTH all my friends that have tried it do as well. Works awesome for PCT and i did a log on that when it first came out. Actually got stronger during PCT than during the 6 week halodrol cycle.
 

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Think I remember a thread where Chuck stated he dropped the trib so that he could increase other ingredients that are more effective.
 
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I saw in muscular development magazine that there are studies that prove that tribulus is useless to humans, no increase in LH and as consequence no increase in test ...
i am going to go out on a limb and say you have never actually tried dthc, just basing this on theory. i wonder how many people who voted in this poll have tried each of the products. i have and dthc got my vote. btw there is a lot of conflicting reports about trib, quality of trib involved in testing and amount given for dosing. i personally like it, but find it much more effective when combined with aveena sativa.
 
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i am going to go out on a limb and say you have never actually tried dthc, just basing this on theory. i wonder how many people who voted in this poll have tried each of the products. i have and dthc got my vote. btw there is a lot of conflicting reports about trib, quality of trib involved in testing and amount given for dosing. i personally like it, but find it much more effective when combined with aveena sativa.
Point!

Ive used TWIN LABS trib and found NOTHING.. but in an aussie product with trib and avena, I found it gave me an extra 5-10%!

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The 2 products are like apples and oranges. DTHC is a test / free test booster, has libido, performance, and test mimitech properties, as well as estrogen and cortisol control.

Act Extreme will free Test, help control Estrogen, and has test mimitec properties. Not a bad product at all either, but a more direct comparison would be Act Extreme vs. Trib Test Extreme.
thats about 100% true. Except TTE doesnt have an effect on estrogen like AX and DTH is said to have, but AX and TTE are not multi-dem. like DTH.
 

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There are multiple studies showing Tribulus to be worthless. Comparing DTH to ACTX is like comparing Viagra with testosterone cyp. One is great for the sex drive and the other is great for adding muscle and strength.
 
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There are multiple studies showing Tribulus to be worthless. Comparing DTH to ACTX is like comparing Viagra with testosterone cyp. One is great for the sex drive and the other is great for adding muscle and strength.
DTH is an EFFECTIVE test booster that has tribulus in it. We have been over this at bb.com. There is an ENTIRE thread at bb.com that shows individuals with no affiliation to GET DIESEL who used DT and DTH over the years since it came out in 2005 with hormone test results before and after use showing increases in total test, free test, with reductions in cortisol, prolactin and estrodiol.

You can search DIESEL TEST here at AM and see real world results and real world gains. DT just happens to be an effective test booster AND libido booster. Sht, Trib Test Extreme is on the level of ACTX, ACTX isn’t on the level as DTH.

When I see a thread with several people using ACTX and getting hormone test done showing it shows increases in total and free test then make those BS comments.

post cycle therapy the herbal product of choice for getting their HTPA back on track for many people at AM is DTH because it works over and over. Not because GET DIESEL reps pimp it or because they have to stack it with a million other products for results.
 
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There are multiple studies showing Tribulus to be worthless. Comparing DTH to ACTX is like comparing Viagra with testosterone cyp. One is great for the sex drive and the other is great for adding muscle and strength.
Viagra isnt sold for sex drive and has no effect on sex drive......know what your talking about before talking.
 

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There are multiple studies showing Tribulus to be worthless. Comparing DTH to ACTX is like comparing Viagra with testosterone cyp. One is great for the sex drive and the other is great for adding muscle and strength.
Don't take this personal, but your logic and analogies above suck at making a valid point here. Holes and incongruencies abound.

Just because studies exist do not mean they represent the "truth" and final word on the matter. There are many variables, especially where herbs are grown as well as the extraction process, that can influence how "subjects respond. Dosing protocal and the amount dosed in studies also heavily influence the outcome of studies. The people doing the studies and their possible agendas should be considered as well. One could also give interpretations based soley on specific studies that only prove their point. Those who interpret the results to their own liking and then share their interpretations with us on the boards can also influence what is perceived as the "truth" of the matter.

Studies are usefull, but should be taken with a grain of salt at times by comparing study results to real world feedback. Studies along with matching feedback from users would seem to be the ideal way to confirm or deny a company's product claims. I would say that Chuck's products and their results speak for themselves and soundly refute your statements.

Several, including myself, experience very favorable responces to good tribulus products. Even Dinoii over on his forum has begun reinvestigating trib because of possitive feedback from users.

Please don't get stuck trying to debunk someone else's product. Respect the competition and go keep inovating and making good products for us to buy. :)
 
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I don't care if it was the trib or something else, but after several PCT's with Activate Xtreme and one with DTHC, I'm sticking with Chuck's stuff. That sh!t rocks. I wanted to nail just about anything that walked by. Can't really say the same for Activate, perhaps I didn't dose it right, but to call it and trib 'useless' is flat out wrong. Only other trib product that did me that good was BioTest's Alpha Male, which had me feeling good, almost euphoric and horny as hell.

Not saying that DTHC didn't have me feeling 'good', but it was more alpha than great sense of well being from AM.


I used to be a Trib non-believer, but in the right dose, the sh!t plain rocks.
 

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Chuck could you post the full ingredient list of the product here? Ive seen two different labels and have no idea which one is your most current.

The point with tribulus is that there is no real world proof to show that it does anything for test production either. So to say that you cant always believe studies, in this case there isnt any info to show it works. Just saying I feel like having sex with anything that walks by is not real word proof that its a good compound.

Im not saying DTH is a tribulus only product but since it does nothing for test production and you know this, why would you use a useless compound?
 

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dth isn't "bulk tribulus" anyway. DTH is actually a formulation that contains tribulus.....its dumb to say "oh that product in garrbage because tribulus is one of the ingredients in it."
No one said the product was garbage, atleast I didnt.
 

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Don't take this personal, but your logic and analogies above suck at making a valid point here. Holes and incongruencies abound.

Just because studies exist do not mean they represent the "truth" and final word on the matter. There are many variables, especially where herbs are grown as well as the extraction process, that can influence how "subjects respond. Dosing protocal and the amount dosed in studies also heavily influence the outcome of studies. The people doing the studies and their possible agendas should be considered as well. One could also give interpretations based soley on specific studies that only prove their point. Those who interpret the results to their own liking and then share their interpretations with us on the boards can also influence what is perceived as the "truth" of the matter.

Studies are usefull, but should be taken with a grain of salt at times by comparing study results to real world feedback. Studies along with matching feedback from users would seem to be the ideal way to confirm or deny a company's product claims. I would say that Chuck's products and their results speak for themselves and soundly refute your statements.

Several, including myself, experience very favorable responces to good tribulus products. Even Dinoii over on his forum has begun reinvestigating trib because of possitive feedback from users.

Please don't get stuck trying to debunk someone else's product. Respect the competition and go keep inovating and making good products for us to buy. :)
Can you post bloodwork done by anyone just using tribulus alone? That would be excellant real world results to show that the studies are being skewed or that real world results reveal something studies dont.

Chuck's product doesnt refute anything Ive posted because as he has alreadly pointed out his product is not a tribulus only product. You cant claim that his product which gives results is the same thing as taking tribulus alone.

Im not trying to debunk his product at all and I think that companies who innovate should be held in very high regard for their work. What ingredients are being used that are innovative?
 
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Chuck could you post the full ingredient list of the product here? Ive seen two different labels and have no idea which one is your most current.

The point with tribulus is that there is no real world proof to show that it does anything for test production either. So to say that you cant always believe studies, in this case there isnt any info to show it works. Just saying I feel like having sex with anything that walks by is not real word proof that its a good compound.

Im not saying DTH is a tribulus only product but since it does nothing for test production and you know this, why would you use a useless compound?


I just have to say that I agree. Everytime I see a prouduct with trib in it, I just wonder why?. Sure maybe the other ingredients are worthwile but why put something like Trib in it and ruin it?. It just seems like a waste of money for the manufacturer and is just a "filler" product. Why not take that ingredient out and make the product cheaper to produce or put more of some other ingredient. I am just confused why anyone puts it in their product.
 
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I just have to say that I agree. Everytime I see a prouduct with trib in it, I just wonder why?. Sure maybe the other ingredients are worthwile but why put something like Trib in it and ruin it?. It just seems like a waste of money for the manufacturer and is just a "filler" product. Why not take that ingredient out and make the product cheaper to produce or put more of some other ingredient. I am just confused why anyone puts it in their product.
The right extract of tribulus works at the correct dosage in a product that is formulated by someone who knows how to use it in synergy with other products. If you have no knowledge of what makes triblus effective and at what amount, it makes no sense to make a "blanket" statement toward all products that contain tribulus. As Im going to touch on in my next few post.....this thead and the issue is A. xtreme as a herbal test booster and DTH as an herbal test booster. There is no reason for this to be turned into a "I dont like tribulus" thread.
 
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Chuck could you post the full ingredient list of the product here? Ive seen two different labels and have no idea which one is your most current.

The point with tribulus is that there is no real world proof to show that it does anything for test production either. So to say that you cant always believe studies, in this case there isnt any info to show it works. Just saying I feel like having sex with anything that walks by is not real word proof that its a good compound.

Im not saying DTH is a tribulus only product but since it does nothing for test production and you know this, why would you use a useless compound?

You can get the full ingredients at getdiesel.com or nutraplanet.com and post them yourself. Your first post made a comments to the tune of:
"There are multiple studies showing Tribulus to be worthless. Comparing DTH to ACTX is like comparing Viagra with testosterone cyp. One is great for the sex drive and the other is great for adding muscle and strength."
It made no sense......we are not talking about tribulus here.

You are basically trying to set me up for some okee-doke or something saying Tribulus doesnt increase test so why use it" like Im going to be dumb enough to reply with proof on what it does and why its in DTH. So next thing you know there will be a A. xtreme with tribulus. hahaha
 
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Can you post bloodwork done by anyone just using tribulus alone? That would be excellant real world results to show that the studies are being skewed or that real world results reveal something studies dont.

Chuck's product doesnt refute anything Ive posted because as he has alreadly pointed out his product is not a tribulus only product. You cant claim that his product which gives results is the same thing as taking tribulus alone.

Im not trying to debunk his product at all and I think that companies who innovate should be held in very high regard for their work. What ingredients are being used that are innovative?
Why would that be important here (bloodwork on anyone using tribulus alone), esp. with so many grades of Tribulus available. Your talking about "what ingredients are being used that are innovative." You think selling Nettle standardized for an active that you guys didnt discover with some TM name of Davimil or whatever is innovative? You didnt innovate anything, you just ordered some nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran and put it in capsules. Woopy doo. Trib Test Extreme has nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran also.....no big deal.

To innovate is to either making something completely new or put together a mixture of ingredients that creates something innovative...effects wise.....ie DIESEL TEST hardcore and NOS ETHER for example.

You were trying to debunk DTH saying its only good for libido and nothing else.

You want innovative and effective:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com /showthread.php?t=612113

there you go.

A simple search here or at bb.com with the terms "DIESEL TEST Hardcore" will let you know why there is no need for me to go back and forth with this discussion. Like I said DTH is the go to product during PCT and when people want an herbal test booster that works standalone......without reps pimping it all over the boards.
 
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Im not saying Actx doesnt work for freeing up test....it has an ingredient that frees up test (nettle). Im saying it isnt on the level of DTH. There was an entire log where I asked Actx loggers of the summer of 2007 to try DTH and log and compare and guess what....not one of them said they liked Actx better. Yeah only about 3 said they like DTH better and some went neutral but not one said they liked Actx better. I dont see any logs with people's free test damn near doubling on Actx like on DTH. I dont see total test going up and cortisol, prolactin and estrodiol going down on Actx. Yeah it probably works but its not DTH.

Dont try to point out the fact that DTH is effective for libido and contains tribulus to try to take away from its effects on LMM, training intensity, strength, power, recovery, mental focus, endurance, NO enhancement, HTPA recovery, mood elevation.....on and on.

All those people over at bb.com raving over Actx is because they have never used DTH. All those people using Actx over there are using it because as soon as they ask "whats a good test booster" you get about 4-10 post from DS reps telling them to use Actx and I dont even bother most of the time telling them to use DTH. DTH users are telling them 2.
 

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The right extract of tribulus works at the correct dosage in a product that is formulated by someone who knows how to use it in synergy with other products. If you have no knowledge of what makes triblus effective and at what amount, it makes no sense to make a "blanket" statement toward all products that contain tribulus. As Im going to touch on in my next few post.....this thead and the issue is A. xtreme as a herbal test booster and DTH as an herbal test booster. There is no reason for this to be turned into a "I dont like tribulus" thread.
Sense you are familiar with the synergy can you explain these studies?

Short term impact of Tribulus terrestris intake on doping control analysis of endogenous steroids.
Saudan C, Baume N, Emery C, Strahm E, Saugy M.
Swiss Laboratory for Doping Analyses, Institut Universitaire de Médecine Légale, Centre Hospitalier Universitaire Vaudois and University of Lausanne, Chemin des Croisettes 22, 1066 Epalinges, Switzerland.
Tribulus terrestris is a nutritional supplement highly debated regarding its physiological and actual effects on the organism. The main claimed effect is an increase of testosterone anabolic and androgenic action through the activation of endogenous testosterone production. Even if this biological pathway is not entirely proven, T. terrestris is regularly used by athletes. Recently, the analysis of two female urine samples by GC/C/IRMS (gas chromatography/combustion/isotope-ratio-mass-spectrometry) conclusively revealed the administration of exogenous testosterone or its precursors, even if the testosterone glucuronide/epitestosterone glucuronide (T/E) ratio and steroid marker concentrations were below the cut-off values defined by World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). To argue against this adverse analytical finding, the athletes recognized having used T. terrestris in their diet. In order to test this hypothesis, two female volunteers ingested 500mg of T. terrestris, three times a day and for two consecutive days. All spot urines were collected during 48h after the first intake. The (13)C/(12)C ratio of ketosteroids was determined by GC/C/IRMS, the T/E ratio and DHEA concentrations were measured by GC/MS and LH concentrations by radioimmunoassay. None of these parameters revealed a significant variation or increased above the WADA cut-off limits. Hence, the short-term treatment with T. terrestris showed no impact on the endogenous testosterone metabolism of the two subjects.

The effect of five weeks of Tribulus terrestris supplementation on muscle strength and body composition during preseason training in elite rugby league players.
Rogerson S, Riches CJ, Jennings C, Weatherby RP, Meir RA, Marshall-Gradisnik SM.
School of Exercise Science and Sport Management, Southern Cross University Lismore, New South Wales, Australia. [email protected]
Tribulus terrestris is an herbal nutritional supplement that is promoted to produce large gains in strength and lean muscle mass in 5-28 days (15, 18). Although some manufacturers claim T. terrestris will not lead to a positive drug test, others have suggested that T. terrestris may increase the urinary testosterone/epitestosterone (T/E) ratio, which may place athletes at risk of a positive drug test. The purpose of the study was to determine the effect of T. terrestris on strength, fat free mass, and the urinary T/E ratio during 5 weeks of preseason training in elite rugby league players. Twenty-two Australian elite male rugby league players (mean +/- SD; age = 19.8 +/- 2.9 years; weight = 88.0 +/- 9.5 kg) were match-paired and randomly assigned in a double-blind manner to either a T. terrestris (n = 11) or placebo (n = 11) group. All subjects performed structured heavy resistance training as part of the club's preseason preparations. A T. terrestris extract (450 mg.d(-1)) or placebo capsules were consumed once daily for 5 weeks. Muscular strength, body composition, and the urinary T/E ratio were monitored prior to and after supplementation. After 5 weeks of training, strength and fat free mass increased significantly without any between-group differences. No between-group differences were noted in the urinary T/E ratio. It was concluded that T. terrestris did not produce the large gains in strength or lean muscle mass that many manufacturers claim can be experienced within 5-28 days. Furthermore, T. terrestris did not alter the urinary T/E ratio and would not place an athlete at risk of testing positive based on the World Anti-Doping Agency's urinary T/E ratio limit of 4:1.
PMID: 17530942 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

The effects of Tribulus terrestris on body composition and exercise performance in resistance-trained males.
Antonio J, Uelmen J, Rodriguez R, Earnest C.
Human Performance Laboratory, University of Nebraska, Kearney, NE 68849-3101, USA.
The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of the herbal preparation Tribulus terrestris (tribulus) on body composition and exercise performance in resistance-trained males. Fifteen subjects were randomly assigned to a placebo or tribulus (3.21 mg per kg body weight daily) group. Body weight, body composition, maximal strength, dietary intake, and mood states were determined before and after an 8-week exercise (periodized resistance training) and supplementation period. There were no changes in body weight, percentage fat, total body water, dietary intake, or mood states in either group. Muscle endurance (determined by the maximal number of repetitions at 100-200% of body weight) increased for the bench and leg press exercises in the placebo group (p <.05; bench press +/-28.4%, leg press +/-28.6%), while the tribulus group experienced an increase in leg press strength only (bench press +/-3.1%, not significant; leg press +/-28.6%, p <.05). Supplementation with tribulus does not enhance body composition or exercise performance in resistance-trained males.
PMID: 10861339 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.
Neychev VK, Mitev VI.
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria. [email protected]
OBJECTIVE: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10 mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24 h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576 h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75 nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57 nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09 nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126 ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256 ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236 ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.
PMID: 15994038 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

In short, good as an aphrodisiac has no effect in humans for increasing testosterone or any anabolic hormones. Has no effect in humans for increasing strength or muscle mass.
 

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You can get the full ingredients at getdiesel.com or nutraplanet.com and post them yourself. Your first post made a comments to the tune of:


It made no sense......we are not talking about tribulus here.

You are basically trying to set me up for some okee-doke or something saying Tribulus doesnt increase test so why use it" like Im going to be dumb enough to reply with proof on what it does and why its in DTH. So next thing you know there will be a A. xtreme with tribulus. hahaha
Im not comparing ACTX to tribulus. Im comparing ACTXs formula to DTH. I see 90% of the ingredients used in DTH have nothing to do with increasing testosterone or free test. So my comparison is correct. You have a great product for improving sex drive and as an aphrodisiac but it is short on compounds that will increase test and free test.

Tribulus is one of the compounds used in your formula. There are no studies to show it does anything in humans. Im asking for the science you used to put this formula together. You dont want to post it, I will.
 

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Why would that be important here (bloodwork on anyone using tribulus alone), esp. with so many grades of Tribulus available. Your talking about "what ingredients are being used that are innovative." You think selling Nettle standardized for an active that you guys didnt discover with some TM name of Davimil or whatever is innovative? You didnt innovate anything, you just ordered some nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran and put it in capsules. Woopy doo. Trib Test Extreme has nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran also.....no big deal.

To innovate is to either making something completely new or put together a mixture of ingredients that creates something innovative...effects wise.....ie DIESEL TEST hardcore and NOS ETHER for example.

You were trying to debunk DTH saying its only good for libido and nothing else.

You want innovative and effective:

http://forum.body building.com /showthread.php?t=612113

there you go.

A simple search here or at bb.com with the terms "DIESEL TEST Hardcore" will let you know why there is no need for me to go back and forth with this discussion. Like I said DTH is the go to product during PCT and when people want an herbal test booster that works standalone......without reps pimping it all over the boards.
I was the first person to introduce Divanil to the bodybuilding industry. You use it because of the work I did. No one had a high extract of Divanil until I spent the time and money having it developed. You have not released a single innovative compound. You formulate products based on other people work and claim it as your own. There is nothing innovate about the compounds used in DTH or that combination of compounds.

There is no need to go back and forth because you have no information to show why the compounds used in your formula would be good for mimicking test, increasing test or free test beyond the use of long jack.
 
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Why would that be important here (bloodwork on anyone using tribulus alone), esp. with so many grades of Tribulus available. Your talking about "what ingredients are being used that are innovative." You think selling Nettle standardized for an active that you guys didnt discover with some TM name of Davimil or whatever is innovative? You didnt innovate anything, you just ordered some nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran and put it in capsules. Woopy doo. Trib Test Extreme has nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran also.....no big deal.
Not to be a dlck chuck. But to tell designer they are not innovative for coming out with 3,4Div is just down right fvcking retarded. That compound was a market breaker, nothing like it was out at the time, now it is in everything. Then to tout your product as the "Innovative" one, when this board has been mixing those compounds for years, I dont understand the logic.

DS has been here bringing true innovation to the industry. Alot of research and development goes with DS, and if you look at their track record, they dont act as followers, but leaders.

Im not saying your product works better or less than DS, but to say they arent innovators is just plain and simple wrong.

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Im not saying Actx doesnt work for freeing up test....it has an ingredient that frees up test (nettle). Im saying it isnt on the level of DTH. There was an entire log where I asked Actx loggers of the summer of 2007 to try DTH and log and compare and guess what....not one of them said they liked Actx better. Yeah only about 3 said they like DTH better and some went neutral but not one said they liked Actx better. I dont see any logs with people's free test damn near doubling on Actx like on DTH. I dont see total test going up and cortisol, prolactin and estrodiol going down on Actx. Yeah it probably works but its not DTH.

Dont try to point out the fact that DTH is effective for libido and contains tribulus to try to take away from its effects on LMM, training intensity, strength, power, recovery, mental focus, endurance, NO enhancement, HTPA recovery, mood elevation.....on and on.

All those people over at bb.com raving over Actx is because they have never used DTH. All those people using Actx over there are using it because as soon as they ask "whats a good test booster" you get about 4-10 post from DS reps telling them to use Actx and I dont even bother most of the time telling them to use DTH. DTH users are telling them 2.
There is blood work to show the above. Its very effective for PCT (actual blood work from Riseboi when surpressed coming off a JW cycle). They all rave about ACTX because its THE BEST!

Youve got a great product for sexual performance, aphrodisiac and improving sperm count. It will definitely have an effect on testosterone because of LongJack. But there is NO science to support the use of specific compounds used in your formula for the purpose of increasing testosterone, free test or muscle mass.
 

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Why would that be important here (bloodwork on anyone using tribulus alone), esp. with so many grades of Tribulus available. Your talking about "what ingredients are being used that are innovative." You think selling Nettle standardized for an active that you guys didnt discover with some TM name of Davimil or whatever is innovative? You didnt innovate anything, you just ordered some nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran and put it in capsules. Woopy doo. Trib Test Extreme has nettle standardized for 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran also.....no big deal.

To innovate is to either making something completely new or put together a mixture of ingredients that creates something innovative...effects wise.....ie DIESEL TEST hardcore and NOS ETHER for example.

You were trying to debunk DTH saying its only good for libido and nothing else.

You want innovative and effective:

http://forum.body building.com /showthread.php?t=612113

there you go.

A simple search here or at bb.com with the terms "DIESEL TEST Hardcore" will let you know why there is no need for me to go back and forth with this discussion. Like I said DTH is the go to product during PCT and when people want an herbal test booster that works standalone......without reps pimping it all over the boards.
By the way that link doesnt work.
 

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