Weird side effect with aPCT+IGF-2 stack
- 11-07-2007, 03:49 PM
Weird side effect with aPCT+IGF-2 stack
Ok, I've been on a PCT stack of aPCT ++ (pre-w/o only) for about a month now.
I'm 34 years old, but I've never had any issues with libido unless I'm using an AI. With that said, I'm currently not having any issues at all with my current PCT stack, on the contrary I'm probably more horny than usual. The issue is my refractory period after orgasm. I've never had any issues before, with refractory period usually being a couple of minutes at the longest before initiating sex again. Since taking these supps my refractory period seems to have increased substantially. I mean I'm just about one and done now. Just wondering if anyone has any idea if their's anything in the supps that could be causing this.
Thanks for any input
- 11-07-2007, 04:02 PM
Could be age - could be a prostate issue - or just mental.
I do not think that the supplements that you are taking could have anything to do with the "delay" to get back in the game. Seeing how I have had some awesome libido occurance while taking the exact same stack, I'm going to venture to say give it some time and maybe even check your diet (which can cause all kinds of crazy things to happen in the body). Also, without getting in to too much detail, groin stretching between "sex sets", if you will, can help with the refractory period because of added blood flow.
Regardless, good luck to you bro!
- 11-07-2007, 04:05 PM
yeah, thats the wierd thing, my libido is on high with the stack. So not sure why the issue with refractory period. But you could be correct, it could be diet as I'm consuming about 500-1000 calories more on PCT.
11-07-2007, 04:08 PM
I suggest waiting until you have been off of your PCT for a few weeks and getting your cals back to normal before worrying to much.
11-07-2007, 04:31 PM
11-07-2007, 04:42 PM
high amounts of overall stims besides just the rpm?
11-07-2007, 04:46 PM
11-07-2007, 05:10 PM
Maybe it's something with Prolactin levels? They DO have somthing to do with refractory period after orgasm. From what I gather doesn't HGH do something with these....IGF-2 being something that stimulates GH production?
When I was doing Cabergolin last year after M1T (prolactin issues)refractory period was a mere second.
11-07-2007, 05:13 PM
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11-07-2007, 05:54 PM
34 imo isnt that old, but as you get older it takes longer to recover from a cycle. i think us older guys benefit from ph's as much or more than the younger guys, but it takes us longer to bounce back.
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11-10-2007, 02:37 AM
Man, all I want is one refractory period, thats enough for me. Pump 'em once then roll over and go to bed...a perfect night.
11-10-2007, 11:24 AM
Distilled Water was actually on the right track. Orgasm itself triggers dramatic secretion of prolactin. Prolactin is a dopamine suppressor. The higher the prolactin secreted, the lower dopamine levels get, and the longer the refractory period. In general, the older we get, the longer the refractory period.
Icariin (in RPM) and mucuna pruriens (L-Dopa) (in IGF-2) are two potent prolactin inhibitors. Besides, rhodiola, and dodder seed, are powerful cAMP boosters, and icariin, naringin, and OPC, are potent cGMP boosters. These prolactin and PDE-5 ihibitors, and cAMP and cGMP boosters, all work in synergy to ensure quality of erection. Dodder and some other agents enhance your lasting power. But once orgasm is achieved, greater-than-normal quantities of prolactin must be released to overwhelm the combined impact of those potent prolactin-inhibiting agents. Without those agents, a lesser quantity of prolactin would have to be released to overwhelm normal cellular concentrations of prolactin-inhibitors.
To summarize, there are several explanatory factors for the duration of the refractory period. Assuming this is not age-related, and cannot be traced to other factors, other than RPM and IGF-2, then I would say that because the potent compounds in RPM and IGF-2 ensure cGMP/cAMP-boosting, PDE-5 and prolactin-inhibition, substantially more-than-normal prolactin would need to be released at orgasm to be able to overwhelm the effects of the compounds in IGF-2/RPM. The heightened prolactin secretion would take longer than usual to neutralise, leading to a longer refractory period. My two cents!
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11-14-2007, 10:36 PM
I think Strategic is in Rep Tryouts, definetly gonna get signed on by someone soon! He's a great prospect!
11-15-2007, 05:48 PM
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11-16-2007, 12:58 PM
Ive been one and done for about the last 5 years.
You are doing really well for 34 years old.
Even when on Cialis I need 30 minutes to get going again.
11-16-2007, 01:49 PM
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