Biotest at work on next-gen supplement.

[dhuge67]

Many of us here know of Biotest, the company behind T-Nation and a host of supplements. They have a reputation as an elitist outfit, that is known for hyping run of the mill type products, and are defended by a cult fan base. However, some of their products have been very profound and paradigm changing within the supplement industry, even though critics might argue differently.

In a post on the site, which is a thread that asks T-Nation readers what they want from Biotest, a post by a member and a reply by TC (editor and chief at T-Nation) tells the story.

(Hopefully you all know what Mag-10 was)

TC
Editor-in-Chief
Join date: May 1998
Posts: 3776

blueknight wrote:

As for improvements? Well develop a product like MAG-10...legitimately of course.

Cross your fingers (we're working on it).

Sounds pretty interesting and apparently they are also working on a next-gen Greens supplement more suited for bodybuilding than the general population (like Greens+ is geared towards).

[xjsynx]

Wonder if this is the Anaconda that Tim has been working for the past few years?????

[drewh10987]

Interesting. I'm not a big fan of T-Nation, but I will interested in seeing if they really do come through with something.

[xjsynx]

I think they are too bust coming up with new Surge flavors.

I don't think I will ever try the other flavors. I will stick to my original flavor.

[xjsynx]

Interesting. I'm not a big fan of T-Nation, but I will interested in seeing if they really do come through with something.

Well this is about Biotest and their products. As far as T-nation, I lost love for it. And ironically I am sporting a Biotest T...

[dhuge67]

I think they are too bust coming up with new Surge flavors.

I don't think I will ever try the other flavors. I will stick to my original flavor.

Haha.

Apparently the chocolate is good. I hated the new Vanilla. The tried and true original is the best. However, I am not eating carbs and won't be for the next 12 days, but it's nice to dream...

[drewh10987]

Well this is about Biotest and their products. As far as T-nation, I lost love for it. And ironically I am sporting a Biotest T...

Your right. My mistake. I got confused. I've never used any Biotest products, but I know about Mag-10.

[wideguy]

You have a biotest T on you for life (unless you get laser surgery) but don't love the Nation?

Bro I don't know how old your are and I also don't know much crap other members who disagree are going to give me for saying this but, that magazine gives more free SOLID training, diet, supplement, P.E.D and even life information then just about any other source I've ever come across. Yeah they talk highly of there products but that's anyone's right and IMO not a big deal when the fact is that most of what they do is helpful whether its brining well researched and good products to the market or the mind boggling amount of free info they give you wich is probably worth more then any supplement.

[xjsynx]

Sure there is great info. I still read the aricles daily, but I speak about the forums and the heavy moderation that goes on at t-nation.

I've been supporting t-nation since '98, but find contributing to the site has lost it's flare.

[dhuge67]

Sure there is great info. I still read the aricles daily, but I speak about the forums and the heavy moderation that goes on at t-nation.

I've been supporting t-nation since '98, but find contributing to the site has lost it's flare.

I do agree with that; contributing there is a total crap shoot. I do buy their protein powder (Low-Carb Metabolic Drive) and Carbolin-19, and sometimes get Hot-Rox and Flameout. Besides that, most of the other stuff they sell can be had (IMO) at lower prices or at equal or greater quality.

[Vitruvian]

I do agree with that; contributing there is a total crap shoot. I do buy their protein powder (Low-Carb Metabolic Drive) and Carbolin-19, and sometimes get Hot-Rox and Flameout. Besides that, most of the other stuff they sell can be had (IMO) at lower prices or at equal or greater quality.

Any chemists wanna decipher Carbolin 19? I believe it's forskolin.

[Travis]

Their products are way over hyped imho. I remember all the hype before res v came out.

I do like some of the writers. EC is a stand up guy who use to post on ruggedmag.com. I miss that forum...

[dhuge67]

Any chemists wanna decipher Carbolin 19? I believe it's forskolin.

You're correct that it is, but the quality and amount of the extract cannot be overlooked.

[dhuge67]

Their products are way over hyped imho. I remember all the hype before res v came out.

I do like some of the writers. EC is a stand up guy who use to post on ruggedmag.com. I miss that forum...

Rez-V is a nice supplement, but it is way OVERPRICED. I don't mind the hype so much, but I do mind ridiculous pricing.

Another rough thing with them is that they don't resell certain items, like their protein powders, flameout, or Surge. Very annoying to have to pay ridiculous shipping fees ($15 sometimes) for already expensive orders.

[slow-mun]

Bill Roberts is the man IMHO. I'd actually welcome seeing him make a reappearance outside of his own board. There used to be some epic battles between him, PA, and WL.

[Mixelflick]

Their hormonals/pro-hormones were quality products but way overpriced: Mag-10 and 4-ad-ec/androsol.

Their non-hormonals never panned out: Myostat, Methoxy-7, Carbolin-19.

I hope Anaconda hits the mark, but they're taking a looong time with it.

[RenegadeRows]

Sh*t, there's already a next gen pro hormone out, it's called Epistane!

[xjsynx]

Their products are way over hyped imho. I remember all the hype before res v came out.

I do like some of the writers. EC is a stand up guy who use to post on ruggedmag.com. I miss that forum...

And look everybody is coming out with a Res product now.

[slow-mun]

And look everybody is coming out with a Res product now.

I agree, say what you want about Bio-Test, but they have always been at the forefront of the industry.

[xjsynx]

Any chemists wanna decipher Carbolin 19? I believe it's forskolin.

Yes

The actual chemical name is colforsin 1,9-ethylcarbonate. Carbolin 19 is a carbonate ester of a naturally occurring diterpene called colforsin (aka, forskolin). Don't even begin to confuse this material with an herbal extract of Coleus forskohlii! We're using a carbonate ester of pure colforsin, which means it's a highly pure, single compound.

We spent the last year extracting and purifying colforsin to pharmaceutical-grade standards and further refining it into a carbonate ester. This reaction extended the duration of action from four hours to 12 hours. The carbonate gave us an increase in bioavailability as well, but it wasn't enough. So, we incorporated the compound into our Nano-Dispersed Gel, which improved bioavailability to the point of being drug-like.