Biotest at work on next-gen supplement.
- 08-07-2007, 05:14 PM
Biotest at work on next-gen supplement.
Many of us here know of Biotest, the company behind T-Nation and a host of supplements. They have a reputation as an elitist outfit, that is known for hyping run of the mill type products, and are defended by a cult fan base. However, some of their products have been very profound and paradigm changing within the supplement industry, even though critics might argue differently.
In a post on the site, which is a thread that asks T-Nation readers what they want from Biotest, a post by a member and a reply by TC (editor and chief at T-Nation) tells the story.
(Hopefully you all know what Mag-10 was)
Join date: May 1998
As for improvements? Well develop a product like MAG-10...legitimately of course.
Cross your fingers (we're working on it).
Sounds pretty interesting and apparently they are also working on a next-gen Greens supplement more suited for bodybuilding than the general population (like Greens+ is geared towards).
- 08-07-2007, 05:31 PM
Wonder if this is the Anaconda that Tim has been working for the past few years?????
- 08-07-2007, 05:32 PM
Interesting. I'm not a big fan of T-Nation, but I will interested in seeing if they really do come through with something.
08-07-2007, 05:32 PM
I think they are too bust coming up with new Surge flavors.
I don't think I will ever try the other flavors. I will stick to my original flavor.
08-07-2007, 05:34 PM
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08-07-2007, 06:12 PM
You have a biotest T on you for life (unless you get laser surgery) but don't love the Nation?
Bro I don't know how old your are and I also don't know much crap other members who disagree are going to give me for saying this but, that magazine gives more free SOLID training, diet, supplement, P.E.D and even life information then just about any other source I've ever come across. Yeah they talk highly of there products but that's anyone's right and IMO not a big deal when the fact is that most of what they do is helpful whether its brining well researched and good products to the market or the mind boggling amount of free info they give you wich is probably worth more then any supplement.
08-07-2007, 06:19 PM
Sure there is great info. I still read the aricles daily, but I speak about the forums and the heavy moderation that goes on at t-nation.
I've been supporting t-nation since '98, but find contributing to the site has lost it's flare.
08-07-2007, 07:29 PM
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08-07-2007, 09:23 PM
Their products are way over hyped imho. I remember all the hype before res v came out.
I do like some of the writers. EC is a stand up guy who use to post on ruggedmag.com. I miss that forum...
08-07-2007, 11:19 PM
08-07-2007, 11:20 PM
Another rough thing with them is that they don't resell certain items, like their protein powders, flameout, or Surge. Very annoying to have to pay ridiculous shipping fees ($15 sometimes) for already expensive orders.
08-07-2007, 11:21 PM
Bill Roberts is the man IMHO. I'd actually welcome seeing him make a reappearance outside of his own board. There used to be some epic battles between him, PA, and WL.
08-08-2007, 04:20 AM
Their hormonals/pro-hormones were quality products but way overpriced: Mag-10 and 4-ad-ec/androsol.
Their non-hormonals never panned out: Myostat, Methoxy-7, Carbolin-19.
I hope Anaconda hits the mark, but they're taking a looong time with it.
08-08-2007, 04:52 AM
Sh*t, there's already a next gen pro hormone out, it's called Epistane!
08-08-2007, 09:28 AM
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08-08-2007, 09:31 AM
The actual chemical name is colforsin 1,9-ethylcarbonate. Carbolin 19 is a carbonate ester of a naturally occurring diterpene called colforsin (aka, forskolin). Don't even begin to confuse this material with an herbal extract of Coleus forskohlii! We're using a carbonate ester of pure colforsin, which means it's a highly pure, single compound.
We spent the last year extracting and purifying colforsin to pharmaceutical-grade standards and further refining it into a carbonate ester. This reaction extended the duration of action from four hours to 12 hours. The carbonate gave us an increase in bioavailability as well, but it wasn't enough. So, we incorporated the compound into our Nano-Dispersed Gel, which improved bioavailability to the point of being drug-like.
08-08-2007, 09:44 AM
08-08-2007, 10:39 AM
Not wise to use the term "drug-like" in relation to your supplements.
08-08-2007, 11:10 AM
08-08-2007, 11:43 AM
Why do people slam Carbolin-19? It's the one pill supplement that I take at all times, besides a multi-vitamin. It works.
08-08-2007, 11:45 AM
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08-08-2007, 03:05 PM
Am I correct that Biotest attaches EC's onto everything they produc e? LOL..... is it truly that much more effective? No one else seems to be going that route. Is it costly perhaps?
^ Serious question.
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08-08-2007, 03:06 PM
He and all of the prohormone heavyweights used to get into about hormonal structures, bioavailability, and their competitor's product vs. their own. Now that I think about it, things haven't changed, except that he isn't part of the current bickering.
08-08-2007, 03:13 PM
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08-08-2007, 04:24 PM
Biotest reminds me of how Apple is perceived by some of the PC world; innovative companies that catch a lot of $hit because they do things differently, are loud about it, and both have huge fan bases. (Oddly enough, I love both Apple and Biotest lol)
08-08-2007, 04:32 PM
Nice anaology. You forgot to add, and think they are better than everybody else
I dig Biotest's products, but only iPods. Man, at school you would think Mac users were a gang...
08-08-2007, 05:35 PM
I will only comment on their products I used but these are brief impressions:
Grow - protein, cant really go wrong there
Surge - again cant really go wrong
Alpha Male - Used this along time ago....all it gave me is itchy nips. Which was weird since it was a trib product. Havent used trib since.
M - some hardening
I still appreciate the articles on the site. I check in about once a week. Rarely visit the forums. Being able to ask the writers questions is really cool.
08-15-2009, 10:07 PM
I so miss md6 and Ribose-C and I do enjoy powerdrive.
08-15-2009, 10:16 PM
10-13-2009, 12:15 PM
Are you people insane? This is a company that claimed they came up with a supplement that knocked out the myostatin gene. It's funny they don't sell that any more. They are charging 80.oo for anaconda which they claim they aren't making any money on. The results they say you will get are ridiculous. You can put 30lbs in 6 weeks if you fork over your pay check to them and follow the training routine? In other words they came up with a supplement that works just as good if not better than steroids. I urge you to consider another possibility; they took steroids and gained 30lb and are lying. Oh and they are also are STEALING YOUR MONEY!!!!!!!!!!
10-13-2009, 12:40 PM
i have nothing against biotest
I used spike and wow did that stuff work. TONS AND TONS of energy for all night cram sessions.
Used a couple of their staples: surge, flameout, powerdrive and their creatine. No complaints except after taking surge post-lift i would be falling asleep. But that could be in-part due to i started lifting with these 2 beasts and had too much pride to not keep up.
I would buy more of their stuff if it wasnt so dang expensive.
Yeah their claims are a bit extreme at times but i didnt buy into what they said their products would do. I look at the ingrediens and see if its something worth trying. If I had mad green i would get a couple of their staples, nothing too crazy.
10-13-2009, 01:13 PM
They bring some really good articles about training and diet to readers for free so they get a little bit of a pass, however their newest Anaconda is making claims that steroids don't make, claiming better than steroids and just losing all credibility in doing so.
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