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Title: The use of a Cissus quadrangularis formulation in the management of weight loss and metabolic syndrome.
Author: Oben J , Kuate D , Agbor G , Momo C , Talla X
Source: Lipids Health Dis, 5(): 24 2006
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Abstract: AIM: Once considered a problem of developed countries, obesity and obesity-related complications (such as metabolic syndrome) are rapidly spreading around the globe. The purpose of the present study was to investigate the use of a Cissus quadrangularis formulation in the management of metabolic syndrome, particularly weight loss and central obesity. METHODS: The study was a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled design involving 123 overweight and obese persons (47.2% male; 52.8% female; ages 19-50). The 92 obese (BMI >30) participants were randomized into three groups; placebo, formulation/no diet, and formulation/diet (2100-2200 calories/day). The 31 overweight participants (BMI = 25-29) formed a fourth (no diet) treatment group. All participants received two daily doses of the formulation or placebo and remained on a normal or calorie-controlled diet for 8 weeks. RESULTS: At the end of the trial period, statistically significant net reductions in weight and central obesity, as well as in fasting blood glucose, total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, triglycerides, and C-reactive protein were observed in participants who received the formulation, regardless of diet. CONCLUSION: Cissus quadrangularis formulation appears to be useful in the management of weight loss and metabolic syndrome.
Language: eng
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MajorMeSH Heading: Diet, Reducing
MinorMeSH Heading Adult, Anti-Obesity Agents, Blood Glucose, Body Mass Index, Body Weight, Cholesterol, Cholesterol, HDL, Cholesterol, LDL, Cissus, Diarrhea, Double-Blind Method, Female, Headache, Humans, Male, Metabolic Syndrome X, Middle Aged, Obesity, Overweight, Plant Extracts, Prospective Studies, Treatment Outcome, Triglycerides, Weight Loss,


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ISSN: 1476511X
Country of Publication: England


heres another(noting it decreases fatloss,improves health and lipid profile , cardiovasuclar function and builds muscle mass. one nice combo.

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Title: The effect of Cissus quadrangularis (CQR-300) and a Cissus formulation (CORE) on obesity and obesity-induced oxidative stress.
Author: Oben JE , Enyegue DM , Fomekong GI , Soukontoua YB , Agbor GA
Source: Lipids Health Dis, 6(): 4 2007
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Abstract: AIM: Obesity is generally linked to complications in lipid metabolism and oxidative stress. The aim of this study was to compare the effect of a proprietary extract of Cissus quadrangularis (CQR-300) to that of a proprietary formulation containing CQR-300 (CORE) on weight, blood lipids, and oxidative stress in overweight and obese people. METHODS: The first part of the study investigated the in vitro antioxidant properties of CQR-300 and CORE using 3 different methods, while the second part of the study was a double-blind placebo controlled design, involving initially 168 overweight and obese persons (38.7% males; 61.3% females; ages 19-54), of whom 153 completed the study. All participants received two daily doses of CQR-300, CORE, or placebo and were encouraged to maintain their normal levels of physical activity. Anthropometric measurements and blood sampling were done at the beginning and end of the study period. RESULTS: CQR-300 as well as CORE exhibited antioxidant properties in vitro. They also acted as in vivo antioxidants, bringing about significant (p < 0.001) reductions in plasma TBARS and carbonyls. Both CQR-300 and CORE also brought about significant reductions in weight, body fat, total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, triglycerides, and fasting blood glucose levels over the respective study periods. These changes were accompanied by a significant increase in HDL-cholesterol levels, plasma 5-HT, and creatinine. CONCLUSION: CQR-300 (300 mg daily) and CORE (1028 mg daily) brought about significant reductions in weight and blood glucose levels, while decreasing serum lipids thus improving cardiovascular risk factors. The increase in plasma 5-HT and creatinine for both groups hypothesizes a mechanism of controlling appetite and promoting the increase of lean muscle mass by Cissus quadrangularis, thereby supporting the clinical data for weight loss and improving cardiovascular health.
Language: eng
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MajorMeSH Heading: Cissus
MinorMeSH Heading Adult, Anti-Obesity Agents, Antioxidants, Body Weight, Double-Blind Method, Female, Flavonoids, Humans, Male, Middle Aged, Obesity, Overweight, Oxidative Stress, Phenols, Placebos, Plant Extracts, Reference Values,


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Publication Type: Controlled Clinical Trial
ISSN: 1476511X
Country of Publication: England


Google it on pubmed there are many studies on Cissus
 

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these were sponsored by Iovate (i.e. muscletech/six star) if i recall correctly
 
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How do you find good relative stuff on pubmed? Can someone give me a description of how to?

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How do you find good relative stuff on pubmed? Can someone give me a description of how to?

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All I've done was search and see if you can find something relevant. I don't think there's another way... Maybe there is??
 
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no just find the word your looking for search and look for the result your looking for. The results speak for themselvs on Pubmed back by exclusive research and studies, unlike most of the companies are willing to provide claiming there product does x.
 
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So Smeaton give me a run down you just put in "cissus" and boom you got those results or what? What categories did you search?
 

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no just find the word your looking for search and look for the result your looking for. The results speak for themselvs on Pubmed back by exclusive research and studies, unlike most of the companies are willing to provide claiming there product does x.
You can't get anything really from an abstract, you can't see study design, actual results, conclusion, etc. Abstract conclusions are not always in line with the full text's, and I believe this is because abstracts are not always (maybe rarely or never?) written by the authors themselves. Study results may be manipulated but still make it to the medline database, etc.

Ironically it is often the misquotation of abstracts by those who haven't examined the full text and relating data that spreads incorrect info on an ingredient, not a company.
 
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Latest Research: New insights into accelerating muscle growth Part-1

by Paul Cribb, B.H.Sci HMS
AST Director of Research

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Ok? Everything in life is like that, there are those with intelligence and ethics and those who simply scam to get rich. AST is obviously of the former.

Just saying, careful of abstracts thats all. It took awhile to realize this myself, so i'm trying to save you some time if you haven't so you can keep it in the back of your mind when reading. The fact is, most studies should be considered "wrong," (conflictive is a better word) because of study design, measurement, bias, mistakes, etc. There are even studies on this, lol.

I didn't mean to discourage discussion of them by any means, it is a skill that everyone should be taught in middle/high school, the world would be so much better off. Scumbags would never prosper if everyone took a little time to look for themselves.

Always be skeptical, anyone who reads/posts in this forum obviously has that mindset already.
 
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You can't get anything really from an abstract, you can't see study design, actual results, conclusion, etc. Abstract conclusions are not always in line with the full text's, and I believe this is because abstracts are not always (maybe rarely or never?) written by the authors themselves. Study results may be manipulated but still make it to the medline database, etc.

Ironically it is often the misquotation of abstracts by those who haven't examined the full text and relating data that spreads incorrect info on an ingredient, not a company.
That's good info to know! I never knew that's the way abstracts work, so I'm glad you brought this up.
 

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That stuff is great on my joints/tendons but it seems to give me limp c0ck.
 
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So Smeaton give me a run down you just put in "cissus" and boom you got those results or what? What categories did you search?
Unless the search functions have improved over the last year or two, searching Pubmed to find exactly what you are looking for is a miserable headache.

You're better off going to a local University that has independent search software for it's medical journals.

I go to the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center library about once per year. Give it a good solid day or 2 and about 20-50 bucks for copies. I think this year's research day is gonna have to be on AI's since I'm new to the hormonal/post cycle therapy realm.

Edit: forgot to mention... nice post Smeton!
 
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Ok? Everything in life is like that, there are those with intelligence and ethics and those who simply scam to get rich. AST is obviously of the former.

Just saying, careful of abstracts thats all. It took awhile to realize this myself, so i'm trying to save you some time if you haven't so you can keep it in the back of your mind when reading. The fact is, most studies should be considered "wrong," (conflictive is a better word) because of study design, measurement, bias, mistakes, etc. There are even studies on this, lol.

I didn't mean to discourage discussion of them by any means, it is a skill that everyone should be taught in middle/high school, the world would be so much better off. Scumbags would never prosper if everyone took a little time to look for themselves.

Always be skeptical, anyone who reads/posts in this forum obviously has that mindset already.
Also most pubmed "studies" do not have enough subjects to even be significantly significant. Pubmed is good but if a study does not have at least 50 subjects it is not worth much in scientific terms.
 
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:think: that's the first I've heard of that one...
I've seen some old posts that discussed cissus before it became popular. Speculation was that it had some potentially estrogenic properties, hence why it's so nice to our joints.

I've also seen a handful of cases where people sort of blamed cissus for libido issues or gyno. After further questioning by the board members regarding those cases, an obvious culprit other than cissus usually turns out to be the cause of the problems.

I've been taking a moderate dose of several different brands of cissus (bulk, usp, primaforce) for the past 3-4 months and have had zero negative effects.

To be fair, I have not seen any posts that "debunk" the estrogenic speculation either.
 

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:think: that's the first I've heard of that one...
Ibuprofin does the same thing to me - I think Cissus may have an anti-inflammatory effect.

Im 36 and even the slightest thing can effect my member, and Im pretty big down there which I think makes it more difficult to get super hard.

Unless you are borderline ED like I am I doubt it will affect you in this way.
 
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I think Cissus may have an anti-inflammatory effect.
This has also been suggested to me in ragards to taking cissus on cycle. Someone recommended NOT taking cissus while on cycle because it's anti-inflammatory effects could reduce pumps. Who knows? Pumps are still good for me... but you are correct that individual circumstances could cause each of us to respond differently.
 
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Any research which demonstrates scientific evidence of the healing properties of Cissus on Tendons, which has been claimed. I have seen info. on healing of bone however unable to find anything on healing of Tendons. Am currently taking it for this and it seems to have a pain relieving effect at times, however I don't know about healing. I have admittedly only been taking Super Cissus RX for 13 days, 4 caps/ day. I have read logs where others have had positive experiences but no scientific info. Anyone?
 
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Any research which demonstrates scientific evidence of the healing properties of Cissus on Tendons, which has been claimed. I have seen info. on healing of bone however unable to find anything on healing of Tendons. Am currently taking it for this and it seems to have a pain relieving effect at times, however I don't know about healing. I have admittedly only been taking Super Cissus RX for 13 days, 4 caps/ day. I have read logs where others have had positive experiences but no scientific info. Anyone?
bump. id like to know as well. sometimes i even feel like cissus makes tendons and joints worse. :think:
 
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I don't think there is any research on cissus' effects on ligaments/tendons. It is all on bone healing.


The tendon thing came after feedback from USP cissusRX users, and has spread from there AFAIK.
 
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I havnt SEEN the research n bone healing. All ive seen is the research that it builds muscle, decreases fat. and healthy for your body
 
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When you say you haven't seen one, do you mean you haven't read a full study, or do you mean you haven't seen even an abstract?


Chopra SS, Patel MR, Awadhiya RP.
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No Abstract Studies of Cissus quadrangularis in experimental fracture repair : a histopathological study.
Indian J Med Res. 1976 Sep;64(9):1365-8. No abstract available.
PMID: 1010630 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Chopra SS, Patel MR, Gupta LP, Datta IC.
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No Abstract Studies on Cissus quadrangularis in experimental fracture repair: effect on chemical parameters in blood.
Indian J Med Res. 1975 Jun;63(6):824-8. No abstract available.
PMID: 1213779 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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UDUPA KN, PRASAD G.
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No Abstract BIOMECHANICAL AND CALCIUM-45 STUDIES ON THE EFFECT OF CISSUS QUADRANGULARIS IN FRACTURE REPAIR.
Indian J Med Res. 1964 May;52:480-7. No abstract available.
PMID: 14175605 [PubMed - OLDMEDLINE]
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DAS PK, SANYAL AK.
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No Abstract STUDIES ON CISSUS QUADRANGULARIS LINN. I. ACETYLCHOLINE LIKE ACTION OF THE TOTAL EXTRACT.
Indian J Med Res. 1964 Jan;52:63-7. No abstract available.
PMID: 14112165 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
51:
UDUPA KN, PRASAD GC.
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No Abstract FURTHER STUDIES ON THE EFFECT OF CISSUS QUADRANGULARIS IN ACCELERATING FRACTURE HEALING.
Indian J Med Res. 1964 Jan;52:26-35. No abstract available.
PMID: 14112159 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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PRASAD GC, UDUPA KN.
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No Abstract EFFECT OF CISSUS QUADRANGULARIS ON THE HEALING OF CORTISONE TREATED FRACTURES.
Indian J Med Res. 1963 Jul;51:667-76. No abstract available.
PMID: 14073618 [PubMed - OLDMEDLINE]
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SINGH LM, UDUPA KN.
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No Abstract Studies on "Cissus Quadrangularis" in fracture by using phosphorus 32. III.
Indian J Med Sci. 1962 Nov;16:926-31. No abstract available.
PMID: 13977656 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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UDUPA KN, PRASAD GC.
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No Abstract Cissus quadrangularis in healing of fractures. A clinical study.
J Indian Med Assoc. 1962 Jun 1;38:590-3. No abstract available.
PMID: 13923449 [PubMed - OLDMEDLINE]
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UDUPA KN, ARNIKAR HJ, SINGH LM.
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No Abstract Experimental studies of the use of 'cissus quadrangularis' in healing of fractures. II.
Indian J Med Sci. 1961 Jul;15:551-7. No abstract available.
PMID: 13778943 [PubMed - OLDMEDLINE]


there are a lot on bone healing. I even found one study on fracture healing in dogs, and started one of my dogs on it.
 
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That's a bummer cause I am using it to heal tendons, tendointis in l. elbow and tendonitis in r. forearm and am getting discouraged. I admittedly am getting pretty frustrated as I have been out of the gym around 6-7 weeks now and have tried Cissus, Fish Oils, Glucosamine etc. ART, blah, blah, blah the list goes on.:whiner: I am leaning now towards Oratropin and HGHt as my next choice. Anyway, sorry to ramble. It would be nice if something is advertised as having benefits there was some research to back it though. Thanks for everyones input.
 
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That's a bummer cause I am using it to heal tendons, tendointis in l. elbow and tendonitis in r. forearm and am getting discouraged. I admittedly am getting pretty frustrated as I have been out of the gym around 6-7 weeks now and have tried Cissus, Fish Oils, Glucosamine etc. ART, blah, blah, blah the list goes on.:whiner: I am leaning now towards Oratropin and HGHt as my next choice. Anyway, sorry to ramble. It would be nice if something is advertised as having benefits there was some research to back it though. Thanks for everyones input.
What product? What dose? How long did you have the injury or build up to the injury? How long have you been on Cissus?

Details are what's needed. From what I read there is alot of Broscience backing this thing :D but if it works, it works!

Much Love,

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That's a bummer cause I am using it to heal tendons, tendointis in l. elbow and tendonitis in r. forearm and am getting discouraged.
Try stretching after warming up before working out, hot baths following your workout followed by another stretch, and then ice and ibuprofin only if the tendon feels itchy/hot.

That regimen cleared up a bad case of biceps tendinitis for me and it hasnt returned.

If you dont warm up or stretch - start now.
 
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I had hip surgery, involving bone, about 10 weeks ago and 5 days after surgery, I started taking bulk Cissus because of the bone healing abilities. I seemed to have recovered about twice as fast as most people I talked to who had this procedure done. I contribute my quick turnaround to the Cissus.
 
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Neoborn, I am taking Supercissus RX by USP labs, 4 tabs/day, today is my 15th day. My left arm built up for about 2 weeks before I stopped. My right arm started after I worked out very lightly (1 set flat bench approx. 30% 1 rep max, 1 set barbell rows approx. 30 % 1 rep max, legs). Prior to this had been doing wrist curls palms down and up and stretching exercises along with ART therapy. FrankJ prior to this injury I never warmed up or stretched, I know :nono: It goes without saying I will and do now. Thanks for the suggestions. EdvanP glad it worked for you. Hope it works for me this well. Like I said I am leaning towards Oratropin, and I should have said, PGHT as my next options as I have heard these really do the trick. But I will give the Cissus some more time as well.
 
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Stretching is definitely a must, so is some form of healthy oil for your joints. How is your Estrogen levels? Had blood done lately? This could be affecting your joints as well.

I know this may sound kind of hokey but I would like you to stop thinking upon pain / injury and start focusing ( also keeping your internal dialogue in line ) on healing and wellness of your joints. Everytime you have a negative "man my elbows / tendons "x" are hurting / killing me" replace it with "my joints are healthy and healing". I want you to do this everytime you hear your inner voice say something negative / unwell in relation to anything that is not "my joints are healthy and healed".

You can laugh, you can mock, but just do it for a month everytime you hear yourself affirm negative thoughts to yourself.

Believe me when I say you are attracting sickness and an unhealthy body into your life.

This by no means, means stop taking what your body needs to make you healthy but in addition to.

Have you watched "The Secret"? It's true and works

As a man thinketh...

Neoborn, I am taking Supercissus RX by USP labs, 4 tabs/day, today is my 15th day. My left arm built up for about 2 weeks before I stopped. My right arm started after I worked out very lightly (1 set flat bench approx. 30% 1 rep max, 1 set barbell rows approx. 30 % 1 rep max, legs). Prior to this had been doing wrist curls palms down and up and stretching exercises along with ART therapy. FrankJ prior to this injury I never warmed up or stretched, I know :nono: It goes without saying I will and do now. Thanks for the suggestions. EdvanP glad it worked for you. Hope it works for me this well. Like I said I am leaning towards Oratropin, and I should have said, PGHT as my next options as I have heard these really do the trick. But I will give the Cissus some more time as well.
 
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"My tendons are healthy and healed", "My tendons are healthy and healed", "My tendons are healthy and healed" :dance: I am on it!! I do believe in the power of positive thinking and I believe a positive mindset can help the body heal. Hey, I am doing whatever I think will help.
 
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Even a simple "My tendons feel better, they feel good" will work whenever a negative / ill will thought creeps in.

It will work I guarantee it!
 
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Originally posted by Neoborn: Even a simple "My tendons feel better, they feel good" will work whenever a negative / ill will thought creeps in.

It will work I guarantee it!

I don't doubt it, seriously, I have been trying this today and will continue to utilize this as part of my arsenal.
 
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When you say you haven't seen one, do you mean you haven't read a full study, or do you mean you haven't seen even an abstract?


Chopra SS, Patel MR, Awadhiya RP.
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No Abstract Studies of Cissus quadrangularis in experimental fracture repair : a histopathological study.
Indian J Med Res. 1976 Sep;64(9):1365-8. No abstract available.
PMID: 1010630 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Chopra SS, Patel MR, Gupta LP, Datta IC.
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No Abstract Studies on Cissus quadrangularis in experimental fracture repair: effect on chemical parameters in blood.
Indian J Med Res. 1975 Jun;63(6):824-8. No abstract available.
PMID: 1213779 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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UDUPA KN, PRASAD G.
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No Abstract BIOMECHANICAL AND CALCIUM-45 STUDIES ON THE EFFECT OF CISSUS QUADRANGULARIS IN FRACTURE REPAIR.
Indian J Med Res. 1964 May;52:480-7. No abstract available.
PMID: 14175605 [PubMed - OLDMEDLINE]
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DAS PK, SANYAL AK.
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No Abstract STUDIES ON CISSUS QUADRANGULARIS LINN. I. ACETYLCHOLINE LIKE ACTION OF THE TOTAL EXTRACT.
Indian J Med Res. 1964 Jan;52:63-7. No abstract available.
PMID: 14112165 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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UDUPA KN, PRASAD GC.
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No Abstract FURTHER STUDIES ON THE EFFECT OF CISSUS QUADRANGULARIS IN ACCELERATING FRACTURE HEALING.
Indian J Med Res. 1964 Jan;52:26-35. No abstract available.
PMID: 14112159 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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PRASAD GC, UDUPA KN.
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No Abstract EFFECT OF CISSUS QUADRANGULARIS ON THE HEALING OF CORTISONE TREATED FRACTURES.
Indian J Med Res. 1963 Jul;51:667-76. No abstract available.
PMID: 14073618 [PubMed - OLDMEDLINE]
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SINGH LM, UDUPA KN.
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No Abstract Studies on "Cissus Quadrangularis" in fracture by using phosphorus 32. III.
Indian J Med Sci. 1962 Nov;16:926-31. No abstract available.
PMID: 13977656 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
54:
UDUPA KN, PRASAD GC.
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No Abstract Cissus quadrangularis in healing of fractures. A clinical study.
J Indian Med Assoc. 1962 Jun 1;38:590-3. No abstract available.
PMID: 13923449 [PubMed - OLDMEDLINE]
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UDUPA KN, ARNIKAR HJ, SINGH LM.
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No Abstract Experimental studies of the use of 'cissus quadrangularis' in healing of fractures. II.
Indian J Med Sci. 1961 Jul;15:551-7. No abstract available.
PMID: 13778943 [PubMed - OLDMEDLINE]


there are a lot on bone healing. I even found one study on fracture healing in dogs, and started one of my dogs on it.
Nice =). Im glad you posted this. and also look at the studies posted by me on increasing musclemass, and body recomp, along with healthy body benefits
 

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I began taking cissus two months ago to see if it would reduce pain, stiffness, and inflamation in and around my left elbow joint. I used SuperCissus for three weeks @ 2-3 caps/day (10 % ketosterones). I then switched to PrimaForce cissus caps (40 % ketosterones) for six weeks and dosed @ 5 grams/day in four or five divided doses. My forearm is not perfect but the reductionin pain and stiffness has been tremendous. I cannott recall ever having a tendon/ligament supplement work so effectively. I haven't stopped using cissus for more than a day at a time in two and a half months.
 
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Stretching is definitely a must, so is some form of healthy oil for your joints. How is your Estrogen levels? Had blood done lately? This could be affecting your joints as well.

I know this may sound kind of hokey but I would like you to stop thinking upon pain / injury and start focusing ( also keeping your internal dialogue in line ) on healing and wellness of your joints. Everytime you have a negative "man my elbows / tendons "x" are hurting / killing me" replace it with "my joints are healthy and healing". I want you to do this everytime you hear your inner voice say something negative / unwell in relation to anything that is not "my joints are healthy and healed".

You can laugh, you can mock, but just do it for a month everytime you hear yourself affirm negative thoughts to yourself.

Believe me when I say you are attracting sickness and an unhealthy body into your life.

This by no means, means stop taking what your body needs to make you healthy but in addition to.

Have you watched "The Secret"? It's true and works

As a man thinketh...

:goodpost:
 
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I agree Neoborn. Positive self talk affirmating our "higher selves" matters a lot. In addition, Science has proven research.
 
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havnt had a chance to watch the secret I looked for it in the video store but didbnt see it. Where did you get it?
 

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Supercissus Rx

I had 5 surgeries on my ankle last year for an achilles problem and other tendon issues.

I then found supercissus RX and started taking it religiously. I noticed a reduction in my pain immediately and could resume some of my activities.

I still have some tendon problems with this ankle so I can not attest to the claim that it helps to heal tendons. However, I can attest to the fact that it reduces bodyfat and enhances lean muscle accrual. The supplement has helped with many minor injuries such as elbow tendonitits, wrist tendontitis, and other chronic injuries that occur with constant intense training.

I would recommend that if looking into this supplement that you should take it is a daily supplement to enhance injury prevention as opposed to injury treatment. I also recommend using arnica for any immediate injuries, can be taken orally or topically. Best arnica supplement I have found is called Traumeel (oral and topical).:bruce2:
 

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Abstract conclusions are not always in line with the full text's, and I believe this is because abstracts are not always (maybe rarely or never?) written by the authors themselves.
Ironically it is often the misquotation of abstracts by those who haven't examined the full text and relating data that spreads incorrect info on an ingredient, not a company.
I know this is an old thread but I just have to say this is wrong. I have worked for two different labs over the last four years, each submitting many papers to peer reviewed journals and in every single one of those papers, the abstract was written by the author/authors of the paper. The abstract in some sense is the most important part of the paper in the fact that if it is not a free article and must be purchased, the only thing the reader can see is the abstract. Therefore it is imperative that the abstract be detailed, accurate and try to convey as much meaningful information about the paper as possible. The abstract is what may make a person, or in most cases another lab, decide to purchase the paper so it can be examined in further detail. If false or inaccurate information is in the abstract and it is purchased by a lab, I am sure the journal it is in would lose credibility, thus losing money in sales. Maybe this is not the case in all fields, but I work at a biomedical research center so I am 100% certain that anything pertaining to biomedical research would have had the abstract written by the author/authors of the paper.

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You can't get anything really from an abstract, you can't see study design, actual results, conclusion, etc. Abstract conclusions are not always in line with the full text's, and I believe this is because abstracts are not always (maybe rarely or never?) written by the authors themselves. Study results may be manipulated but still make it to the medline database, etc.

Ironically it is often the misquotation of abstracts by those who haven't examined the full text and relating data that spreads incorrect info on an ingredient, not a company.
I've actually never known of an abstract to be written by anyone but the authors. Where did you hear this and who would write the abstract if the authors didn't?
 
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Also most pubmed "studies" do not have enough subjects to even be significantly significant. Pubmed is good but if a study does not have at least 50 subjects it is not worth much in scientific terms.
Pubmed are not studies, it is a database that just indexes studies published in science journals. It indexes over 17 million studies, pretty much covering anything imaginable and millions of the studies indexed have over 50 subjects. Perhaps, you are specifically talking about sport supplement studies?
 
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I know this is an old thread but I just have to say this is wrong. I have worked for two different labs over the last four years, each submitting many papers to peer reviewed journals and in every single one of those papers, the abstract was written by the author/authors of the paper. The abstract in some sense is the most important part of the paper in the fact that if it is not a free article and must be purchased, the only thing the reader can see is the abstract. Therefore it is imperative that the abstract be detailed, accurate and try to convey as much meaningful information about the paper as possible. The abstract is what may make a person, or in most cases another lab, decide to purchase the paper so it can be examined in further detail. If false or inaccurate information is in the abstract and it is purchased by a lab, I am sure the journal it is in would lose credibility, thus losing money in sales. Maybe this is not the case in all fields, but I work at a biomedical research center so I am 100% certain that anything pertaining to biomedical research would have had the abstract written by the author/authors of the paper.

/rant off/:thumbsup:
Nice, I could have saved myself some time had I read your response. I agree
 

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I've seen some old posts that discussed cissus before it became popular. Speculation was that it had some potentially estrogenic properties, hence why it's so nice to our joints.

I've also seen a handful of cases where people sort of blamed cissus for libido issues or gyno. After further questioning by the board members regarding those cases, an obvious culprit other than cissus usually turns out to be the cause of the problems.

I've been taking a moderate dose of several different brands of cissus (bulk, usp, primaforce) for the past 3-4 months and have had zero negative effects.

To be fair, I have not seen any posts that "debunk" the estrogenic speculation either.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/usp-labs/86788-inaccurate-criticism-cissus.html
 
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Pubmed are not studies, it is a database that just indexes studies published in science journals. It indexes over 17 million studies, pretty much covering anything imaginable and millions of the studies indexed have over 50 subjects. Perhaps, you are specifically talking about sport supplement studies?
Correct. I meant that most studies that are posted from pubmed are not really worth a damn as the sample size are often negligible to draw any real consclusions from. Pubmed is a fantastic database.
 
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Cissus healed my tendonitis. Period.
 

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