I found a very well known site selling an excellent EPHEDRA based product the other day. I was gonna get some but saving my money I don't have to spend on X-DREAM. Looks like the phone bill can wait!. Anyway did some kind of law change happen?.
A lot of people use ephedrine, mahuang . It is sold here in Canada under the counter, and extremely popular..Do people still use ephedra? I never liked it because it felt like a dirty buzz to me. I have been preferential to E-hcl because I knew 25mg E is 25mg E without the 'other' alkaloids. That's just me of course.
Doesn't mean it's on the shelves it's legal...Its not illegal or banned or anything. It never was. There's a supplement store up the street from me that still sells a lot of ephedra based products.
Its not illegal or banned or anything. It never was. There's a supplement store up the street from me that still sells a lot of ephedra based products.
There are certain rules. Like Ephedrine by itself can be sold. In combination as a fat burner its banned. But recently in my neck of the woods...4EVERFIT recently started distributing ma huang again. I dont know how it is in the US but here you can buy ephedrine like its candy and now ephedra too
We are talking United States Law.There are certain rules. Like Ephedrine by itself can be sold. In combination as a fat burner its banned. But recently in my neck of the woods...4EVERFIT recently started distributing ma huang again. I dont know how it is in the US but here you can buy ephedrine like its candy and now ephedra too
Dude you need to chill out.Why the **** cant I say what brand of ephedra I saw? 4everfit is the brand I saw you ****ing idiot mods.
Maybe you should do your job properly or tell that to whomever got trigger happy.Dude you need to chill out.
You need to refrain from telling the staff what to do. Last warning. Thank you.Maybe you should do your job properly or tell that to whomever got trigger happy.
ha ha he got owned:nono:You need to refrain from telling the staff what to do. Last warning. Thank you.
Yes, most of the ephedra sources now are from Sida Cordifolia.Rest assured the alkaloid is available in other plants, and I think that's what we're seeing in some of these newer ephedrine-based fatburners.
thats what i do and i love it. its 60 servings for 8 bucks at wally world for the best pre workout sup you can possibly take. why wuld you do anything else???aaa.how bout saving yourself the $ and time and going to a CVS or something and getting some primatene for your...:thumbsup: asthma
Does that mean we can tell them what NOT to do? :run:You need to refrain from telling the staff what to do. Last warning. Thank you.
Amen. The above quote is the equivalent of a pimp raising his hand................ lolYou need to refrain from telling the staff what to do. Last warning. Thank you.
Nah this has always been a board with power hungry mods. Its actually pathetic that they cant apologize and admit that they modded me improperly. But it's ok let them jerk off while they get their jollys banning people lolha ha he got owned:nono:
I have tons of new ephedra burners, 28Mg ephedrine (ma huang) per cap plus caffeine chromium and carnitine.I LOVE EPHEDRINE! Please, GOD I hope a board sponsor will come out with a good ephedra based supplement because I will love you forever! I think it helps me so much because I have mild athsma but I have never been diagnosed. When I take it I feel so much better like I can breath. If only Palo or somebody would just do it and come out with at least some form of bronchidialator it would be AWESOME!
Ofcourse its different. Ephedrine HCL is just one isolated alkaloid while Ma huang supplies full alkaloids. Its standardized to 28mgs ephedrine. I cant remember how much percent and mgs of the herb it is off hand I have them downstairs.But that is not Ephedrine Hcl.
It is ephedrine from the extract of ma huang.
Different.
Bronkaid by Bayer is another great choice, but it's not HCL, it's sulfate (SO4).aaa.how bout saving yourself the $ and time and going to a CVS or something and getting some primatene for your...:thumbsup: asthma
Yes. Sometimes the extract is standardized to a range stated as "6-10%" or something like that. This leaves some difference from dose to dose or lot to lot based on the quality of the extract and the process used within that range.Ofcourse its different. Ephedrine HCL is just one isolated alkaloid while Ma huang supplies full alkaloids. Its standardized to 28mgs ephedrine. I cant remember how much percent and mgs of the herb it is off hand I have them downstairs.
I understand your logic but fact of the matter is that 8mg tabs are cut with calcium. Its just a fact. Thats why different companies have complete different sizes of ephedrine. Do you remember how small the 25mgs HCL were back in the day? 8 Mg sizes are the same nowadays. So they are not what they actually are. And the 25 mgs IF you can get them are usually just 2 8mg tabs stacked together, laced with calcium carb and labeled as 25 mgs.Yes. Sometimes the extract is standardized to a range stated as "6-10%" or something like that. This leaves some difference from dose to dose or lot to lot based on the quality of the extract and the process used within that range.
Additionally those other alkaloids are not standardized and can be positive or negative in your response. I personally don't like extracts because of these reasons and find the HCL to be 'cleaner'.
JMO
Is the Vasopro E HCl banned at the moment? Just wondering because I see it being sold around here still, except its in boxes(blister packs?) and not bottles.25mgs of ephedrine hcl is 25mg of ephedrine hcl
Vasopro Ephedrine
Expectorant/Bronchodilator
I'm holding the bottle in my hand right now. This is pre-ban product.
- Ephedrine HCL 25mg
- Guaifenesin 200mg
So I gather the current suppliers/manufactures are falling under some regulations now. But the old school stuff is what I have and plenty. But yes, I agree, DSFDF
I have seen it. I see it in blister packs and even on gel caps but quantities are 24 and 48 and not the 60 like it used to be. It is legal but most places I saw in my limited research required ID and had a max qty per purchase.Is the Vasopro E HCl banned at the moment? Just wondering because I see it being sold around here still, except its in boxes(blister packs?) and not bottles.
I actually looked into this further, and it turns out sida cordifolia might be a sham. It contains ephedrine-group alkaloids, but is primarily pseudoephedrine (a stereoisomer), which is the active in the original Sudafed.Yes, most of the ephedra sources now are from Sida Cordifolia.
25mgs is never 25mgs now. its always 16mg tops and labelled as 25mg25mgs of ephedrine hcl is 25mg of ephedrine hcl
Vasopro Ephedrine
Expectorant/Bronchodilator
I'm holding the bottle in my hand right now. This is pre-ban product.
- Ephedrine HCL 25mg
- Guaifenesin 200mg
So I gather the current suppliers/manufactures are falling under some regulations now. But the old school stuff is what I have and plenty. But yes, I agree, DSFDF
Whoa, if it contains pseudo-e and the FDA found out, the folks selling these could be in a world of hurt due to the new OTC regulations (on pseudoephedrine).I actually looked into this further, and it turns out sida cordifolia might be a sham. It contains ephedrine-group alkaloids, but is primarily pseudoephedrine (a stereoisomer), which is the active in the original Sudafed.
What are you talking about? Where is your evidence to support such statment?25mgs is never 25mgs now. its always 16mg tops and labelled as 25mg
I really don't understand what you're saying unless you're referring to the different types of ephedrine that are used: HCL vs SO4 (Hydrochloride vs Sulfate)25mgs is never 25mgs now. its always 16mg tops and labelled as 25mg
You're missing another important difference, that being you get less alkaloid per mg when you change the salts from chloride to sulfate.
25mg Ephedrine SO4 is about 96 micromoles
12.5mg Ephedrine HCl is about 63 micromoles
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Damn you and your chemical engineering! LOL...
Yeah, but they both come in packs of 24 (not sure if the primatene tabs are easily split in half though as a one and a half pills would be the equivalent μmoles to one bronkaid).
$5.00 for 24 tabs of HCL ~ 1510 micromoles total ~300 μmole/$
$6.20 for 24 tabs of SO4 ~ 2300 micromoles total~370 μmole/$
So yeah, you do only get about 75% of the alkaloids per mg...
I personally know manufacturers of Ephedrine 25 mg. I sell it. Barely any of it is 25mg. Its maybe tops 16mgs and then cut with fillers that they dont put on the labels.What are you talking about? Where is your evidence to support such statment?
Each tablet weighs 250mg on my digital scale that is accurate ±.001mg.
Active ingredient: 25mg of Ephedrine hcl and 200mg Guaifenesin
Inactive ingredients: colloidal silicon dioxide, magnesium stearate, maltodextrine, polyethylene glycol 3350, povidone, stearic acid
The inactive ingredients are used for the tableting process. Colloidal silicon dioxide is a binding agent. Magnesium stearate is a molding lubricant. Matltodextrine is used for strengthening the tablet. Polyethylene glycol 3350 is for filming or coating. Povidone is a suspending agent. Stearic acid is for filming or coating.
The above was found using a very quick search on wikipedia and or google using the keywords tableting process and the ingredient. It may not be perfectly accurate as stated but is very likely reasonably accurate. I would venture to believe that these chemicals make up the difference of 25mg per tablet between active ingredients and total weight.
So unless you have some evidence to support your claims I am quite confident that you are wrong.
Well it's being sold as an ephedrine-alkaloid containing supplement, it's already on thin ice since both diastereomers are at the same control level. It's more of a sham if it's pseudo though, since it's fatburning effects are not as pronounced.Whoa, if it contains pseudo-e and the FDA found out, the folks selling these could be in a world of hurt due to the new OTC regulations (on pseudoephedrine).
you don't like it..............GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!Nah this has always been a board with power hungry mods. Its actually pathetic that they cant apologize and admit that they modded me improperly. But it's ok let them jerk off while they get their jollys banning people lol