Nerve Damage and Regeneration

**Heat Miser** · 05-08-2007, 03:57 PM

Long story short...I hurt myself VERY bad.

My doctors are in the process of determining how bad. The suspicion is a Brachial Plexus injury. This could be anything from a pinch to a rupture or tear from the root. I am scheduled for a EMG to assess nerve damage and a couple more MRI's to assess if there is also soft tissue damage.

My left arm tricep is atrophied from a cold arm flexed circumference of 17.5" to just barely holding on to 16". Strength is all but wiped out after initial injury and is now maybe 10% of pre injury, if that. Lat muscle and pec muscle have also atrophied very dramatically.

I have a prognosis that is good, but I am hesitant to believe this as of yet, until we diagnose the extent of the trauma. As of today I am 6 weeks post injury. All of the symptoms are on the normal course and pace of such an injury.

Anyway, my thoughts wondered into the use of some products that may assist in my recovery.
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So I am hoping that soon I will get a true diagnosis and a true prognosis. Unfortunately, until I have data I am a pessimist. Depending upon the diagnosis we could be looking at anything from rehabilitation only, to as much as surgery, and then, likely even more rehabilitation. I can live with either, it is just the uncertainty and the waiting that is playing games with me psychologically.

So in the meantime I thought I would begin my study of the options to potentiate the recovery and healing process. I don't know if this is anything that I can afford to consider as I have no idea the extent or magnitude of supply required for treatment with these substances.

Anyway. I just needed to start looking forward and get out of this hopelessness feeling that I have. I (originally) posted this in the IBE forum specifically because of the "innovative products" that you bring to the industry.

So...discuss.

**Jayhawkk** · 05-08-2007, 10:57 PM

Hmmm, I knows people...

**DR.D** · 05-08-2007, 11:53 PM

I am sure he can count on IBE to help in anyway they can. They are good peoples that way! I also think they could REALLY help.

Stay up B. You are in our prayers and thoughts and please PM if you wanna talk about stuff. You will recover and be better than before! I believe in you bro, I know all us old timers here do.

Thanks for the heads-up J.

supersoldier · 05-08-2007, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DR.D

I am sure he can count on IBE to help in anyway they can. They are good peoples that way! I also think they could REALLY help.

Stay up B. You are in our prayers and thoughts and please PM if you wanna talk about stuff. You will recover and be better than before! I believe in you bro, I know all us old timers here do.

Thanks for the heads-up J.

Come in chat!

**bioman** · 05-09-2007, 03:10 AM

I honestly think judicious use of IGF can fix dang near anything. I know that sounds naive, but with my own less serious injuries to threads like the one CEDeoudes put up for his huge injury, it seems to be far too underrated for this purpose.

Hang in there, B. We've all seen guys come back from some pretty awful injuries when they try..and we all know you certainly will.

JBlaze · 05-09-2007, 06:18 AM

I know firsthand what it feels like to watch your muscles atrophy after an injury. Hang in there bro, and keep us updated on the results of the EMG.

**Heat Miser** · 05-09-2007, 10:40 AM

Yes, bioman, your experience and opinion and CEDeoudes' thread made me start to do my research into these sort of supplements. Then of course those rats make it conclusive

The physical aspects of this injury are really the least of my heartache. The bb'ing lifestyle was/is my alternate therapy, and God knows I have issues.

Thanks for the support guys. It really means a whole lot to me.

stryder · 05-09-2007, 01:37 PM

Thanks Jay for pointing me here...

We would be honored to help...shoot me a PM Brian.

-Sam

**Jayhawkk** · 05-09-2007, 08:55 PM

Thank you Sam, it means a lot. I need B healthy so I can ***** to him how much life sucks...B, check your PM's.

**Heat Miser** · 05-09-2007, 10:48 PM

I was asked by Sam what happened so I'll share the summary of what I shared with Sam for those interested:

"I was loading my quad into the back of my truck. The back end slipped off the end of the tailgate while it was still in the grip of my left hand. My arm was partially extended above my head at about 75-80°. I held onto it and it crashed down onto my shoulder like I was catching a 300lb DB. I was sort of pinned under it and had to tip toe squat it off me back onto the bed of the truck. I could ramble on about it but you get the gist of it. Pretty bad."

I have my EMG tomorrow morning and I got a call that my MRI is in the evening. I am hoping to get a solid diagnosis and a prognosis on this situation.

Thanks again.

Jay, you continue to humble me.

**Heat Miser** · 05-10-2007, 12:23 AM

Well I got some feedback from some other guys whom I have asked for help:

uniquenutrition ("smart drug guy"): Idebenone, L-Huperzine A for NGF production and R-Hydrolipoic acid.

*Loki ("smart guy on drugs"): ashwagandha Entrez PubMed

*I only joke. He is one smart kid regardless.

EDIT: I'm going to move this to the supplement forum to open it to other alternative discussion outside of my original focus on just GH/IGF sort of supplementation.

supersoldier · 05-10-2007, 12:27 AM

Cissus maybe?

FitnFirm · 05-10-2007, 01:07 AM

Hey, I know someone that had this issue and they used GH to fix it and it worked for them without surgery. But you may need surgery if you have a anything that came out of its normal place, but I really feel you can get over this and be back to your good old boy self again ! Dont get down man its just temporary ! I have faith that it will be fine

There are such surgeons who do micro surgery for nerves, I had this on my hand 12 years ago and was very pleased. Keep an open mind! Best wishes for a fast recovery, and hey dont forget we have mature muscle and muscle memory on our side ehh buddy !

Palo Alto Labs · 05-10-2007, 10:25 AM

Man I feel your pain to some degree...
I broke my left elbow in December, well actually I dislocated the joint and fractured a large fragment from the joint. Three weeks into January, I had surgery to install 3 pins and a metal plate to secure the joint.

During the process, my ulnar nerve was stretched, causing my left hand to be 70% useless for a while. Next week is 4 MONTHS since surgery. I have about 60% strength back in my hand, but I am still lacking about 25% mobility, namely my pinky which I can't control the movement to save my life.

For 2 months, I had a constant tingle in my hand as well as numbness, which was uncomfortable and painful at times...still is.

The point is that nerve grows SLOW. 1mm a DAY. 1 Inch a month. I am anticipating that I will have full control in August.

And I dont even want to talk about atrophy. Its depressing as hell. My hand has lost so much muscle that its just bones, Im terrified that I will break it next. My arm and shoulder is half the size and definition of my left.

I know the depression you are dealing with right now.. i was there. All my dreams and plans for the next year went right out the window. I was stuck in a metal brace for 12 weeks, which was awkward, frustrating, and embarassing at the least. Take it easy, take the time to relax and catch up on sleep. 5 years down the road, its more important that you heal properly... Injuries suck, but take them with a grain of salt... or you'll tear yourself apart mentally and physically.

Here for support if you need anything.