[yeahright]

6-oxo xtreme

The write-up suggests 10 pills a day (twice daily dosing of 5 pills) divided by 75 in a bottle. That means one bottle equals 7.5 days worth of product.

I'm not understanding this. It looks like an interesting product but I'm wondering who is going to buy 4 to 8 bottles worth to run the suggested 4-8 week cycle of it?

I've got to think there's a mistake in the suggested dosing. Unless these go for $5-$10 a bottle, the math just doesn't pencil out if Ergopharm expects this to be a mass market product.

Is there anyone with insight on this?

[300Fan]

yea dosages are going crazy... I dont think anyone knows whats going on with this product yet. I think it would be best to just wait till its released. Im hoping this isnt a $60+ product

[bigstabile]

Originally Posted by yeahright

The write-up suggests 10 pills a day (twice daily dosing of 5 pills) divided by 75 in a bottle. That means one bottle equals 7.5 days worth of product.

I'm not understanding this. It looks like an interesting product but I'm wondering who is going to buy 4 to 8 bottles worth to run the suggested 4-8 week cycle of it?

I've got to think there's a mistake in the suggested dosing. Unless these go for $5-$10 a bottle, the math just doesn't pencil out if Ergopharm expects this to be a mass market product.

Is there anyone with insight on this?

Somebody said that the write up may be for the beta test version.

[p951]

6-oxo extreme looks like it will be retailing for around $40/bottle of 75 pills. The dosage recommendations are 5 pills, up to 2x per day. The old 6-oxo says to use 3 pills, up to 2x per day. It does make sense, as 6-oxo extreme has added ingredients that 6-oxo doesn't have. It looks like 5 pills of 6-oxo extreme will contain what 3 pills of 6-oxo had + the new stuff added. With less dosage and a substantially higher price, I don't see this product as a big seller initially. Unless, of course, I am wrong with the dosages. Nobody, but PA, and a select few know though, because no info has been released yet. It is just conjecture at this point. A moot point.

[thebigt]

not exact but it comes out to around $150 a month!

[yeahright]

Originally Posted by bigstabile

Somebody said that the write up may be for the beta test version.

I was quoting the ergopharm website.

[yeahright]

Originally Posted by p951

6-oxo extreme looks like it will be retailing for around $40/bottle of 75 pills. The dosage recommendations are 5 pills, up to 2x per day. The old 6-oxo says to use 3 pills, up to 2x per day. It does make sense, as 6-oxo extreme has added ingredients that 6-oxo doesn't have. It looks like 5 pills of 6-oxo extreme will contain what 3 pills of 6-oxo had + the new stuff added. With less dosage and a substantially higher price, I don't see this product as a big seller initially. Unless, of course, I am wrong with the dosages. Nobody, but PA, and a select few know though, because no info has been released yet. It is just conjecture at this point. A moot point.

Nope, full write-up with doasages is on ergopharm website. The only thing missing is retail price.

[yeahright]

Originally Posted by Aeternitatis

It's kinda stupid how people would rather spend a little money on supps that do barely anything (and they spend this money monthly), yet pitch a fit when a well designed supp actually costs what it's worth.

I guess that's just the dominating human nature of preserving mediocrity rearing its head.

I don't share your enthusiasm for this product. It looks interesting but let's break it down: It contains a weak AI, ZMA, a flavanoid, pepper extract and resveratrol. This isn't cutting edge biotech or the product of a rare flower which only blossoms once a year. This is a synergy of commonly available supplements (I have all of them in my sup cabinet at this very moment).

Resveratrol exerts its effects over long term continuous dosing. Making it more biolavailable by adding in a flavanoid and pepper extract is a neat idea but you still need to take resveratrol consistently for months to years to see its effects. Coupling it with something one needs to cycle like an AI isn't making sense to me.

[thebigt]

how stupid is it to spend 30-40 bucks for 60- 6oxo when you can buy 90 trione for 12 bucks?

[rpen22]

Originally Posted by yeahright

Resveratrol exerts its effects over long term continuous dosing. Making it more biolavailable by adding in a flavanoid and pepper extract is a neat idea but you still need to take resveratrol consistently for months to years to see its effects. Coupling it with something one needs to cycle like an AI isn't making sense to me.

This is a very good point. I hadn't even thought of it that way.

[thesinner]

Originally Posted by yeahright

I don't share your enthusiasm for this product. It looks interesting but let's break it down: It contains a weak AI, ZMA, a flavanoid, pepper extract and resveratrol. This isn't cutting edge biotech or the product of a rare flower which only blossoms once a year. This is a synergy of commonly available supplements (I have all of them in my sup cabinet at this very moment).

Resveratrol exerts its effects over long term continuous dosing. Making it more biolavailable by adding in a flavanoid and pepper extract is a neat idea but you still need to take resveratrol consistently for months to years to see its effects. Coupling it with something one needs to cycle like an AI isn't making sense to me.

Another issue is the unstability of resveratrol.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/ibe-n...sveratrol.html

I am guessing that the large amount of caps is due to the large amounts of resveratrol necessary for an effective dose. I think this is product's release was more to build a little extra revenues, rather than innovation.

Another thing which we need to take into account about the cost efficiency with this supplement is the fact that it is resveratrol is not a very cost-effective supplement in the first place. Factor in the costs of 6-oxo, ZMA (I think they still have to pay royalties for this), and the costs of capping/packaging it all, and $40 per bottle really isn't that unrealistic. I do agree, however, that the the amount of caps provided in each bottle is a bit low.

[thebigt]

big thanks to dsade and np for bulk powders. supplements are getting as bad as prescriptions, no one can afford the original, have to get the generic.

[yeahright]

Originally Posted by thesinner

Another thing which we need to take into account about the cost efficiency with this supplement is the fact that it is resveratrol is not a very cost-effective supplement in the first place. Factor in the costs of 6-oxo, ZMA (I think they still have to pay royalties for this), and the costs of capping/packaging it all, and $40 per bottle really isn't that unrealistic. I do agree, however, that the the amount of caps provided in each bottle is a bit low.

Yeah, I am in NO WAY saying that Ergo is trying to rip anyone off with this. I'm just looking at the ingredients and the effect they are likely to deliver, and wondering why I should pay $120 for a month's supply. That's what confuses me. This product isn't going to be that different in effect from things like Jungle Warfare, BAM and MassFX.....but at triple the price. I must be missing something.

[thesinner]

Well, if you can get away with selling it at triple the price.........wouldn't you? Sure this will take away from some of the consumer pools, but as PA had mentioned in another thread, Ergo isn't in direct competition with companies like AX (or ALRI); therefore, the consumers he'd lose to products like JW, BAM, MassFX, or HD were a lost cause to begin with.

[phrost]

Originally Posted by yeahright

Yeah, I am in NO WAY saying that Ergo is trying to rip anyone off with this. I'm just looking at the ingredients and the effect they are likely to deliver, and wondering why I should pay $120 for a month's supply. That's what confuses me. This product isn't going to be that different in effect from things like Jungle Warfare, BAM and MassFX.....but at triple the price. I must be missing something.

You will need 4 bottles for a full month, so it will be $160 + shipping costs. I will definitely not be buying this.