6-OXO Extreme Dosing?
- 05-05-2007, 05:26 PM
6-OXO Extreme Dosing?
The write-up suggests 10 pills a day (twice daily dosing of 5 pills) divided by 75 in a bottle. That means one bottle equals 7.5 days worth of product.
I'm not understanding this. It looks like an interesting product but I'm wondering who is going to buy 4 to 8 bottles worth to run the suggested 4-8 week cycle of it?
I've got to think there's a mistake in the suggested dosing. Unless these go for $5-$10 a bottle, the math just doesn't pencil out if Ergopharm expects this to be a mass market product.
Is there anyone with insight on this?
- 05-05-2007, 05:41 PM
yea dosages are going crazy... I dont think anyone knows whats going on with this product yet. I think it would be best to just wait till its released. Im hoping this isnt a $60+ product
- 05-05-2007, 05:55 PM
05-05-2007, 06:04 PM
6-oxo extreme looks like it will be retailing for around $40/bottle of 75 pills. The dosage recommendations are 5 pills, up to 2x per day. The old 6-oxo says to use 3 pills, up to 2x per day. It does make sense, as 6-oxo extreme has added ingredients that 6-oxo doesn't have. It looks like 5 pills of 6-oxo extreme will contain what 3 pills of 6-oxo had + the new stuff added. With less dosage and a substantially higher price, I don't see this product as a big seller initially. Unless, of course, I am wrong with the dosages. Nobody, but PA, and a select few know though, because no info has been released yet. It is just conjecture at this point. A moot point.
05-05-2007, 07:31 PM
05-05-2007, 10:40 PM
05-05-2007, 10:42 PM
05-05-2007, 11:05 PM
Resveratrol exerts its effects over long term continuous dosing. Making it more biolavailable by adding in a flavanoid and pepper extract is a neat idea but you still need to take resveratrol consistently for months to years to see its effects. Coupling it with something one needs to cycle like an AI isn't making sense to me.
05-06-2007, 12:47 AM
05-06-2007, 12:49 AM
05-06-2007, 01:05 AM
I am guessing that the large amount of caps is due to the large amounts of resveratrol necessary for an effective dose. I think this is product's release was more to build a little extra revenues, rather than innovation.
Another thing which we need to take into account about the cost efficiency with this supplement is the fact that it is resveratrol is not a very cost-effective supplement in the first place. Factor in the costs of 6-oxo, ZMA (I think they still have to pay royalties for this), and the costs of capping/packaging it all, and $40 per bottle really isn't that unrealistic. I do agree, however, that the the amount of caps provided in each bottle is a bit low.
05-06-2007, 01:09 AM
big thanks to dsade and np for bulk powders. supplements are getting as bad as prescriptions, no one can afford the original, have to get the generic.
05-06-2007, 01:25 AM
05-06-2007, 10:40 AM
Well, if you can get away with selling it at triple the price.........wouldn't you? Sure this will take away from some of the consumer pools, but as PA had mentioned in another thread, Ergo isn't in direct competition with companies like AX (or ALRI); therefore, the consumers he'd lose to products like JW, BAM, MassFX, or HD were a lost cause to begin with.
05-06-2007, 02:24 PM
05-06-2007, 07:37 PM
05-07-2007, 12:33 PM
05-07-2007, 12:53 PM
this is all correct. this product is what it is, you can't make expensive ingredients cheaper. I could throw crap in a bottle and tell you its better and sell it for cheap but you don't want that
I understand cost is a big issue here. this product perhaps could be used as part of a 6-OXO cycle if you are tight budgeted. start off with extreme for a week or two then go to 6-OXO. or use for whatever times you feel you need the maximum test benefit
05-07-2007, 12:57 PM
you are confusing gene mediated Sirt1 effects with estrogen receptor antagonist effects. the former does take time, the latter does not
resveratrol's testosterone increasing effects are seen within a week or two. one of our guys had an increase of 1100% in total test after 4 weeks while taking 1000mg res / 1000mg quercetin combination
i knew people would scoff at resveratrol and quercetin etc. i would have too if i did not see how powerful the combo was. i had to put that in the product, despite cost and lack of luster
05-07-2007, 01:01 PM
1) i want to take zma out for the future to reduce cost
2) there are no stabiility issues with resveratrol. this is completely false rumor. do a search
3) i don't understand your comment on resveratrol being not a cost effective supplement. to make this comment than you would have to have a supplement that does the same things as resveratrol to compare it against. there is none though. its in a class by itself in regards to its striking effects on metabolism, aging, and hormone production
05-07-2007, 01:04 PM
Journal of Medicinal Food
Resveratrol and Its Glycon Piceid Are Stable Polyphenols
Mar 2006, Vol. 9, No. 1 : 11 -14
1Interpharma Praha, a.s., Prague, Czech Republic.
1Interpharma Praha, a.s., Prague, Czech Republic.
Allen L. Seligson
Biophysica Research, San Diego, La Jolla, California.
Biophysica Research and University of California, San Diego, La Jolla, California.
Plant extracts containing phytopolyphenols, including resveratrol, are extensively used as nutraceutical supplements. Recent reports allege their lack of stability at ambient conditions. We have studied the stability of resveratrol and its glycon piceid in a mixture with a whole grape extract for 2 years (long-term stability) under Good Manufacturing Practice pharmaceutical protocols (at 60% humidity and 25°C). The neat compounds were followed for 4 years under conditions of "accelerated stability," at 75% humidity and 40°C, all in the presence of ambient air. Chromatographic analysis did not detect any instability, thus disproving the claims to the opposite. No storage precautions are necessary for these nutritional supplements.
05-07-2007, 01:07 PM
i am not trying to get away with anything. this product is extemely expensive to make
i hear you though. in the future i will not release any products which cost alot to make. even if they are very effective. cuz it pisses people off and then i have to live with being accused of greedy. then everyone is upset
you would rather be restricted to cheaper less effective products. whichis cool.
the consumer is the boss
05-07-2007, 01:09 PM
05-07-2007, 01:12 PM
05-07-2007, 01:20 PM
resveratrol at that dose also makes you feel remarkably good
don't knock this till you try it
people knock AMP all the time cuz it says geranium oil. they think it is sissy
05-07-2007, 01:29 PM
05-07-2007, 02:02 PM
05-07-2007, 02:51 PM
05-07-2007, 05:00 PM
2) My bad, I just go by what I hear. If I'm ever wrong, don't hesitate to correct me, 90% of why I'm even on these boards is to learn.
3)Cost effectiveness is more of an opinionated thing. I was referring to how much it costs per day, which is kinda high for someone of my income to be taking regularly (I guess "Cost-restricting" would be a better term to use). But I do agree with your rebuttlement, there really isn't something to compare it to as to say something like "it would be cheaper to use ______"
05-07-2007, 06:02 PM
I'll keep my mind open on this but that price is still pretty steep for me.
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