- 12-11-2006, 08:42 PM
well im needing more protein again lol!...but im ordering ON'sfor morning shake mid day shake...between 2nd and 3rd period (im in highschool thats around like 9:30) and post workout and im getting a nighttime protein but cant decide between
-BSN or 23 grams of protein 13g's carbs/2g's sugar
-MHP 20 grams of protein 4g's carbs/1g sugar
both are fast/med/slow digesting protein syntha is cheaper and get 30 compared to just 28 servings with Probolic...but probolic is up to 12 hours of time release while syntha is just like 6-7 hours...thoughts?
- 12-11-2006, 09:54 PM
This is really funny to me cuz I was thinking the same thing today...but at work. Once I start bulking again I want to get a night time protein to stay anabolic overnight.
I've used muscle milk and will always love it. But I would like to try something different.
I've heard Matrix 5.0 is a good sustained release protein but I would love to hear more so that I can make a educated decision by the time January rolls around.
SO people who know more than us: we could use some input!
Also, I have a question of my own. A protein like Muscle Milk has over 300 calories compared to something like Matrix 5.0 which has just over 100(well, I'd probably have two servings before bed so over 200). When it comes to overnight/sustained release proteins, can you sacrifice the number of calories as long as you have enough micellar casein protein? For example from above, would two servings of Matrix 5.0 be just as good as one serving of Muscle Milk(220 cals & 44 g protein vs 350 cals & 32 g protein + healthy fats)?
12-11-2006, 10:57 PM
They're both really good proteins. I think it's going to be a matter of personal preference as I don't think your actually going to see a difference performance wise out of them. As long as you have a quality casein protein your good to go IMO. Out of the two you listed, I would probably go with the BSN, only because Probolic' is listed as "Supro Soy." I don't know exactly what that is, but I generally try to stay away from soy proteins. I don't believe that it takes 12 hours to digest either. But I'm sure it's still a good protein to drink before bedtime.Originally Posted by East1600Plus
I have used MuscleMilk and other products by Cytosport, but have no experience with Matrix. Why not stay with Cytosport and just swtich to Evopro? It's just the protein that they use in MuscleMilk without all the extra fat and calories. Personally I don't try to consume a lot of calories at night. Usually I just have a scoop of Evopro, some cottage cheese and some almonds. Seems to do the trick.Originally Posted by JJC
12-12-2006, 12:10 AM
One of the reasons that Matrix 5.0 looks so enticing is that it's less than $30 for ~76 servings (5 lbs). The macros look pretty similar to Evopro(which looks great too...don't get me wrong...plus I'm sure the flavor can't be beat).
I'm gonna continue to look into it with Evopro in my mind too. Thanks.
12-12-2006, 03:23 AM
I'm going to look up Matrix right now and perhaps even give a shot it's similiar to Evopro and that easy on the wallet.Originally Posted by JJC
Evopro is great because its such a flexible protein powder. You can use it as and make home-made weight-gainers instead of buying weight gainers and such.
12-12-2006, 04:03 AM
Originally Posted by East1600Plus
The 12 hour time release is all marketing. There's nothing special in it that makes it longer lasting. Furthermore, it's main protein source is soy...
Just get a casein based protein....or even better, save the money and just eat cottage cheese.
12-12-2006, 07:36 AM
What if you also take zma before bed? I wouldn't want the calcium in the cottage cheese to interfere with the zma...even though I've done both at night before...
I'd still like to know what people prefer for night time proteins, just for future reference.
12-12-2006, 11:46 AM
You guys really need to check out Black Star Labs CASEIN PRO... $22.95 (51% Micellar Casein / 49% Whey Isolate) & mixes like a champ.
I would not suggest Syntrax Matrix 5.0 for tha simple fact that they list Whey Protein Concentrate first. This means it's primarily a WPC blend. You don't want a fast digesting protein at night... if money is really an issue, eat a can of tuna.
12-12-2006, 03:36 PM
then what about ON's Pro Complex PM?
or possibly Twinlabs.. AM/PM protein...60 servings...30 of AM 30 of PM protein...hmm for 30 bucks sounds nice?
12-12-2006, 03:52 PM
Like it was said earlier tuna is a really good option, whole foods take longer to digest anyway then a shake. I mix some tuna with cottage cheese and some flaxseeds and eat that before bed. Its not the most tasty meal in the world but it does the trick
12-12-2006, 04:29 PM
Overpriced.Originally Posted by East1600Plus
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12-12-2006, 04:37 PM
I wouldn't buy ANY premixed combo. Most likely it will be mostly whey with very little casien.
You could check out All the whey, they have casiens. Or you could just use straight whey and mix it with milk and olive oil. Casien is going to be more expensive so stretch it by using a combo of whey and casien before bed. Personall I get the complete milk dairy isolate from TP, it's 80% micellar casien and 20% whey isolate.
12-12-2006, 05:12 PM
I use ON Night time Complex/Casein, I mix it 50/50 with whey to stretch it out. Reasonably priced, reliable product
12-12-2006, 05:37 PM
Like what has already been mentioned, you can't beat milk and cottage cheese if your on a budget. I like Muscle Milk, just wish that it was cheaper.
12-12-2006, 06:12 PM
There you go... also CASEIN PRO makes for a versatile product since it's very low in fat allowing it to be utilized pre/post workout without major slowdown to tha Isolates which many deem crucial during those timeframes.Originally Posted by bigstabile
Again, as I alluded to whole foods are indeed best. However, if you want a great quality "catch all" protein, Casein Pro is definitely worth tha price of admission.
12-12-2006, 06:27 PM
So basically any protein with a high amount of Casein is best.
I also found ON has 100% Casein Protein. So it seems that that would work also...maybe stretch it out with whey...
12-12-2006, 06:32 PM
Just buy any casein protein, mix it with milk, add a little whey if you're so inclined, and you're good to go.
Or eat cottage cheese.
12-12-2006, 06:42 PM
what about sustain by DS?...its got casein as the main ingrediant and also has whey isolateOriginally Posted by TeamSavage
12-12-2006, 06:50 PM
My main concern is the ratio of casein vs. whey. The ingredients are listed as, "Micellar Casein (from milk) Ceramic microfiltered Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate." Since WPI and WPC are listed separately, it's possible that Sustain contains as listed as 35% micellar casein. IMO you want at least 50% casein before bed and preferably >70%.Originally Posted by East1600Plus
12-12-2006, 06:53 PM
I like ON casein. The chocolate tastes really good, nice smooth flavor and it's instantized so it mixes really easy. I would say compare price though, if I remember it's between $20-30 for 2lbs. You could probably do better then that from all the whey or TP.Originally Posted by JJC
Same goes for Sustain, good product but you could probably do better for the price.
One reason I don't go for the casien/whey blend necessarily is I only use the casien at night but I use whey throughout the day. So instead of having a plain whey and the a casien and whey I just get one of each and mix when necessary.
At night I think a 2:1 casien:whey is probably good, like 1 scoop casien and 1/2 scoop whey with milk. So you aren't using much whey at that time.
12-12-2006, 06:56 PM
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12-12-2006, 07:20 PM
if i went to EDIT: we support board sponsors. and wanted to make my own custom mix for nighttime protein..what would the best % and type of protein to use...plus carbs? all that crap....like...milk protein isolate is that better than just micellar casein?..all that jibba jabba lol
12-12-2006, 07:24 PM
Cmdr. Snobvious says I'm talking about the ratio between casein and whey, so adding more scoops wouldn't matter (and would cost more).Originally Posted by TheUnlikelyToad
12-12-2006, 07:25 PM
Milk protein isolate is just an 80/20% mix of micellar casein and whey. That's a pretty good bedtime shake by itself.Originally Posted by East1600Plus
12-12-2006, 07:27 PM
o ok ...so then...ya...what else would i need to add? or what would u suggest to make this bedtime shakeOriginally Posted by TeamSavage
12-12-2006, 07:31 PM
I like ON 100% casein-vanilla. I also have had great results with Dorian Yates Pro-Peptide blend at night (most other people consider it a better Post Workout blend than night blend though)
12-12-2006, 07:35 PM
right now i have....
30% Calcium Caseinate
25% Whey Protein Isolate Microfiltration
5% Egg White
40% Micellar Casein
but its 31.61$ for 3.5 Lbs
40% Calcium Caseinate
35% Whey Protein Isolate Microfiltration
25% Micellar Casein
50% Calcium Caseinate
10% Micellar Casein
40% Whey Protein Isolate Microfiltration
12-12-2006, 07:50 PM
When I ordered a bedtime mix from TP I went with:
85% CMDI - Complete Milk Dairy Isolate (80% micellar casein, 20% WPI)
15% Egg White Protein
~68% Micellar Casein
~17% Whey Protein Isolate
15% Egg White Protein
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