The aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis stem increased blood testosterone?
- 09-02-2010, 01:29 PM
- 09-03-2010, 02:47 PM
10-17-2010, 06:40 AM
For what it is worth there is a bunch of Fadogia products out there now. Well more like a small handful of them. I know Omega labs has standerdized there version of fadogia and truthfully I know nothing of how they make there's other then it says "Extracted to contain a full spectrum of alkaloids, saponins, anthraquinones and flavonoids"
I think standardizing what you have is a great way to let others know you have something that is different from the rest and also at the same time you have a "standard" of a extract that is the same every time... Letting people know that its not just "fadogia" but that it is your standard of the fadogia and thus giving everyone something to use as a standard against another person product.
Ok anyway so like I was saying there is a handful of products out there with Fadogia in them and anyone's guess is as good as mine when it comes to whats good and what is not. I have not heard to many people complain about anyones brand. I like to try and stick to my own **** anyway..
So with that being said. Needtobuildmuscle uses its own standard extract of the plant and NTBM uses just the "root" or what most people know as or call the stem of the plant and that is it. The rest of the plant is tossed out and who knows maybe some one else is getting the rest of the plant and that is what there standard is..
NTBM uses the stem/root and the stem/root only. This does make it a hell of a lot more costly for us and it takes a hell of a lot more Fadogia to do it this way but so be it. That is how I wanted my product made and how its always going to be made.
Does it make a difference? If you ask the users of my product I think they will tell you it makes a huge difference. Ask others and Maybe they will have something different to say. For me the only people I care about is the people using the product or the people who have used the product. If you have not used NTBM hcgenerate well then you are not only missing out but you are not speaking out of experience but rather just your opinion based off what ever else except experience.
10-17-2010, 10:44 AM
In not-so-difference contrast... here is the current scene to purchase HCGenerate before the patents are filed
HCGenerate, as I detailed in my journal and will continue to do so, is a superlative example of excellence in supplementation.
10-17-2010, 09:15 PM
10-18-2010, 07:56 PM
10-19-2010, 08:50 AM
The known furostanol steroidal saponins methylprotodioscin, protodioscin, and two new sulfated saponins, methylprototribestin and prototribestin, have been isolated from the stem of Fadogia Agrestris. The structures of the new compounds were elucidated on the basis of 1D and 2D (DQF-COSY, TOCSY, HSQC-TOCSY, HSQC, HMBC, ROESY) NMR data, ESI mass spectra and chemical transformation.
Fadogia Agrestris plant contains only trace amounts of the ACTIVE STEROIDAL SAPONINS. The stem contains the highest percentage of these particular steroidal sapogenins, so this is the part of the plant used when extracting the active. The whole STEM itself does not contain enough active, let alone WHOLE PLANT MATERIAL.
THIS IS TRUE??
10-19-2010, 11:57 AM
I'm in 14 days of NTBM Fadogia product HCGenerate...
Fadogia f***ing rocks... Nothing at all like other test boosters I've used. Nothing. I'm never using any T booster without Fadogia in it you can clearly separate this thing from other boosters without it.
10-19-2010, 12:06 PM
10-19-2010, 12:33 PM
let's not count out or sleep on Man Sports Primal Male:
Fadogia Agrestis SE 15000mg(Alkanoids, Saponins, Anthraquinones and Flavonoids)
Eucommia Ulmoides SE 1200mg
Epimedium SE 450mg
Indole 3 Carbinol 300mg
Copper Orotate 3mg
Vitamin B-6 10MG
but i myself gotta get some of that HCGenerate to add to my clomid during p.c.t after my d-zine/m-lmg run.
10-19-2010, 12:54 PM
10-19-2010, 03:08 PM
10-21-2010, 06:33 AM
I also looked into Primal Male - never really given the product much thought, but seems it could be useful during cycle and in PCT I have to give it a try during my next run. (If I can't get my hands on HCGenerate that is )
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10-21-2010, 07:45 AM
10-21-2010, 07:49 AM
10-22-2010, 01:00 PM
I think you are trying to say that you will have it identification verified through a lab with a testing standard.
We (Omega Sports) paid to have this testing standard developed. We are the only company ever to invest any money into this herb.
No one is truly going to standardize this herb...they are all waiting on Yakuba to do it for them and publish his results.
BTW, I do not appreciate the derogatory and false things posted about me/my company and products on Elite Fitness where I cannot post and defend anything.
You also need to remove your signature as you are not a paying sponsor here.
10-22-2010, 05:13 PM
Did i mention 100% guarantee on every product.
Okay... I am done.
10-23-2010, 09:13 AM
Actually, Fadogia was introduced by Carl Lanore from Super Human Radio. Anthony Roberts was the first to actually use it in a product, followed by Omega Sports and then MAN.
10-23-2010, 03:23 PM
10-23-2010, 10:19 PM
10-25-2010, 12:52 PM
10-26-2010, 02:27 AM
TO be honest, I think it would be more professional to contact NTBM personally rather than post in threads. IMO
10-26-2010, 04:24 PM
Atleast there PH's work consistently and not just randomly. Also Custom i though you were better than this call out bs and would have just contacted them through some other means and they are a sponsor here btw
10-26-2010, 04:35 PM
I am not calling out anyone; just trying to clarify things.
Thank you for the sponsor update. AM continues to grow!
10-26-2010, 08:21 PM
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