The aqueous extract of Fadogia agrestis stem increased blood testosterone?

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Skigazzi View Post
    Those figures are from a rat study, human equivalency dosing for rates to humans is about 6 - 1, so a rat taking 18mg/kg = a human dose of 3mg/kg.
    I would love to see a source to the 6 - 1 ratio

  4. As far as Fadogia Agrestis goes, I have been using a product called HCGenerate that contains it.

    I am pretty pleased with it. Both in libido support and function. Great to add in pct or even the tail end of a ds cycle.

    Contains 1000mg of FA per serving.

    Profile is as follows-
    HCGenerate:Supplement facts
    Serving size: 5 capsules x 30 servings per container.

    Fadogia Agrestis.................1000m g
    Fenugreek PE (50% testofen).....1000mg
    3,4 Divanillyltetrahydrofuran....5 00mg
    Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestre: 500mg
    Vitamin E.......................200mg
    LJ:100........................ ..100mg
    Zinc.......................... ..7mg

  5. i use the orotine regular and have used blueprint which i liked also.also hooked some working buddies up with at2,which is good too.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Stevensavage View Post
    I would love to see a source to the 6 - 1 ratio
    Just saw the question...Im only 6 months late, hopefully you used google while waiting, if not:

    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/G.../ucm078932.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS View Post
    As far as Fadogia Agrestis goes, I have been using a product called HCGenerate that contains it.

    I am pretty pleased with it. Both in libido support and function. Great to add in pct or even the tail end of a ds cycle.

    Contains 1000mg of FA per serving.

    Profile is as follows-
    HCGenerate:Supplement facts
    Serving size: 5 capsules x 30 servings per container.

    Fadogia Agrestis.................1000m g
    Fenugreek PE (50% testofen).....1000mg
    3,4 Divanillyltetrahydrofuran....5 00mg
    Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestre: 500mg
    Vitamin E.......................200mg
    LJ:100........................ ..100mg
    Zinc.......................... ..7mg
    Used and loved it!
    doing my own thang!

  8. It is in bioforge promax aswell i have 2 bottles of it ready to go..

    Supplement fact per 2 caps

    Coleus Forskohlil(20%forskolin)200mg
    Fadogia Agrestis PE 1000mg
    7 methoxyflavone(indofine certified)100mg
    Cholecalciferol-vitamin D 1000iu

    Thats the amounts per 2 caps but you take 3 caps a day so add another 50% on to each amount.

    Hope it works and will keep you guys posted.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Skigazzi View Post
    Just saw the question...Im only 6 months late, hopefully you used google while waiting, if not:

    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/G.../ucm078932.pdf

    Page 10.
    damn it!

  10. Quote Originally Posted by rob211080 View Post
    It is in bioforge promax aswell i have 2 bottles of it ready to go..

    Supplement fact per 2 caps

    Coleus Forskohlil(20%forskolin)200mg
    Fadogia Agrestis PE 1000mg
    7 methoxyflavone(indofine certified)100mg
    Cholecalciferol-vitamin D 1000iu

    Thats the amounts per 2 caps but you take 3 caps a day so add another 50% on to each amount.

    Hope it works and will keep you guys posted.

    like the website says:

    Coleus Forskohlii (20% forskolin, HPLC tested) - 300mg

    Fadogia Agrestis PE (Chromadex certified) -1500mg

    7-methoxyflavone (Indofine Chemicals certified) -150mg

    Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3) -1500UI
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    Used and loved it!
    This Stuff is expensive

  12. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    This Stuff is expensive
    You can get 15% off by using needto139 at checkout.
    doing my own thang!

  13. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    This Stuff is expensive
    Just a tad over the norm(40-50) in my book for a 30 day supply.

    Guys are paying 50 bucks for bioforge, and HCGenerate at the very least is comparable.

    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    You can get 15% off by using needto139 at checkout.
    30 days supply at 5 caps(which is more than enough from my usage) for 55 bucks.

    Alot cheaper than some of the stuff selling around here.

    Quality is top notch, if you havent used it, dont dismiss the power of a great formula with the highest quality raws.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    You can get 15% off by using needto139 at checkout.
    sweet!

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS View Post
    Just a tad over the norm(40-50) in my book for a 30 day supply.

    Guys are paying 50 bucks for bioforge, and HCGenerate at the very least is comparable.



    30 days supply at 5 caps(which is more than enough from my usage) for 55 bucks.

    Alot cheaper than some of the stuff selling around here.

    Quality is top notch, if you havent used it, dont dismiss the power of a great formula with the highest quality raws.
    I Never heard about this company "Quality is top notch" maybe later i give a test.

  16. I just used bridge from these guys, and it was good stuf.

    I have a bottle of hcgenerate, but I'm not sure when I want to use it. I have a hard time believing it is going to help on cycle. I just cant grasp my mind around that.

    hmmm...decisions, decisions.....

  17. Interesting no one has come out with bulk source of Fadogia yet

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Interesting no one has come out with bulk source of Fadogia yet
    It would be really hard to do that man.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by needtogetmuscle View Post
    It would be really hard to do that man.
    I think iForce can bring this in bulk so why you say is hard?

    Any interest in bulk Fadogia Agrestis?

  20. As far as i know, now only one company can get pure fadogia extract.... guess who?
    Gause institute member

    Need2slin designer.Product designer/ N2BM admin.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by russianstar View Post
    As far as i know, now only one company can get pure fadogia extract.... guess who?
    The guy who wears the lab coat in the muscletech ads?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    I think iForce can bring this in bulk so why you say is hard?

    Any interest in bulk Fadogia Agrestis?
    I would think unless its patented, it would be open to whoever can source it and bring it out under their own label?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    I would think unless its patented, it would be open to whoever can source it and bring it out under their own label?
    Very true however in about a month Needtobuildmuscle.inc is going to standardize its Fadoga extract and it will now have a patten name for its standard of fadoga extract.

    For what it is worth there is a bunch of Fadogia products out there now. Well more like a small handful of them. I know Omega labs has standerdized there version of fadogia and truthfully I know nothing of how they make there's other then it says "Extracted to contain a full spectrum of alkaloids, saponins, anthraquinones and flavonoids"

    I think standardizing what you have is a great way to let others know you have something that is different from the rest and also at the same time you have a "standard" of a extract that is the same every time... Letting people know that its not just "fadogia" but that it is your standard of the fadogia and thus giving everyone something to use as a standard against another person product.

    Ok anyway so like I was saying there is a handful of products out there with Fadogia in them and anyone's guess is as good as mine when it comes to whats good and what is not. I have not heard to many people complain about anyones brand. I like to try and stick to my own **** anyway..

    So with that being said. Needtobuildmuscle uses its own standard extract of the plant and NTBM uses just the "root" or what most people know as or call the stem of the plant and that is it. The rest of the plant is tossed out and who knows maybe some one else is getting the rest of the plant and that is what there standard is..

    NTBM uses the stem/root and the stem/root only. This does make it a hell of a lot more costly for us and it takes a hell of a lot more Fadogia to do it this way but so be it. That is how I wanted my product made and how its always going to be made.

    Does it make a difference? If you ask the users of my product I think they will tell you it makes a huge difference. Ask others and Maybe they will have something different to say. For me the only people I care about is the people using the product or the people who have used the product. If you have not used NTBM hcgenerate well then you are not only missing out but you are not speaking out of experience but rather just your opinion based off what ever else except experience.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by needtogetmuscle View Post
    Very true however in about a month Needtobuildmuscle.inc is going to standardize its Fadoga extract and it will now have a patten name for its standard of fadoga extract.
    Once that happens... this will be the response to visit NTBM's website



    In not-so-difference contrast... here is the current scene to purchase HCGenerate before the patents are filed



    HCGenerate, as I detailed in my journal and will continue to do so, is a superlative example of excellence in supplementation.

  25. HCGenerate is my choice for OTC on-cycle shutdown prevention.

    I wont run a cycle without it.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS View Post
    HCGenerate is my choice for OTC on-cycle shutdown prevention.

    I wont run a cycle without it.
    So some things experience and TV campaign ads have taught me to never leave the house without = credit card and HCGenerate!

  27. The known furostanol steroidal saponins methylprotodioscin, protodioscin, and two new sulfated saponins, methylprototribestin and prototribestin, have been isolated from the stem of Fadogia Agrestris. The structures of the new compounds were elucidated on the basis of 1D and 2D (DQF-COSY, TOCSY, HSQC-TOCSY, HSQC, HMBC, ROESY) NMR data, ESI mass spectra and chemical transformation.

    Fadogia Agrestris plant contains only trace amounts of the ACTIVE STEROIDAL SAPONINS. The stem contains the highest percentage of these particular steroidal sapogenins, so this is the part of the plant used when extracting the active. The whole STEM itself does not contain enough active, let alone WHOLE PLANT MATERIAL.

    THIS IS TRUE??

  28. Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    The known furostanol steroidal saponins methylprotodioscin, protodioscin, and two new sulfated saponins, methylprototribestin and prototribestin, have been isolated from the stem of Fadogia Agrestris. The structures of the new compounds were elucidated on the basis of 1D and 2D (DQF-COSY, TOCSY, HSQC-TOCSY, HSQC, HMBC, ROESY) NMR data, ESI mass spectra and chemical transformation.

    Fadogia Agrestris plant contains only trace amounts of the ACTIVE STEROIDAL SAPONINS. The stem contains the highest percentage of these particular steroidal sapogenins, so this is the part of the plant used when extracting the active. The whole STEM itself does not contain enough active, let alone WHOLE PLANT MATERIAL.

    THIS IS TRUE??
    How credible is the source?

    I'm in 14 days of NTBM Fadogia product HCGenerate...

    Fadogia f***ing rocks... Nothing at all like other test boosters I've used. Nothing. I'm never using any T booster without Fadogia in it you can clearly separate this thing from other boosters without it.

  29. I see this in another forum i wish test Fadogia in bulk

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS View Post
    As far as Fadogia Agrestis goes, I have been using a product called HCGenerate that contains it.

    I am pretty pleased with it. Both in libido support and function. Great to add in pct or even the tail end of a ds cycle.

    Contains 1000mg of FA per serving.

    Profile is as follows-
    HCGenerate:Supplement facts
    Serving size: 5 capsules x 30 servings per container.

    Fadogia Agrestis.................1000m g
    Fenugreek PE (50% testofen).....1000mg
    3,4 Divanillyltetrahydrofuran....5 00mg
    Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestre: 500mg
    Vitamin E.......................200mg
    LJ:100........................ ..100mg
    Zinc.......................... ..7mg

    let's not count out or sleep on Man Sports Primal Male:

    Fadogia Agrestis SE 15000mg(Alkanoids, Saponins, Anthraquinones and Flavonoids)

    Eucommia Ulmoides SE 1200mg

    Epimedium SE 450mg

    Indole 3 Carbinol 300mg

    Zinc 30mg

    Copper Orotate 3mg

    Vitamin B-6 10MG

    just $29.99

    but i myself gotta get some of that HCGenerate to add to my clomid during p.c.t after my d-zine/m-lmg run.
  

  
 

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