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    Ephedrine Ban


    Whats happening with this?

    First ephedra products got banned then they come back and now they're talking about banning eph hcl products. I read the rules and it doesn't say anything about ephedrine and it is still legal for purchase.

    What is gonna happen to ephedrine hcl's status? Are we allowed to discuss where it can be pruchased now (while its still legal)?

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    I know that as a decongestant in Canada, its legal, but not the herbal, and the US, I am not sure, but some ephedra alkaloids are not banned, it's complicated, but hcl is still legal for now.
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    ephedrine is the pharamceutical active ingredient in ephedra and is completely legal in the US!
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    I know ephedrine HCl is legal *NOW*, but there seems to be a ban coming up right around the corner...I think I am just as confused as everyone else...
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    My understanding is that ephedra products were banned from being sold as weightloss diet aids. So they were originally pulled to re-evaluate ,re-lable and redirect the marketing focus.

    Products like ephedrine hcl or epedrine sulfate are listed as fda watched chemicals in terms of contolling illegal meth manufacture.
    So, the intelligence of the supp community is; if you don't want to have to tow the fda line "ie: making lists on everyone and reporting to the fda", The clear choice is to voluntarily stop selling the products that are on the "hot list" thereby protecting the identity of the end user(as well as any future fda harassment tactics) and keeping some integrity in the market place. I hope!
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    I can get it for for now from the site below which seems to be well regarded at Lyle Mcdonald's site.

    ElitenetPharmacy Home Page

    but am worried that if I order it now it will become illegal. What happens when you buy something when it is legal but then have it still after a ban. It makes no sense to me to buy stuff up until a certain date and then if you have it immediately after for it to be an arrestable offence.

    Also, what is the law wrt to PH's which might get banned? If I buy them now to stock up is there any direction on what happens if you have them in your posession AFTER they get banned again?

    Is there are any info out there on the law relating to these things?
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    If you take it as fat loss aids its not legal. But I know the herb mahuang itself is banned, but since the demand is very big, some companies are extracting from other sources that is different alkaloids and legal. Correct me if I am wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercellular
    I can get it for for now from the site below which seems to be well regarded at Lyle Mcdonald's site.

    ElitenetPharmacy Home Page

    but am worried that if I order it now it will become illegal. What happens when you buy something when it is legal but then have it still after a ban. It makes no sense to me to buy stuff up until a certain date and then if you have it immediately after for it to be an arrestable offence.

    Also, what is the law wrt to PH's which might get banned? If I buy them now to stock up is there any direction on what happens if you have them in your posession AFTER they get banned again?

    Is there are any info out there on the law relating to these things?
    The currnet laws that make possetion of class I steroids a crime,
    were ruled to also include any substance that converts chemically to, or resembles any previously listed substance( the earlier phs and M1t). The current buzz has been a call to examine the distribution of any substance that may give a person a competetive advantage in a sanctioned sporting event.(ie cheating) When a trainer or health professional or chemist helps an anthlete chemically cheat, they will be prosecuted using all known laws. This is really a ruling or approach to law enforcement rather than an actual booked law or ban.
    The people who profit from the sale of these substances(and their marketing claims) are at a clear risk of indictment. There are less risky ways for generating profits so, you will not see a furure of chemically synthetic anabolic hormones.
    Ephedra is also a hot substance. We all know it works. It is just that the harrasment that the market maker will have to endure make it less attractive to distribute. The lables and the marketing have to make no claims to effacy, with out inviting both civil and criminal legal action. The supplement market lives by its own hype. Ephedra without the hype is just a plant that helps you breathe more clearly.
    Possesion of DEA listed substance is illegal regardless of its inception into the act. All that weed my grandfather saved from 1935 would still be illegal to posses today.
    You can still legally grow epedra or sida cordifilia, harvest and extract it's active ingredients for your own personal use.
    Just don't label it "miracle fat loss cure" and sell it to highschool athletes on Ebay.
    Substance that are not designed specifically for athletes but, aging seniors who want restore their vigor(hgh,dhea) will be getting a regulated pass, so far.(Jason Grimsley and David Segeu not with standing)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercellular
    If I buy them now to stock up is there any direction on what happens if you have them in your posession AFTER they get banned again?

    Is there are any info out there on the law relating to these things?
    don't be scared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anabolicrhino
    The people who profit from the sale of these substances(and their marketing claims) are at a clear risk of indictment.
    Just don't label it "miracle fat loss cure" and sell it to highschool athletes on Ebay.
    So if someone comes out with a new PH and he himself makes no claims to it being a muscle builder but everyone knows it will have that effect will that be ok and be legal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercellular

    but am worried that if I order it now it will become illegal. What happens when you buy something when it is legal but then have it still after a ban. It makes no sense to me to buy stuff up until a certain date and then if you have it immediately after for it to be an arrestable offence.

    Also, what is the law wrt to PH's which might get banned? If I buy them now to stock up is there any direction on what happens if you have them in your posession AFTER they get banned again?

    Is there are any info out there on the law relating to these things?

    idont think if you get stop by a local police youre going to have any problems, just tell them they are vitamins or just supplements(im talking of PH), the only way that you can get busted is if youre openly selling and making a profit and someone complains about it. I have several friends that are cops and they told me that i should worry about that, there are only a few cops that now about them and they are the ones that are using also LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercellular
    So if someone comes out with a new PH and he himself makes no claims to it being a muscle builder but everyone knows it will have that effect will that be ok and be legal?
    Technically pro hormones are illegal if they convert or resemble the action or chemisrty of any similarly banned substance.

    The products on the market now are not pro-hormones.

    They are mostly unlisted steroids from the progestin family.
    Their current history is that of being promoted for anabolic hypertrophy. This would be enough of a link to move for indictement. A search and seizer raid will be soon to follow.

    It would be legal to promote anything that does not mimick the effects of any banned substance. so you can say " strongest legal natural choice,..and be relatively safe, I hope!
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    The law makes no ****ing sense at all. How the **** can ephedrine be considerd bad for the heart yet stuff like alcohol and ****ing viagra which is a lot worse still be allowed for sale? This kinda **** really pisses me off.

    Anyway I picked up some ephedrine from elitenetpharmacy and some provigil while I was at it since it seemed a good price. Will let you guys know when it arrives...

    Actually one more question, even if ephedrine is legal what would happen if I order about a 100 bottles from that site (so 100,000 tablets!!!). would that make it illegal being seen perhaps as intent to make my own meth lab? Just how does this kind of thing get determined. I know there are guidelines for how much cocaine etc you can carry which defines whether you are a user or a dealer but is there a threshold for ephedrine where it crosses from being a legal (for now) supplement into an illegal attempt to convert it into meth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercellular
    The law makes no ****ing sense at all. How the **** can ephedrine be considerd bad for the heart yet stuff like alcohol and ****ing viagra which is a lot worse still be allowed for sale? This kinda **** really pisses me off.

    Anyway I picked up some ephedrine from elitenetpharmacy and some provigil while I was at it since it seemed a good price. Will let you guys know when it arrives...

    Actually one more question, even if ephedrine is legal what would happen if I order about a 100 bottles from that site (so 100,000 tablets!!!). would that make it illegal being seen perhaps as intent to make my own meth lab? Just how does this kind of thing get determined. I know there are guidelines for how much cocaine etc you can carry which defines whether you are a user or a dealer but is there a threshold for ephedrine where it crosses from being a legal (for now) supplement into an illegal attempt to convert it into meth?
    Not sure about the law, but the websites i get mine from set a limit of like 4 bottles per month or something like that.
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    ****ing tried posting before and it didn't go through

    Anyway I went ahead and picked up some ephedrine and modafinil from elitenetpharmacy and will update when they arrive.

    Talking about the law here's another question. I know there are guideline sgiven to the Police about the amount of heroin/coke that defines someone as a user or a dealer.

    Well epehdrine is legal but is it legal up to a point? in other words what if instead of 1 bottle of a 1000 tabs I had ordered 100 bottles. Can something which is legal become illegal under that situation (possibly because they suspect you are gonna use it to convert into meth). Or does it remain legal until it actually is converted into meth?

    The gov't is ****ed btw when they ban ephedrine. how the **** can they justify that when drugs like alcohol and ****ing viagra are far worse for the heart? Guess all these fat, alocoholic mother****ers who can't get it up ban what they want and when they want.
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    ****ing tried posting before and it didn't go through

    Anyway I went ahead and picked up some ephedrine and modafinil from elitenetpharmacy and will update when they arrive.

    Talking about the law here's another question. I know there are guideline sgiven to the Police about the amount of heroin/coke that defines someone as a user or a dealer.

    Well epehdrine is legal but is it legal up to a point? in other words what if instead of 1 bottle of a 1000 tabs I had ordered 100 bottles. Can something which is legal become illegal under that situation (possibly because they suspect you are gonna use it to convert into meth). Or does it remain legal until it actually is converted into meth?

    The gov't is ****ed btw when they ban ephedrine. how the **** can they justify that when drugs like alcohol and ****ing viagra are far worse for the heart? Guess all these fat, alocoholic mother****ers who can't get it up ban what they want and when they want.
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    ****ing tried posting before and it didn't go through

    Anyway I went ahead and picked up some ephedrine and modafinil from elitenetpharmacy and will update when they arrive.

    Talking about the law here's another question. I know there are guideline sgiven to the Police about the amount of heroin/coke that defines someone as a user or a dealer.

    Well epehdrine is legal but is it legal up to a point? in other words what if instead of 1 bottle of a 1000 tabs I had ordered 100 bottles. Can something which is legal become illegal under that situation (possibly because they suspect you are gonna use it to convert into meth). Or does it remain legal until it actually is converted into meth?

    The gov't is ****ed btw when they ban ephedrine. how the **** can they justify that when drugs like alcohol and ****ing viagra are far worse for the heart? Guess all these fat, alocoholic mother****ers who can't get it up ban what they want and when they want.
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    police/dea/local drug enforcement agency can open an investigation and you can get charged with drug paraphernalia.
    And why would you whant to buy 1000 tabs? just as adviced try to keep things simple and dont attract atension to your self by buying big amounts remember most of this purchases are made with credit card and credit card purchases are traceable.


    LOL i sound a bit paranoid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercellular
    ****ing tried posting before and it didn't go through

    Anyway I went ahead and picked up some ephedrine and modafinil from elitenetpharmacy and will update when they arrive.

    Talking about the law here's another question. I know there are guideline sgiven to the Police about the amount of heroin/coke that defines someone as a user or a dealer.

    Well epehdrine is legal but is it legal up to a point? in other words what if instead of 1 bottle of a 1000 tabs I had ordered 100 bottles. Can something which is legal become illegal under that situation (possibly because they suspect you are gonna use it to convert into meth). Or does it remain legal until it actually is converted into meth?

    The gov't is ****ed btw when they ban ephedrine. how the **** can they justify that when drugs like alcohol and ****ing viagra are far worse for the heart? Guess all these fat, alocoholic mother****ers who can't get it up ban what they want and when they want.
    I was under the impression that source posting was bad.
    Anyways. Buy what you need for the time period alloted. Attracting attention is not needed. Better to squeak by sneakily and feel great for having gotten away with it, than rubbing it in their face until they figure a way to get you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotripped
    I was under the impression that source posting was bad.
    Anyways. Buy what you need for the time period alloted. Attracting attention is not needed. Better to squeak by sneakily and feel great for having gotten away with it, than rubbing it in their face until they figure a way to get you.
    i agree with that .

    Also Supercellular you dont have to used f*** in every sentence, we understand that this in some twisted way this bothers you, but have to learn to comunicate with other with out using somany badwords.

    sincerely i dont give a **** if you use bad words its just some advice
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    Makes you sound less educated. And therefore less respected in a mainly brainy/brauny community.
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    Lol - I will endeavour to conduct myself with gretaer decorum then

    Don't think ephedrine counts as source posting btw since it is legal but thats why I checked in my first post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercellular
    I can get it for for now from the site below which seems to be well regarded at Lyle Mcdonald's site.

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    i think this count as source posting
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    Thats like saying linking to amazon.com is source posting isn't it? Its legal stuff after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercellular
    ****ing tried posting before and it didn't go through

    Anyway I went ahead and picked up some ephedrine and modafinil from elitenetpharmacy and will update when they arrive.

    Talking about the law here's another question. I know there are guideline sgiven to the Police about the amount of heroin/coke that defines someone as a user or a dealer.

    Well epehdrine is legal but is it legal up to a point? in other words what if instead of 1 bottle of a 1000 tabs I had ordered 100 bottles. Can something which is legal become illegal under that situation (possibly because they suspect you are gonna use it to convert into meth). Or does it remain legal until it actually is converted into meth?

    The gov't is ****ed btw when they ban ephedrine. how the **** can they justify that when drugs like alcohol and ****ing viagra are far worse for the heart? Guess all these fat, alocoholic mother****ers who can't get it up ban what they want and when they want.

    (1) There are no guidelines to determine a user from a dealer. The police can charge you however they want, as long as they catch you with a banned substance. Residual powder is also enough to charge aperson with possession. The prosecutor has the most discretion in what to actually pursue because they are th e ones who have to persuade a jury to convict you as a dealer. Again there are no guidelines, there are however mandatory minimum sentences based on the amount in your possession.

    (2) Ephedrine is not banned. ephedra is banned. Two different substances. If you have 1000 tablets of ephedrine the police can charge you with having the precursors for manufacturing of methamphetamine. However, one usually also has to have at least some of th eother ingredients, such as anhydrous ammonia, batteries, etc...
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    Law 74 - Thansk for the clarification.

    Anyway my package came today so that should be enough ephedrine to last me a couple of years I would have thought.
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