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  1. Personally I find your idealism in this topic not in tune with real world expectations. I am all for top-notch products through a means of rigid quality testing procedures, but who isn't? The fact of the matter is that you will never find products completely pure 100% of the time, and anyone in business will tell you that (unless they are part of the sales team) Your expectations of absolute and complete purity and standards testing will not always be met IMO, regardless of what company it is. I take this as a part of the way a business functions, whatever their product or service may be. We can only seek to find companies that minimize this margin of error to a degree that satisfies us personally, as consumers.

    This leaves us with the gray area, which is reality, not black and white idealism. You choose to not trust this company because of 3 products that contained trace amounts of DHEA, and that is fine. IMO that is not enough of a basis to speculate as to the quality of all of their products and/or the integrity of the company. If more tests were done on various products and/or the chemical makeup of the products tested were grossly inaccurate then I could say I don't trust them, but until that time I think of it as an example of the peanut warning as stated above.


  2. woo, pragmatism... I LOVE it... karma fo yo ass you porkchoppin sumbitch
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  3. There are currently 200 supp. companies fighting for business. I don't see why I would insist on buying from one that had three products failing a purity test...

    Hope you get my point.

  4. Shouldn't you guys be sleeping by now anyway?

  5. I do get your point, now let's put this in context:

    The product asked for was HMB. There are very few companies who sell pure HMB products, and even fewer who do so at a reasonable price. You'll find that HMB is patented to one company: Iowa State University.

    http://www.hmb-mti.com/patent.cfm

    All raws for HMB must come from this place, so we could more than likely assume that either all of their HMB is flawed, or that purity is decent and all manufacturers producing HMB products use their HMB (as by US patent law). I would think this would mean that we can safely say the HMB is probably pure, but the question remains of the rest of the product (fillers, binders, so on). Even though the trace amounts of PH's found in other products in the study above (.01 to 190 um/m) would certainly not affect humans endocrine system in any measurable way other than possibly a false positive, I see your ideals a a natural would then prevent you from buying Ultimate Nutrition. Well, lucky day, Wojo doesn't seem to care much about that, but I think it's safe bet to say he's at least getting the HMB if nothing else.
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  6. Originally posted by RippedUp
    Shouldn't you guys be sleeping by now anyway?
    .... yes...




    aw hell, just can't though, not when weave is still in such a dancin' mood!


  7. lol, I should absolutely be sleeping right now, yeah

  8. Here's something I have been told by an industry insider.

    MTI own the patent, which is a US patent. There are European patents on the product too, but not as specific or severe as in the USA.

    It is the licensing of HMB which makes the US brands so expensive and not the manufacturing of the actual material.

    Another interesting thing, is that EAS have the rights to use HMB under license, which is common knowledge. However, they apparantly do not buy their material from MTI labs, but an alternative source which might be cheaper who might actually make the material for MTI labs as well.

  9. Originally posted by RippedUp
    There are currently 200 supp. companies fighting for business. I don't see why I would insist on buying from one that had three products failing a purity test...

    Hope you get my point.
    But your point fails to recognize that 20% of the 643 products they tested were contaminated. That list is a sample of what was found, not the whole list. So if you think its just those 3 companies your sadly mistaken. CHances are if you use a product that makes hormonal supps, you have about 1 in 5 chance that it will be contaminated with trace amounts. THis goes for all of them, not just those three. Your failing to look at the big picture. And no, Metrx doesn't test every batch.
    For answers to board issues, read the Suggestion and News forum at the bottom of the main page.

  10. Here is a reply I got a few months ago from a well respected industry insider. I know we should take everything with a grain of salt, but still, something interesting to point out.

    (on another note, programs such as Consumerlab.com test products for such impurities. [PHs etc.] And if you look at the results, you see that a lot of products that passed the test are put out by companies that also sell PHs. There is no excuse for such a thing.)

    "MET-Rx....what is on the label is in the product. Each and every batch gets tested befoe it is shipped out. If it doesn't meet claim - it is destroyed - period. As I have explained many times - a compnay this size MUST adhere to label claim as they are in the face of the regulatory agencies (due to size) and they have a huge budget that is spent each year on a QA/QC program to insure the quality of the product.

    Your comment about fillers - not from a reputable compnay - the product MUST meet label claim and they would NOT use a lesser quality protein - true fact is that all most all of the top quality proteins (isolates and concentrates) are about the same cost today (it is not like a few years ago when prices had big difference margins) - and simply put - if you are dealing with one of the larger compnaies - they will NOT risk using a cheaper protein to save a few pennies."

  11. why not reveal the identity of the "insider"? was he/she speaking on condition of anonymity? if so, why?

  12. It was a personal email. I'd rather not reveal his identity as it is somewhat unethical.

    Thanks.

  13. you're welcome ...if the individual is well respected, I don't see the problem, especially as what you quoted is nothing negative. if it's a personal email, why share any of it at all in a forum setting? you saw fit to post a part of it, sure, but it doesn't mean anything IMO. nothing personal bro, it's just that this halfway approach of "here's some of what was said by some dood in an email" goes against my grain a little.

  14. Originally posted by Biggin
    why share any of it at all in a forum setting? 
    Because this, IMO, is the type of info I would be the most interested in - the behind the scenes of what is happening in the supp. industry, by pple who work there.

    As a consumer of nutritional supplements, I would want to find out who is/is not reputable etc. as much as I can - so I can make better/safer/cleaner choices as far as my supplement regimen is concerned.

    If you don't find that email I posted above interesting, and worthy of being posted, then this is quite disappointing.. But that's just me.

     

     

     

  15. Originally posted by wojo
    ok i was recently turned onto ultimate nutrition by another members suggestion..im just curious how many people out there have tried there stuff..they have a real cheap hmb(120 caps of 750mgs) and cla(90 caps of 1000mgs for 75-80% cla) now this is exactly what iu have been looking for both need to be taken in high dosages but im worried this is too good to be true can anyone help me out?
    I've used their egg protein recently. It's not the best tasting protein but it tastes alright mixed half and half with a decent whey protein. They're Whey protein tastes good. I also tried their creatine about 5 years ago. The creatine was a little grainy and settled a little too quickly but that was prior to the existence of micronized creatine, so that may have changed. I think their products are lower priced because they're a manufacturer and don't seem to spend megabucks on advertising. They may cut some corners??? It's worth trying some of they're stuff since it's not that expensive anyway.

  16. Originally posted by RippedUp




    If you don't find that email I posted above interesting, and worthy of being posted, then this is quite disappointing.. But that's just me.

    well, it's not that it's uninteresting, but if you yourself said you'd take it with a grain of salt... and you're the one that talked to him... then what should I think when I don't even know the full extent of the conversation or more importantly who the spokesperson even was, and am allowed only a brief excerpt? take it with a 40lb bag of Morton I suppose. anyway, enough of my attitude, I'll stop ridin yer nuts bro

  17. Originally posted by Biggin
    take it with a 40lb bag of Morton
    ROFL...


    As for Ultimate Nutrition...I've used their enzymes in the past, and they were very high quality. That's the only product from them that I've used, so I can't really comment on their HMB and CLA which you were interested in wojo. On a side note, their main office is 20 minutes away from my house.


    As for this whole purity conversation, I agree with bobo, weave and biggin. Virtually nothing is 100% pure. It's a sick and sad world, but hey, if u don't like it, I'm sure you can always hop a space shuttle to another planet with a quality control system better than ours.

  18. ok fellas i appreciate all ur help ..gonna go for it and see what happens
  19. Nelson
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    Originally posted by RippedUp
    Each and every batch gets tested befoe it is shipped out. If it doesn't meet claim - it is destroyed - period. As I have explained many times - a compnay this size MUST adhere to label claim as they are in the face of the regulatory agencies (due to size) and they have a huge budget that is spent each year on a QA/QC program to insure the quality of the product. i]
    I find it hard to believe that any company would test EVERY batch before shipping it out. Sure it`s feasible to test every batch, but it`s also a very time consuming & costly measure to implement. If this were the case, we would be paying even more for the product than we are now.

  20. Here's to illustrate my point in this thread.

    (The company in question is not Ultimate Nut.)

  21. I use ultimate nutrition's whey concentrate, which is among the cheapest. I feel I get my money's worth... That is, unless I compare with proteincustomizer's prices, but that's mail-order and Ultimate is from a store, so let's not go there.

    I had a 300g creatine jar come with my last 5-lb whey. It seems OK. It increased my lifts and bodyweight as creatine is supposed to.

    As for the products wojo's asking about, well I don't know... But I get the impression his money isn't wholly thrown away...

  22. Very interesting thread. I am concerned about contamination, although perhaps not to the same extent as RippedUp. I believe dsade put it well that this could be like the "peanut contamination" labels we have all been seeing lately. It would seem the seriousness of this problem depends on the extent that you are concerned about tiny amounts of prohormone contamination (assuming that is the only contamination, which may not be the case).
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