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What the hell is in this stuff? Soon as I took it, pimples on my shoulders and face. Also, for a little while after taking my two pills x 2 times a day, I notice loss of libido and I get drowsy. Anyone else have these issues? Does it get better?
 

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I've never tried Cissus, but it sounds like you should discontinue use of it. Better to absorb the cost of it than deal with the multiple sides...
 
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Most feedback I've read have been fairly positive on cissus. There was some anecdotal reports of it having some anabolic properties, ala "the cissus pump" and some minor acne break outs, but none to the extent of what you are saying and experiencing. Mostly, I've just seen people experiencing some real healthy joint pain relief.
 

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My recommendation for joint problems is MSM. But, if you have something serious like arthritis, you'll need something else...
 

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I'll take anything and everything I can for my joints. They get beat on.
 
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MSM doesn't hold a candle to Cissus for joint pain & healing IMO. It is an aid for maintaining normal joint health but has no intrinsic "healing" properties. If you are xperiencing unbearable sides, just discontinue use. Is that the only change you have made to supps and diet?

"MSM is sold as a treatment for pain and inflammation from rheumatoid arthritis, osteoarthritis, fibromyalgia and gout. There is little scientific data on MSM’s safety or benefits. A few animal studies suggest that MSM may have an anti-inflammatory effect, but there are no published trials demonstrating its effectiveness or safety in human beings, “Is MSM as good as it sounds?”, Harvard Health Online, (August 2002).
In a statement to the Arthritis Foundation, Stanley Jacob, MD, one of the developers of MSM, says MSM’s major benefit for those with OA and RA is pain relief. It hasn’t been shown to preserve cartilage or to stop disease progression or joint destruction. Common side effects of taking MSM are diarrhea, stomach upsets or mild cramps. "
 

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Thats been my only change. I'm going to continue use anyway. Gotta heal.
 
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Thats been my only change. I'm going to continue use anyway. Gotta heal.
I wish you a speedy recovery. Anecdotally, Cissus has done wonders for my shin splints and shoulder at 6 caps ed with no sides save for some add'l gas. Smelly suckers too.
 

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MSM doesn't hold a candle to Cissus for joint pain & healing IMO. It is an aid for maintaining normal joint health but has no intrinsic "healing" properties. If you are xperiencing unbearable sides, just discontinue use. Is that the only change you have made to supps and diet?

"MSM is sold as a treatment for pain and inflammation from rheumatoid arthritis, osteoarthritis, fibromyalgia and gout. There is little scientific data on MSM’s safety or benefits. A few animal studies suggest that MSM may have an anti-inflammatory effect, but there are no published trials demonstrating its effectiveness or safety in human beings, “Is MSM as good as it sounds?”, Harvard Health Online, (August 2002).
In a statement to the Arthritis Foundation, Stanley Jacob, MD, one of the developers of MSM, says MSM’s major benefit for those with OA and RA is pain relief. It hasn’t been shown to preserve cartilage or to stop disease progression or joint destruction. Common side effects of taking MSM are diarrhea, stomach upsets or mild cramps. "
MSM is seriously overhyped in the contexts you've highlighted and anyone with these serious conditions are unlikely to receive any noticeable benefit. Although, I haven't had any side effects from using MSM for the occasional knee discomfort. Well, I do remember this one time I thought my skin felt clay-like...
 
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I highly doubt these sides are a result of Cissus.

If your breaking out, its hard to believe your libido is down, if anything it would be up... from what I've seen, and logically.

However, I haven't heard of either of these sides before... Cissus as an anabolic is fairly light, so I'm not sure if these effects are from the product
 
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Very odd indeed - Cissus is a mild anabolic for me and always succeeds in pushing my libido through the roof...

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These sides you report are quite strange. I use Cissus religiously...it's one of my staples. I use 6-9 caps per day depending of my training for the week and I feel great-nice pumps, fast recovery, no joint pain (before this used to be pure H*LL), and great sleep. I tried searching for some related issues and found nothing like what you report...go figure :think:
 

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The "down" lasts only, maybe 30 minutes after taking the pills. The zits, definitely from this stuff, its the only change I've made to my intake and hygene.
 
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That is really weird, this is the first I have ever heard of "side-effects" from Cissus..All I can do is reiterate the previously stated in that my opinion on Cissus, anecdotal as it may be, is that it is absolutely amazing..
 
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The "down" lasts only, maybe 30 minutes after taking the pills. The zits, definitely from this stuff, its the only change I've made to my intake and hygene.
I understand what your saying, but I can't understand how both of those this could be caused from the same product. I find it hard to believe that something that causes zits, which logically you would say is from increased test, would also cause low libido, low test? I have no idea haha:jaw:
 
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I understand what your saying, but I can't understand how both of those this could be caused from the same product. I find it hard to believe that something that causes zits, which logically you would say is from increased test, would also cause low libido, low test? I have no idea haha:jaw:
Except for ATD with lowers my libido yet gives me a nice case of backnee I wouldnt know either. I do know that cissus alone has never given me acne or bothered me in any other way. And cissus is a staple of mine...
 

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You might try Celadrin if the Cissus doesnt pan out for you.

Hope your experience w/ Cissus improves - great product.
 
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I understand what your saying, but I can't understand how both of those this could be caused from the same product. I find it hard to believe that something that causes zits, which logically you would say is from increased test, would also cause low libido, low test? I have no idea haha:jaw:
Acne is not only caused by raised test. I actually get it the worst in PCT when my test is low.

Elevated test means elevated DHT, Estrogen, Progesteron, IGF-1, etc....so its tough to really pinpoint the EXACT causes. It could easily just be an inbalance in hormone levels that can cause this or it could be a combination of tihngs.
 
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Acne is not only caused by raised test. I actually get it the worst in PCT when my test is low.
Oh I know, but I mean within the circumstances hes having qwith cissus Rx, if nething i would assume it to boost test not lower it
 
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Another happy Cissus user here, been taking it for about 10 days and the pump is awesome. I've really noticed the healing effects on a couple of different body parts. My tendinitis in my elbow has greatly improved, I also suffer from chronic pain associated with a spinal compression between C4 and C5. The pain and burning I usually deal with on a daily basis has lessened too, allowing me more freedom from my opiate pain relievers.
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I had a buddy with really bad joints, he had to hold out on all his upper body lifts because of it..Told him about cissus, and within 3weeks he had nearly zero joint paint..and nothing but good things to say about it.
 

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It hasn't been 3 weeks yet. I'm only a week and half into it.
 
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I've been on Cissus RX for 4 months now and have almost totally recovered from my RC injury which had forced me into a 3 month layoff. I am back to lifting extremely heavy( for me anyway LOL) poundages in the gym (EG. 10 plates/450 lbs for Seated Triceps Pressdowns on a Hammer Strength machine)with NO pain. Cissus has clearly had some nice anabolic effects for me and has never caused any change in libido nor increased a tendency to breakout. Cissus rocks!
 

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I have been on Cissus for almost 3 weeks as well. I started taking it for my screwed up wrist. I have less pain now than I did taking Naprosyn and going to therapy. I am not sure it is the Cissus but the timing seems to correlate. I may even up the dossage to 2x3 per day as I have had no sides.
 

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These sides you report are quite strange. I use Cissus religiously...it's one of my staples. I use 6-9 caps per day depending of my training for the week and I feel great-nice pumps, fast recovery, no joint pain (before this used to be pure H*LL), and great sleep. I tried searching for some related issues and found nothing like what you report...go figure :think:
How do you vary your intake based on training? (i.e. do you take more before, after, or ??)
 

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I get up at about 5-5:30 and in the gym by 6:00 (sucks but only option). So I try and drag my butt into the kitchen and take it first thing along with creatine or anything else I might be experimetning with. I try and take it a half hour before W/O if I am functioning and then again after lunch. I am going to also start taking a does in the PM.

I take 2 caps each dosing.

Not sure about anabolic properties, as I said I just got back in the gym and all my major lifts were down 40-50 lbs. Now I am getting caught back up which I would expect anyway.
 

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Ive been taking cissus for a month and a half at 6-10 caps per day and am loving it.Pain in the shoulders is reduced and I can do dumbell shoulder presses again.Knee pain is reduced as well.Ive torn my meniscus twice.The anabolic effect is mild but very very enjoyable.
I almost like it enough to stay away from any other anabolics.
 
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Did some search but didnt find to much. Why shouldnt you take Cissus with allergy medicine?

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Ive been taking cissus for a month and a half at 6-10 caps per day and am loving it.Pain in the shoulders is reduced and I can do dumbell shoulder presses again.Knee pain is reduced as well.Ive torn my meniscus twice.The anabolic effect is mild but very very enjoyable.
I almost like it enough to stay away from any other anabolics.
That's exactly the way I feel...while I still consider hormonal anabolics important, my strategy for their use as changed since this wave of herbal-based anabolics has broke on to the scene.

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OK, the other sides originally mentioned are gone, but I noticed my tricep tendonitis is exceptionally bad. Bad as in I've skipped my past 3 workouts because it. I've had it for years I guess I'd say, but warming it up with light weights usually let me get through a good workout. Now, any pressure hurts like hell and I have to use a compression wrap. Hmmn
 

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Very odd indeed - Cissus is a mild anabolic for me and always succeeds in pushing my libido through the roof...

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hey, BigVrunga, i'm experiencing the same thing. how bad are we talking about when u say "through the roof"......i've only been on this for like 3-4 days, and the libido issue is sooo bad, it's worse than trib & nettle. i cannot remember anything that's made the libido so crazy....to such an extent it's getting annoying.
 
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Yeah, like through the roof:) It seems to level off after a few weeks, but the other positive effects continue. Not quite as bad as 4AD - but definitely elevated.

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OK, the other sides originally mentioned are gone, but I noticed my tricep tendonitis is exceptionally bad. Bad as in I've skipped my past 3 workouts because it. I've had it for years I guess I'd say, but warming it up with light weights usually let me get through a good workout. Now, any pressure hurts like hell and I have to use a compression wrap. Hmmn

Beefjerky,

How have you been training over the past few weeks. Cissus might take the pain away at first - but that the analgesic effects. The injury is most surely still there...although i do think it speeds healing, its not a magic bullet. You still have to take proper precautions for recouperating an injury when using it.

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Something happened in my elbow that I believe will now have me on the road to recovery, woo hoo.
 

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i did deadlifts yesterday. my forearms have never been so sore in at least 5 years. (actually, i don't remember if they've ever been so sore). i will go back to using straps on on deadlift and back day.

the only change in anything, is the crazy megadosing of cissus for my right knee (it's helped! at least i would say 25-30% it has helped which is remarkable). i'm not complaining, since i don't care either way if my forearms are sore or not.........but i'm just making an observation since they've never been so pumped in the past. anybody else have similar or strange responses while megadosing cissus?
 
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Heck yeah you'll get wicked pumps while mega-dosing Cissus. Its an effective mild anabolic for me at normal doses, I can only imagine a mega-dose would be sronger.

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bigvrunga: is there a difference between pump and hyptertrophy? because only the forearms are noticeable. it's not like my back or traps are feeling anythng extra. if anything, they are getting less-since the forearm pain has overshadowed everything else
 
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bigvrunga: is there a difference between pump and hyptertrophy? because only the forearms are noticeable. it's not like my back or traps are feeling anythng extra. if anything, they are getting less-since the forearm pain has overshadowed everything else
Yes, definitely. Although getting a good pump in the gym may lead to hypertrophy - which is muscle growth due to an increase in cell size. (which is how all muscle grow, unless you're creating new cells through GH use).

No idea why you'd only feel the pump in your forearms...are they underdeveloped? You mentioned you just stopped using straps...the increase stress on the forearm when they're not used to it could be the cause.

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well, i guess it's just gonna be a mystery then. straps it is next week.....

as for the dull patella tendon pain..........oh beautiful. can't believe no "doctor" or specialist i've ever been to never recommended this.
 
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I just started megadosing Cissus 2 days ago (12 caps/day), and I have really bad gas buildup, and it smells to high heaven (but damn, the pumps are unreal!!). Anyone else get this? Is there anyway to reduce the gas?
 
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I just started megadosing Cissus 2 days ago (12 caps/day), and I have really bad gas buildup, and it smells to high heaven (but damn, the pumps are unreal!!). Anyone else get this? Is there anyway to reduce the gas?

Try taking it with beano. It probably has some big chain carbohydrates that are too few to notice with a small dose.
 

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Yes, definitely. Although getting a good pump in the gym may lead to hypertrophy - which is muscle growth due to an increase in cell size. (which is how all muscle grow, unless you're creating new cells through GH use).

No idea why you'd only feel the pump in your forearms...are they underdeveloped? You mentioned you just stopped using straps...the increase stress on the forearm when they're not used to it could be the cause.

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yeah, perhaps, they are underdeveloped. **pause** **thinking if i should make a smart ass joke related to jacking off** **decides against it*** *ends post*

but eh, thanks for the help Big Vrunga. appreciate it.
 
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When were all you guys dosing cissus?
Im taking 6/day and im doing 3 in the morning and 3 , 8 hours later, is there a better way? Say 2, 2, 2 or what?
 

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I ALSO EXPERIENCED A FEW SIDE EFFECTS while taking the cissus rx,

it seemedd as though after i stopped taking it my shoulders would hurt like hell, but durring the onslaught of pills being thrown down everyday, the pain was almost "masked" over with the cissus

After i stopped taking them it seems like someone was stabbing my shoulders with knifes or needles,

i did notice a lot of comfort while taking the pills though?

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it seemedd as though after i stopped taking it my shoulders would hurt like hell, but durring the onslaught of pills being thrown down everyday, the pain was almost "masked" over with the cissus
I think Cissus initially kills the pain with an anti-inflammatory, analgesic effect that seems to last as long as you take it. I do believe Cissus speeds healing, but a chronic shoulder problem is still going to take a long time to heal, and that's with proper therapy and the right workouts, etc.

If you took Cissus, stopped feeling pain and then went back to blasting your shoulders, I'd expect they would hurt after you discontinued use - because you've stressed them but couldnt feel it while you were taking the herb.

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When were all you guys dosing cissus?
Im taking 6/day and im doing 3 in the morning and 3 , 8 hours later, is there a better way? Say 2, 2, 2 or what?
bump on this
 
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I've been dosing Cissus RX for months at 2/morning and 2/nightime. It's helped repair a pretty bad forearm bicep tear a few months back. I keep taking it as my tendons seem to give me issues. I'd spread out the dosages thru the day, seems to work fine.
 
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I've been dosing Cissus RX for months at 2/morning and 2/nightime. It's helped repair a pretty bad forearm bicep tear a few months back. I keep taking it as my tendons seem to give me issues. I'd spread out the dosages thru the day, seems to work fine.
Yea? spread em out ? Ive been dosing 3 in the morning before breaky at around 6 am and 3 around 3 pm, maybe i will divide it out more and take two at lunch like 2, 2 ,2 .
 

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I've been dosing Cissus RX for months at 2/morning and 2/nightime. It's helped repair a pretty bad forearm bicep tear a few months back. I keep taking it as my tendons seem to give me issues. I'd spread out the dosages thru the day, seems to work fine.
is that u in the avatar..... wahhhh. so tough...
 

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