If you think it's either ineffective at not worth the money or a total scam. Post it in here and prove your position against it!
Nah, go ahead and keep your thread up but its a good excercise to try to prove why something does not work.
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Bovine colostrum... potential benefits, but minor and at extremely high cost... seems to be in vogue to add colostrum to your product and rave in your ads about its amazing, special properties... well, it's too ****ing expensive to truly supp with it at any level where it would be noticably effective IMO... the best results appeared to come at something like 40-60g/day, and even then weren't particularly amazing.
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I propose that oral HGH be on the list. I don't have any scientific references to back this up, but I have never read any positive comments on oral HGH and newbies often are taken in by the advertising hype. I'd be happy to research if the board needs some evidence.
Many companies in the past, and still today put vanadyl sulfate (usually 10mg doses) in their products claiming they boost insulin spikes and help pack on mass. This is quite different then what lab reports show; no acute or short term effects using vanadyl sulfate for raising insulin levels.
20-Hydroxyecdysterone, don't have scientific data but 3 months of use didn't do jack **** for me, my diet and training was solid
Theres a cure to low ammonts of colostrum.
Its called a cattle feed depo...they sell it dirt cheap in bulk...
syntrabol- i used to get these temporary (2-3 hours) allergic rashes on my hands and i couldn't figure out what i was allergic to b/c it happened at different times of day, in diff environments; when i stopped the syntrabol, no more rashes (maybe it's just my body for some reason)..
guggulbolic- i know a lot of people believe in this stuff but it didn't do **** for me...
TAG-trans alanyl glutamine by metabolic, didn't do ****...
since this thread has been mentioned lately, I thought I'd add EcdyVone by Prolab, at least it gave me a placebo to get into the gym!
everyone here seems to be much more knowledgeable than I was and probably didn't fall for all that B-ecdy hype like I did...
NO2 and NOX2 are SUXXORS
Natural Sterol Complex, at the recommended dose didnt do ****
OK, good submissions, now go out and get studies to back up your claims of worthlessness!
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at the risk of being flamed i'm going to defend ecdysterone, but not any version put out by a company.
here's the dilly in my view: first of all you need to take more than a gram. this is way too expensive using any company's supps, so if you really want to give it an honest shot, kilosports has i think 97.5% at $100 for 50g. is it a little pricey, yes. but saying it doesn't work is like taking in 100g of protein a day and concluding that it doesn't help build muscle (you need more). as for quasar's reaction, i'll bet it was the filler, not the ecdysterone.
how about we say that what really sucks is companies that underdose supps that do work to some degree (most supps are pretty subjective other than protein and prohormones as long as diet is optimal)
now, how is ecdy supposed to work. from what i've seen, it increases glycogen storage in muscle (quite a bit, and you lose it when you go off, think of it as a cell volumizer) and also increases ribosomes which are protein synthesis machinery.
i don't think it is very cost effective, but then again it isn't totally a scam.
well pete, I believe LG actually tends to endorse (at least defend) large, large doses of ecdy as being effective as well... expensive obviously but if I remember correctly he did derive some perceptable benefit in terms of much decreased soreness, quicker recovery, things of that nature... perhaps he could come in and explain his view again, I don't recall the specifics
EDIT- found that ****! it was buried pretty deep. might be of interest: LG's Ecdy Experience
Originally posted by Biggin
Chromium supplementation... no need to go buy bottles of Cr thinking it will help you lose weight, etc.... doesn't make a difference.
Although Chromium may not be an ideal supplement for weight loss, it is VERY important for insulin. Here's a little article to help back up that statement. BTW, I use Chromium religiously, in case you are wondering ... and in case you're not, doesn't matter to me.
Anyway ... here are the articles on Chromium and Insulin.
I agree in that taking a multi is absolutely essential for athletes to cover their bases, yet further, higher doses of chromium supping are worthless, that was basically my point. I've seen a few that attempt to support high doses of Cr supping, via testing in animals, stating its positive effects on insulin... and I've also seen some like the one below, done on healthy vs. at risk humans... if Cr levels fall far below normal, supplementation does appear to benefit optimum insulin efficiency... but I'm still not rushing out to buy a bottle of Cr.
EDIT- for the sake of keeping this thread relatively clean, I've reorganized the chromium thread (linked above), and posted some new studies re: insulin sensitivity.
Elderly? Are you pickin' on me? j/kOriginally posted by Biggin
boioioing... similar to the above, though also involves resistance training in elderly
Seriously, great posts, Biggin. And, very informative.
As one who watches their insulin (yep, got a glucose meter and such) I appreciate any and all info on insulin. I still think the chromium is essential, but, as they say, it's just my opinion. And ... as they also say, opinions are like buttholes ... EVERYBODY has one.
Thanks for taking the time to post your information. It has not gone unappreciated, nor has it been dismissed. Information is the key, and I truly appreciate you sharing yours with me.
LMAO!!Originally posted by Dr of Golf
And ... as they also say, opinions are like buttholes ... EVERYBODY has one.
Sorry, I just love that line
Biggin, you should put those all together and clean up the chromium thread and make it an article to submit.