bAET ECPE and muscles hardening

[Goffio69]

Hi,
I've read on this thread http://anabolicminds.com/forum/feedback-reviews/40816-venom-tri-lean-thyrogen-x-2.html#post471965 a review of tyrogen-x + leans dream + venom + special tactis stack and evan says that after one week, he noticed a dramatic hardening of muscles.
According to him and another member, the agent that cause this hardening is bEAT (b-androstenetriol) ECPE which is in thyro-x and special tactic (also in AX retain).
Can someone tell me more about bEAT and its efficiency for muscles hardening ?
thanx

 

[Mr.50]

It is one of the strongest anticatabolics out there in my opinion from research and personal experience.

Hi,
I've read on this thread http://anabolicminds.com/forum/feedback-reviews/40816-venom-tri-lean-thyrogen-x-2.html#post471965 a review of tyrogen-x + leans dream + venom + special tactis stack and evan says that after one week, he noticed a dramatic hardening of muscles.
According to him and another member, the agent that cause this hardening is bEAT (b-androstenetriol) ECPE which is in thyro-x and special tactic (also in AX retain).
Can someone tell me more about bEAT and its efficiency for muscles hardening ?
thanx

 

[Goffio69]

It is one of the strongest anticatabolics out there in my opinion from research and personal experience.

do you know where i can find it as a standalone?
if not,what's stuff out there including bAET do you adivse me?
i'm just looking for hardness and leaning out and i don't want to gain mass.
thanx

 

[Mr.50]

This is the big problem. I used to have a hook up with someone working at a research lab that had access to some androtriol. Currently ALRI Special Tactics and Thyrogen-X are the only products that I know of that have it and it is not a stand alone. We have been trying to get some of the board sponsors to carry it in bulk or a stand alone product but so far I haven't heard anything yet.

Mr.50

do you know where i can find it as a standalone?
if not,what's stuff out there including bAET do you adivse me?
i'm just looking for hardness and leaning out and i don't want to gain mass.
thanx

 

[Manu20]

Damn this stuff sounds good...hopefully one of the sponsors can carry it.

 

[Syr]

Damn this stuff sounds good...hopefully one of the sponsors can carry it.

Yeah, it really loosk good

 

[dtrain13]

This is the big problem. I used to have a hook up with someone working at a research lab that had access to some androtriol. Currently ALRI Special Tactics and Thyrogen-X are the only products that I know of that have it and it is not a stand alone. We have been trying to get some of the board sponsors to carry it in bulk or a stand alone product but so far I haven't heard anything yet.

Mr.50

Mr. 50 do you recall the dosage you ran it at?

 

[Mr.50]

I kept a pretty good written log of it and i have been meaning to go through my old college stuff to see if I can find it. I will try to do it over the weekend and let you guys know.


Mr.50

Mr. 50 do you recall the dosage you ran it at?

 

[Goffio69]

does someone knows the amount of bAET in thyrogen and specials tactis?
i'vesent a mail to ALRI but still have no answers.

 

[dertynasty]

This is the big problem. I used to have a hook up with someone working at a research lab that had access to some androtriol. Currently ALRI Special Tactics and Thyrogen-X are the only products that I know of that have it and it is not a stand alone. We have been trying to get some of the board sponsors to carry it in bulk or a stand alone product but so far I haven't heard anything yet.

Mr.50

what about retain... If u look at the ingredients in retain... it has bAET in it as well

 

[Mr.50]

Originally Retain had methyl bAET in it rather then the non methyl. In this instance I think that the non methyl version is a better product. With that said I do not know if the current batches of Retain now have the non methyl version also.

what about retain... If u look at the ingredients in retain... it has bAET in it as well

 

[prld2gr8ns]

Nope they don't, it's still methly. I know cause I'm taking it right now, and I've gotten some nice muscle harding effects from it as well. Haven't tried the non-methly bAET yet, so I can't really make a comparison.

 

[Mr.50]

Glad its working for you bro. I have tried both and I have to say I liked the non methyl better but who knows.

Mr.50

Nope they don't, it's still methly. I know cause I'm taking it right now, and I've gotten some nice muscle harding effects from it as well. Haven't tried the non-methly bAET yet, so I can't really make a comparison.

 

[Goffio69]

Is there a difference betweenn baET in retrain and baET ECPE in tyro-x and special tact?

 

[Syr]

Is there a difference betweenn baET in retrain and baET ECPE in tyro-x and special tact?

I think one is methylated and the other not.

 

[dtrain13]

I think one is methylated and the other not.

Correct, Retain is methylated and the new version has an ester bond from what I've read.

 

[UnicronSpawn]

I think custom mentioned something about carrying it in bulk. I believe it was the non methyl. I'll have to check again to be sure though.

 

[imichael]

Yep, Custom have it in bulk now - http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/product_info.php?products_id=1101
it is the non-methyl version. I've just started a transdermal with it.

 

[Goffio69]

what dose do you take per day and when should iit be taken?
thanx

 

[imichael]

Currently I am using 33mg a day transdermally along with 66mg of 7-OH.

application is in morning after my post workout shower.

 

[Grunt76]

Please keep us updated.

 

[imichael]

i will be keeping a 'light' log here http://anabolicminds.com/forum/custom-nutrition-warehouse/42557-b-androstenetriol-7-hydroxy-transdermal.html

 

[UnicronSpawn]

i will be keeping a 'light' log here http://anabolicminds.com/forum/custom-nutrition-warehouse/42557-b-androstenetriol-7-hydroxy-transdermal.html

Right on. Did you bother with adding 20% DMSO to the bottle or no?

 

[imichael]

No DMSO, just pure T-Gel. I hadn't considered it to be honest. It's cheap enough that if I need to absorb more, I'll just use more. Double dosing will still last 30 days.

 

[UnicronSpawn]

Thats cool. I was just wondering. I havent made any of my own trans D's in a while. Last time I did I tried the DMSO method. It was kind of a hassle, and I couldnt tell if it was working much better or not. (used 4AD). If the stuff seems to absorb well than at least you dont have the hassle of measuring out all that DMSO and dropping it in an oral syringe at a time.

 

[Goffio69]

Currently I am using 33mg a day transdermally along with 66mg of 7-OH.

application is in morning after my post workout shower.

Why do you choose to use a transdermal method?
I don't know anything about transdermal method but I want to use it with caps.
Is it ok if I cap the bAET, and take it twice/day (at 50 mg like in retain)?
thanx

 

[imichael]

The bAET in Retain is the methylated compound, which increases the bioavailability as an oral, so you will need a higher dose of the non-methly version.

I hadn't considered it as an oral, purely because of the ease of use, good absorbption and low cost of the td. Plus capping 25mg or 50mg accurately is not as easy as higher dose caps.

 

[Goffio69]

i have never tried any transdermal stuff.
how can the effectiveness be compare to the caps form?

 

[UnicronSpawn]

i have never tried any transdermal stuff.
how can the effectiveness be compare to the caps form?

Depends on what your trying to take. Something with high oral-bioavailability probably would not offer many advantages as a trans-D.
But products that have a tendancy to be broken down by digestive enzymes and by the liver (thus requiring high doses oraly) on the other hand, could be more effective at a lower dose if taking transdermally.
Another factor to consider, is the mass of the units. Fine powders can always be pulled through the skin more effectively then larger grain supplements.
I wanted to put some of my rancid tasting long-jack powder in a trans D, but I wasnt sure if it was fine enough, so I never took the plunge. (last thing I need is rancid long jack powder stuck to my skin all day.)
Trans D's are pretty easy to make though, and their helpful at delivering certain things. For instance, after the ban, I had some 4 AD powder, (not cypionate). I couldnt brew a good injectable version, (I could have made a suspension, but that would require at least 1 shot a day for something not really potent enough to be worth it.) so I got a trans D formula from a board sponser emptied half of it into another container for later, added 20% DMSO. IE: 4oz of trans D formula would mean .8 oz of DMSO (20% of 4oz=.8oz), and devided the ammount of powder by 4.8 oz (only expressed in milliliters, the conversion for wich I would have to look up.) and that gives you your dose per milliliter. I also heat for 10-15 seconds in microwave after adding DMSO, and again after adding powder and shaking. Then your all set! (just have to shake it before each application to be safe.) In the case of 4AD, the trans D offered a much greater effect at a much lower dose than the caps!

 

[Goffio69]

okay,thanx for this answer.
if i caps the stuff, what dose should i take? do you think 150 mg/day (or more 300mg/day?), taken before bed will be great?

 

[UnicronSpawn]

I honestly dont know. I havent tried the non methyl, actually I start the methyl (retain) for the first time this coming sunday. Maybe Imichael or Grunt can give you a ballpark figure. If it were me, and I didnt know anyone taking it that way, Id figure at least 2-3x's what people are taking transdermally. But thats just a guess.

 

[Goffio69]

ok
I'm gonna try retain at 3 caps/day next week and wait to see imichael results and hope to feel the same hardness that people have when they 're on tyro-x + special tacts

 

[imichael]

Goffio - Mr.50 used to dose at around 100mg a day orally. Have a look in the Custom Nutrition sub-forum, there are two or three threads in there withe some decent info.