ergo max,superdrol,and pheraplex
- 01-06-2006, 12:58 PM
ergo max,superdrol,and pheraplex
One of my friends is goin to stack all of these together! It'll be like this:
emax-2 for two weeks (lower dosage 3 rd week)
pherplex-1,2,2(add superdrol and lower dosage)
pct-rxt ant pct(i know theres alot more he should take, like something for blood presh.)
he will also be taking a liver pill throughout
The thing is he's only 18 and he shouldn't be touchin the stuff
.I just want him to do it right. his brother who is 17 is also going to start a pherplex cycle. I'v told them not to try it but i can't convince them. They want me to, but I'm sticken to .
- 01-06-2006, 01:10 PM
You made a good choice.... IMO, no one should use any hormonal products until they r at least 21 years old and completely done growing, etc.
- 01-06-2006, 01:20 PM
01-06-2006, 02:15 PM
they are all methyls. it will kill his liver. phera and emax are almost the same compound so that would not be a good idea to stack. this is just a few reasons why he should not do it.
01-06-2006, 02:53 PM
taking PHs under age 21 is a risk... Taking them under age 18 is just an accident waiting to happen. PP at age 17??? OMG I hope his nuts sink so far up into his body that it stops his heart.
01-06-2006, 02:57 PM
If he ****s out his liver DON'T BE SURPRISED!! He should also be shot. IMO
My The 1 LOG: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/254164-my-one-log.html
01-06-2006, 03:39 PM
Kris, I dont think I could ever get tired of seeing your posts
Its just too bad that she wouldnt be able to suck on my balls because I wanted to take Andro's when I was 18!!
01-06-2006, 03:58 PM
Hmm, accepting the fact that there might be no reasonable way in stopping them from taking PHs, why the stack? Its not that the gains will be tripled by stacking the three and the sides are a serious threat. Reading SD journals alone I saw a majority of users having sides. PP did not report as many sides but the gains were slightly lesser than SD. I havent read any Ergo Max blogs so I dont know about those.
I strongly suggest that the user just go solo on one of the above mentioned products. Maybe just PP or SD. Just in case anything goes wrong it might be a tad bit easier to sort it out.
Goodluck to your buddy and tell him not to stack the three!!!
01-07-2006, 03:25 PM
all right thanks everyone for helping me out!! I'll talk to him today about it. He thinks stacking all three He'll get different results from each helping him gain the most he possibly can.I told him to just take one but he thinks otherwise.
01-07-2006, 04:16 PM
Ask your friend if he is familiar with the term synergy. The only reason you would ever want to stack anything is because the sum of the whole would be greater than the sum of the individual parts. You can test for synergy only by starting with one supplement record the results, then retesting with a different supplement recording the reults. Finally add the two supplements together and if your results are superior you have synergy. You ofcourse would have to have definative goals(ie iwant to be huge/ Iwant to look cut) interms of body composition versus any unwanted results or side effects (ie irreperable liver and endoctrin gland damage) or the most common results of all..discovering that this stuff just doesn't work for you( as well as a solid diet and training regiment ) after you spent all your hard earned money(unless you are a rich kid) If you were like me when I was 17, you would prefer to find things out the hard way. good luck!Originally Posted by apron
01-07-2006, 11:54 PM
01-08-2006, 10:11 AM
If he's going to do it anyway, try and talk him into just the SD. It's a great option for underage users. PP and Emax are too likely to cause calcium retention and estrogenic bone growth. Not good, unless his length/height is concluded. Also requires a more serious PCT.Originally Posted by apron
01-08-2006, 12:55 PM
01-08-2006, 01:55 PM
talk him out of the whole thing: there's no chance he knows what he's about to do to himself - hell, maybe he just wants to be Time's Steroid-Abuse-Casualty cover-boy for '06.
From me to him: Don't - just, DON'T DO IT - at 17, you have everything you need for explosive natural growth, with no need and no purpose for screwing with your endocrine system! Kids doing stuff like this is how **** gets banned before it's understood, it's how bad law gets made, it's how ****ed-up kids get made, so PLEASE don't be a fool - just DON'T, 'kay?
01-08-2006, 02:14 PM
I feel your point, but let's face it: kids will be kids. I am not condoning it's use, just trying to give the best possible info so that these kids can make the best choices possible if they are "going to do it anyway". Know what I mean? My wife made this point to me when she wanted to put our 14 year old daughter on birth control. I said no way! That would be like us saying it's OK to have pre-marital sex. My wife said OK, then when she comes home pregnant at 16, don't blame me. When she said that, I instantly but reluctantly understood her point. I started juicing when I turned 16 and nobody was going to talk me out of it. I am glad I had a few mentors that helped me from making any major mistakes with it. I am making the argument that we should give these kids the information they request, whether we condone it's use or not. After all things are considered, each man must decide for himself which path he will take.
01-08-2006, 02:57 PM
Thanks doc for reminding me how old I am. A 14yo daughter. "sigh" Man, I was having a good day too.Originally Posted by DR.D
01-08-2006, 03:06 PM
Originally Posted by DR.D
I have to say i totaly agree with you Dr. D. Kids are going to do what they are going to do no matter what you say or do. If they want it bad enough and its reasonable they will get it. So i have to agree to atleast try and educate them so they can do it in the safest manner possible.
E-Pharm Rep... PM me with any questions or concerns
01-08-2006, 04:44 PM
Yeah, once my kids hit high school/became teens, that's when it really hit me how "old" I was. Sorry bro! At least you're not alone.Originally Posted by LCSULLA
01-08-2006, 10:35 PM
right there with you, Doc - still, it's the plainly-stated policy of the board to discourage minors from experimenting with AAS in any form; yet I know from my own youth & working w/ others that sometimes, kids do stupid things because no grown-up bothered to tell them not to; kids will take that as a sign that no-one cares and I'm just the kind of guy who'll take the time to tell a kid not to - and why not to.Originally Posted by DR.D
and yet there is the question of liability with respect to minors.Originally Posted by DR.D
Given board policy (as I understand it) & my own inclinations I felt someone should make a direct and sincere statement to apron's friend, so I did. Not 'cause I'm so smart, or to have the last word, but because it was right there in front of me to do.
01-08-2006, 11:22 PM
I may be way off base... but I've seen the whole "my underage friend is gonna use" thing twice in the past week on AM.
Having been a youngster, I'm having a tough time buying that line.
Doesn't sound much different than... "Ya mom its my friends beer... It's not mine"
Sorry If I'm way off on this one.
01-08-2006, 11:34 PM
Or "No, it's my friends porn". I must have used that line twenty times.Doesn't sound much different than... "Ya mom its my friends beer... It's not mine"
01-09-2006, 12:06 AM
The good advice that is found here is for anyone to learn from and follow. Then hopefully they will use their new found information to teach others so that, they too can become leaders.( How is that for a qualifier? ) Now my gut feeling is you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. It is a sad reality that sometimes you have to thin out the herd. There by leaving a better gene pool for future generations..maybe this belongs in that Evolution thread.
".. No Ma, Old Yellers my dog..I'll shoot em. "
01-09-2006, 12:28 AM
heu everyone ur all truly right. I was going to the the sd with my friends and then i started reading more and learning alot about it. I found the conciquences(spelled wrong im sure) and i decided not to take it. My friends just want to get HUGE just like any ther highschool teenager, includng me but i'm goin to work hard without being like all the minors that do any type of steriod. I know kids that have taken them when they were like 14. There's also alot of idiots that don't even take them right with no pct. I't just makes me mad cuz I'm one of the few that i know actually reads p on this stuff while their all juicing and gettinn huge.
01-09-2006, 05:01 AM
Yes, and I am quite glad you did what you did. I think it shows a lot of heart to say you care and speak the truth. I just wanted you to understand why i did what I did too. It was not a condoning.Originally Posted by BodyWizard
01-09-2006, 05:06 AM
Don't be mad. You'll be glad you waited once you learn more. You are a smart person and sound like you like to keep learning, so do that first. Tell your friends the truth and pray they will wait too. If not, at least you can decide for you.Originally Posted by apron
01-09-2006, 10:02 PM
Anyone can ( and usually will ) give advice, but it takes a lot of "guts" to take someone elses advice. Especially when it runs contrary to what your buddies are doing. Thats called character and it is character that will make you stronger. It is the kind of strength that won't fade away with your last cycle!..and no zits either!Originally Posted by apron
01-10-2006, 12:07 AM
Man I'm glad all u guys care thanks alot. Lately I've been reading alot about this kind of stuff. I've decided to take X-Factor because I've such great reviews about it.
01-10-2006, 07:55 AM
01-10-2006, 08:01 AM
I understand, Dr.D - it's damage control; it's a natural impulse for a caring man to try to minimise the harm from stupidity he can't prevent.Originally Posted by DR.D
We are not in conflict. Thank you as always for your many contributions!
01-10-2006, 08:05 AM
Good job waiting bro. You'll get the same results with a GOOD diet and plenty of food. There's so much test in your body now, you'll do great. Plus those gains will stick....and then there's muscle maturity, etc, etc.
Patience and consistency in this game is a sign of maturity.
Again...good job brother.
01-10-2006, 10:27 AM
These gus r right,u r a credit to guys your age for wanting to learn before making a decision, its hard not to follow what your friends r doing, but that alone is what makes u different.
BE A LEADER NOT A FOLLOWER !!!!
01-10-2006, 06:24 PM
Reps to -2z-! Muscle maturity is the missing element. It just takes years of training to make it stick. I wasn't able to break the 175lb mark until I was about 23 years old! It just takes time.Originally Posted by -2z-
01-10-2006, 07:00 PM
apron, great job in waiting man, heres the deal, you will grow!!! i promise!! keep eating like a bull and work hard, i was almost 6ft tall and only 160 lbs in high school , i watched all of my friends juice and get huge, fortunatly i didnt, 10 years later they were very small and probablly stunted there natural growth and one of them was dead at 33 from heart failure. at my 10 year reunion 8 years ago (man i am getting old) i was bigger than all of them and it felt great! hey there may be a time when you dicide to take the plunge, thats ok, just wait a few more years and keep educating yourself as to the pros and cons. listen to these guys in this forum, most are very educated in this matter and are telling you things from experiences , good or bad. good luck man!
01-10-2006, 07:26 PM
01-15-2006, 10:36 PM
tell your friends just to use sd with Anabolics's Perfect cycle liver support 3-pills a day and run a 4-week cycle on a high calorie diet also 1.5grams of protein ber LB and they will want to buy Rebound XT or PCT from anabolicx to run for 4 weeks after cycel.. also some fishoil .flaxseed oil will help with the LDL Levels
01-16-2006, 12:34 AM
01-16-2006, 02:02 PM
Test for Superdrol
Does anyone know if there is a test yet for Superdrol? NCAA or WADA? Does anyone know the detection time?
01-19-2006, 09:56 AM
By the questions you asked, we can easily tell that you *cough* I mean, *cough*, your friend, are not knowledgeable enough to start a PH cycle, and even less to stack them together.Originally Posted by apron
Do you realise those are steroids?
Have you planned a PROPER PCT?
What will you run as a liver support supp?
What will you run to handle high blood pressure?
What will you do in case of appearing Gyno?
What will you do in case of nose bleed?
Do you know what other sides to expect and how to handle each of them?
If you can't answer all of these questions, definitely stay away from PH...
Not to mention that you can inflict permanent damage to your endocrine system... Take 10 minutes of your time to google "endocrine system", and then ask your friend if he really want to risk getting into AAS at his age...
I started training when I was your age, and I am now 22 and much more knowledgeable than I was back then, and I'm still reading and studying every aspect of PH before getting into my 1st cycle.
Keep this in mind : "better safe than sorry".
01-19-2006, 12:53 PM
i too am waiting for my first cycle. my roommates been on cycle for the last 3 weeks and its killin me how big and strong hes gotten but im waitin til i think i really need the juice im still makin gains and thats good enough for me
01-19-2006, 05:14 PM
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