- 01-03-2006, 07:57 PM
- 01-03-2006, 08:04 PM
This doesn't appear to be a pro-hormone. It appears to be a natural test. booster. It has wild yam and some other ****.
I have a sample cap, but looking at the ingrediants, I think it's a bunch of crap.
You want something like M1T? We've got Halodrol, Phera-Plex, Superdrol, Methoxy Trn....
01-03-2006, 08:06 PM
Save your $$. I tried it for 2 weeks, and took it back and got my money back. Made the decision then that I wouldn't try anything that wasn't reccomended here first.
01-03-2006, 08:10 PM
Good point Red.
Always ask around here first before buying some expensive supp.
Example - GAIKC by MuscleTech. If you ask around here, you'll see that Custom has the base powder for a fraction of MT's outrageous price.
01-03-2006, 08:10 PM
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01-03-2006, 09:03 PM
01-13-2006, 01:09 PM
Hey All! I'll be 100% honest, I have no prohormone use in the past to compare 17-HD to, but I did use a bottle throughout part of. and Dec...... And I was VERY impressed. Strength increases were noticeable on day #1 of its use. Placebo? possibly..... but man it was a good placebo.
Background: Been training for about 5 years. The majority of my supplement use has been as natural as possible, mainly focusing on the Beverly Nutrition line of products. (which are still my personal favorites).
01-13-2006, 01:27 PM
LanBane your gains may have been good, but being that you have not taken M1t the gains from 17hd would not be comparable. And as stated Pheraplex would be the best thing imho next to m1t without the backpumps, lethargy, and suckass liver values.
01-13-2006, 01:32 PM
You won't catch me arguing that..... by no means am I saying it is evenly remotely comparable to M1T. But for anyone like me who didn't want to go to such an extreme, I am suggesting that the 17-HD was a decent product.
To me, it was worth the $30 I paid.
01-18-2006, 01:58 PM
One of my home boys works up at the smoothie factory by my house and gave me some huge employee discount on some 17 hd where i got it for a fraction of the original cost.
I would have to agree that if you are not looking for any PH's this would be a good product. The first week of the supllementing were great. I was very focused and had some pretty good energy and actually was not able to fall asleep after the first night I took it. After about 10 or 11 days the effect kind of wore off or i just became more adapted to it.
If you can find it for a reasonable price I would recommend it, but I wouldnt recommend paying full price for for it.
01-24-2006, 04:52 PM
I thought I would chime in.
I picked up a few samples from GNC. I'm happy with this product.
I'm a skeptic when it comes to taking products so I tried to keep a level head while giving this product a whirl. I would like to say that it wasn't the placebo effect my 1st and 2nd dose. I felt my training intensity was better than normal. Other times I felt like the "golden child". It put me a positive frame of mind. I felt more confident. 17HD didn't give me the CNS stimulation as caffiene but I felt more energetic.
I guess the results/reaction varies with this product from person to person.
I wish there was more scientific info on this product.
01-24-2006, 05:05 PM
I have seen this product listed in the prohormone section of some online retailers......Does this need PCT? I would love to try it but I am nearing the end of my PCT and wouldn't want to **** myself up! Lately I have been hearing nothing but positive things on this 17-HD.....(IDS sells something quite similar I believe and it's 60 caps). Only bad thing I've seen was a dude at my gym returned it after day 2 because of it making him jittery!
01-25-2006, 01:16 PM
nah man ive seen other people wonder about taking a pct with this. others have actuially talked with representatives from the company and its actually close to an all herbal supplement. I never used a PCT when i used it, it seemed to be a really safe product with no sides.Originally Posted by Atlas
01-26-2006, 01:36 AM
01-26-2006, 08:34 AM
I used 17-hd for 30 days and got a good sense of well being and decent body tone.
I am not pumping alot of iron right now. so gains are hard to judge. 17-hd is nothing close ot M1T or anyother prohormone. It is more of an herbal pick me up. I'm am not doing any PCT I feel fine not shutdown. I have no blood tests, but based on past post cycle experience I would say there is no shutdown. there is no crash.
01-27-2006, 10:00 PM
Anybody here ever use the IDS version of 17 HD? It's cheaper with twice the servings.l
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
01-27-2006, 10:55 PM
Is it called V50?
I noticed they have a product called 17Hydroxy Mesterone. The data on that product is interesting.
01-27-2006, 11:01 PM
Ran a full bottle of it..... for me, it was not half as effective as the 17-HD. I am pretty sure it had something to do with it be a hydroxy vs. a methyl.
BUT, someone I know used the 17-Hydroxy Mesterone and said they liked IT better..... so I guess it'll be a case by case basis.
01-28-2006, 10:08 PM
Yeah, I was referring to the 17 Hydroxy Mesterone product. It has pretty much the exact same ingredient profile as vyotech's 17HD.Originally Posted by champster
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
02-01-2006, 12:50 AM
To anyone who is disappointed with this product. PM me. I will be happy to buy your remaining quantities.
02-08-2006, 11:21 PM
I talked with the company today and they said the main ingredient is a plant non-steriod-type called smilax.
then he started rambling abunch of other stuff that i couldnt hear as the volume was low.
02-09-2006, 08:21 PM
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