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I read on another site that the ingredient is phera plex cant convert anyting to estrogen. any truth in this. How could that be possible? sorry i used search couldont find much
Well its not anything close to test or estrogen, but i beleive a person from AX said a metabolite could convert into estrogen. So id have nolva or RXt or Inhibit-E on hand just in case. I have that on hand for ANY cycle though.I read on another site that the ingredient is phera plex cant convert anyting to estrogen. any truth in this. How could that be possible? sorry i used search couldont find much
PheraPlex isnt even close to testosterone though. One of the AX reps said that there is a metabolite in PP that can convert to estro. Just have nolva in case, its very rare for PP to cause gyno from what ive read.saying a compound cant convert to estrogen is a bit misleading, the compound itself may have no capability, but your body can increase its own estrogen if test levels are too high, I am not an expert on chemistry, but I as well as many others have felt estrogen related sides from supposedly "dry" compounds. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can post and explain why this happens.So as the previous poster said, make sure you have nolva.
PheraPlex isnt even close to testosterone though. One of the AX reps said that there is a metabolite in PP that can convert to estro. Just have nolva in case, its very rare for PP to cause gyno from what ive read.
Did you get the gyno taken care of? I'm still worried about my little flare up. I don't have any lumps or any real soreness but they are puffy. Hopefully, just water and it will go away soon.
It's not high test levels that do it. Taking any foreign hormone of this nature into your body will decrease your natural testosterone production. If the PP or one of its metabolites aromatizes the level of estrogen in your body could reach a high enough level to cause side effects.i see i see, so it can possibly make estrogen due to test levels being too high, but the metabolite itself cannot directly convert to estrogen, correct me if im wrong.
Great info right here!It seems to be a common misconception that anabolic steroids = higher test levels (exogenous) in the body. This is only true if that steroid is simple testosterone. Any other steroidal substance will cause an often rapid decrease in test production and levels. The anabolic effects of steroids other than testeosterone are due to their relative chemical benefit (greater gains/lesser aromatization/etc. depending on substance) when compared to testosterone, or no one would use anything other than test. If you used Advil for pain, would that increase the level of Tylenol in your blood? Of course not.
If you take Phera-Plex (DMT) you will not increase your test level. You will increase your DMT level. DMT happens to be anabolic and androgenic like testosterone in the same way as Advil and Tylenol are both painkillers. The question is whether DMT directly (or indirectly, through metabolites) aromatizes to estrogen or increases progesterone levels through some mechanism.
The real-world results show that this appears possible, although not a great risk. As always, not having a proven antiestrogen on hand is at your own risk.
Not really. Estrogen is part of the negative feedback loop. As such it's an indicator of high or low test, not a direct response to it. If your body sense high estrogen levels it will decrease natural test production. If your body sense low estrogen levels it will increase test production. By introducing exogenous testosterone your body will 'make' more estrogen, but so far as I know it's not really an active response to the test, merely what happens when you introduce higher levels of testosterone into the body's already existing environment. If production of aromatase is increased or something of that nature in response to higher test levels, which it might I honestly don't know on this one, then there would be such an active response. As it is though, I think high estrogen is for the most part just a proportional conversion of the amount of aromatizable hormones in your body."your body can increase its own estrogen if test levels are too high"
This is the quote from my original post, I concede I should have replaced the word "test" with "exogenous male hormone"(nice n' bland) or used different punctuation in the post.
The point I was making is "I have read that your body can increase its own estrogen if test levels are too high in an effort to stabilize hormone levels, so perhaps it may from other "exogenous male hormones"
Sorry for the confusion.
Similar to my experience with Ergomax LMG, by day 3 of Phera-Plex I was quite bloated, and by day 10 I felt the need to dose nolva @ 20 mg, because of sensitivity in my left nipple. Otherwise, a great OTC product.The question is whether DMT directly (or indirectly, through metabolites) aromatizes to estrogen or increases progesterone levels through some mechanism.
The real-world results show that this appears possible, although not a great risk. As always, not having a proven antiestrogen on hand is at your own risk.
The Ergomax seems to be somewhat "dirtier" than the Phera-Plex in regards to sides. I really have to give credit to DS/AX for synthesizing a very clean and pure DMT analog. No one else figured it out and actually got it to market. Sans available post-cycle bloodwork, Phera-Plex really seems to be a pharma-quality anabolic.Similar to my experience with Ergomax LMG, by day 3 of Phera-Plex I was quite bloated, and by day 10 I felt the need to dose nolva @ 20 mg, because of sensitivity in my left nipple. Otherwise, a great OTC product.
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