Halodrol-50 'Exposed' by Washington Post

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by The Experiment


    What the hell. Get out of your Montana cabin. This has nothing to do with liberalism.

    Libertarianism is not the answer either. The problem here is that the government likes to focus on these little measures because its something quick and simple for them to get involved in to boost their ratings. They don't like to mess with the true inner workings of the system because it benefits them. Halodrol-50 barely impacts their voters and is almost a win-win. So they act on it.

    Simple as that.
    While I would disagree with you about libertarianism , you're right otherwise. Shipley's article and general idiocy have nothing to do with any particular political viewpoint. Conservatives are just as likely to mangle or ingore the truth when it suits their purposes as liberals. I'd challenge that poster to find an article more on point or moderate in it's view on steroids and drugs in general in a conservative publication. Other than national review he's not likely to find any. Even those guys still think all drugs are evil it seems, they just are one of the first mainstream publications to admit that it's impossible to control drugs through prohibition.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    While I would disagree with you about libertarianism , you're right otherwise. Shipley's article and general idiocy have nothing to do with any particular political viewpoint. Conservatives are just as likely to mangle or ingore the truth when it suits their purposes as liberals. I'd challenge that poster to find an article more on point or moderate in it's view on steroids and drugs in general in a conservative publication. Other than national review he's not likely to find any. Even those guys still think all drugs are evil it seems, they just are one of the first mainstream publications to admit that it's impossible to control drugs through prohibition.
    Yes. Its something quick and simple. A nice little ratings booster for the holidays. Since 2006 is election year for Senate and Representatives, expect more and more of these "attacks" from politicians and media shills (on both sides) to attack supplements.

    I just don't think Libertarianism is the answer. We're 10 trillion in the hole. I cannot for the life of me wonder why everyone wants less taxes when we're so deeply in debt. That is what Libertarianism offers. Plus it deregulates the industry to where they can sell snake oil and tell you its medicine. How about the meat packing industry which is terrible at adhering to standards now? What about when they have free reign? I wouldn't trust a single food product (read the loads of testimonies of how poorly regulated the food industry is)

    I understand the libertarian viewpoint on this board but I strongly disagree with it.

    The answer is not less taxes and less government but smart taxes and smart government. Thats right, I'm suggesting steroids should be legal but taxed. Same goes for marijuana.

    Thats my solution.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by TINYTOAD
    The Experiment:



    Also, what would your idol, Che Guevara, recommend? Was he communist, or just socialist?

    -Tinytoad
    Good Old Che (rich with Gravitas while he was alive) would have a very nuanced solution.

    He would have Gaspari, Kneller and their extended families shot and expunged from the public record.

    Then to further the cause of public saftey Amy Shipley (useful idiot) would be shot as well so he could pass himself off as the sole savior.

  4. I understand the libertarian viewpoint on this board but I strongly disagree with it.

    The answer is not less taxes and less government but smart taxes and smart government. Thats right, I'm suggesting steroids should be legal but taxed. Same goes for marijuana.

    Thats my solution.[/quote]

    The libertarian point of view is often misunderstood,mostly because it does not exist as an absolute truth.Politics have away of polarizing issues into either, or choices(black/white,good/bad).This make it easier for the general public to
    be classified into voting catagories.Simple people like simple choices.The government of the USA is by definition".. by the people,of the people and for the people". So if you want a smarter government you need smarter people.The trouble is that smarter people are less likley to be polarized into voting catagories. Which makes getting elected a lot harder.So the goverment, which is in charge of the public education system, trains the public not to think critically.Instead the public is taught to memorize a few key facts and buzz words.These buzz words get translated into images and sound bytes for distribution by the media.(the media being owned by the corporations that influence the goverment) It may sound like " orwellian" science fiction, but in fact it works as well as any system in history.Most people prefer to be led towards their decisions. It is a lot quicker and easier than studying all the facts to make your own informed decisions.So a government is a useful thing for the people that need to be governed. Libertarians just prefer to make their own decisions on the critical points of their own life..ie, I like sex,drugs and rock and roll, I am willing to pay for them(with the money I earned through productive activities that did not harm any innocent people) and I will take what ever the consequences of my actions may bring me in return (sickness,public scrutiny or death). If you want to tax me to help support the infrastructure that keeps my supply of sex,drugs and rock and roll flowing then I will gladly hand you my money.If you want my money for something else(?), you better have a darn good sales pitch. Rock the Vote!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by The Experiment
    I just don't think Libertarianism is the answer. We're 10 trillion in the hole. I cannot for the life of me wonder why everyone wants less taxes when we're so deeply in debt. That is what Libertarianism offers. Plus it deregulates the industry to where they can sell snake oil and tell you its medicine. How about the meat packing industry which is terrible at adhering to standards now? What about when they have free reign? I wouldn't trust a single food product (read the loads of testimonies of how poorly regulated the food industry is)

    I understand the libertarian viewpoint on this board but I strongly disagree with it.

    The answer is not less taxes and less government but smart taxes and smart government. Thats right, I'm suggesting steroids should be legal but taxed. Same goes for marijuana.

    Thats my solution.
    I'd say that's a socially libertarian approach. Basically that's a label generally applied to people are are socially liberal on such subjects as drugs, sex, etc., but have a mixed bag of economic viewpoints. Either way, the only way our little community gets what it wants is when we band together with other, similarly screwed people and get enough strength to at least get our ideas across to a wide, receptive audience. A more short term approach might be starting a website ala marijuananews.com, steroidnews.com, and getting it as much exposure as possible.

    Basically the owner of that site has always said there was one main reason why marijuana prohibition continues to this day: bad journalism. If you look at the articles on the subject they have similar gaffs and shades of yellow journalism as the steroid articles that piss us off so much. He posts the articles he find and pulls thems apart piece by piece. Something similar for 'roids would be nice. With blogs widely available it wouldn't take too much work from a setup standpoint.
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