You are killing me bro, one person who has seen the numbers disagrees with you and you have a cow. You should read "theory and applications to fitness and performance", there is a chapter on ergogenic aids. ACSM, NSCA, and other national orgs all publish their information on ergogenic aids as well. Even better than medline is pubmed, they are more organized with better key word searches. The sportsdiscuss is a descent journal for you as well. My degree in exercise physiology and certifications in the HFI and CSCS all mean I have reached a high standard, they speak for themselves. I see you are a board sponser, are you a supps salesman? Is that why you are getting so offended? Well good luck to you and your chat room research. What you should do is run blood test and have a controlled group and placebo group to run along side the test group in a double blind study. Publish your numbers with details on the blood work, and compare the fibers cross sectional area between the control and test groups. I have a large collection of research abstracts sitting right beside me, if you would like I can post a refference to each one of them so everyone can have a look themselves. It will take some time but if thats what it takes to convince a chat room research specialist ill do it. Well i have a biomechanics test to get to, wish me luck and God Bless.