low testosterone guys at 17
- 10-09-2005, 04:45 PM
Free T can be in range since SHBG is reduced when Total T is lower. But people often report the same symptoms with low total T as well, it's just a really unreliable method to assess hypogonadism. I'm still on T, but before I was my total T was reliably 50-200 with free T a few points below the bottom end of the range. I'm not sure on the fine points of jump starting the HPTA using TRT...that's a better question for the men's health forum over at mesorx.
- 12-05-2005, 08:00 AM
blood test back again
ok this is what happened guys i got tested 3 months ago with a level of 184ng of testosterone as you can see in this thread. I got tested again last week and got the results today and it came back to 405ng. However i still feel really ****ty, Absolutely no libido, tiredness all the time, some nights cannot sleep, decrease in muscle mass, hard time putting on mass, decreased facial growth by far!! grows like 3 times as slow now.
All my doc said was that it was normal, that the result 14.1 was slap bang in the middle of the range 10-31 he also said it like trippled my testosterone. I know his trick trying to make me feel alright. I said no..... it doubled mate, and hes like yeh.
I said that is not in the middle and he started rambling on crap about how yes it is the middle of the poppulation that most people is at that level because the graph is a bell shaped curve.
I then explained so how can you explain my symptoms of low testosterone that i just told you. And he just nodded ? He said i can right you a letter to the endocrinologist but i dont think they will give you therapy. I said why, he said its because it is usually like that. I said i am only at an age of 18 just turned 18 yesterday and this is not normal, my libido was slapped bang dimished and i cannot suffer like this for the rest of my life.
I took out printed things of the internet showed him some things that saying that if it was on the low normal range this is usually for old men and younger men should have higher testosterone, and another printout where testosterone levels should be around 800ng in teens. Also showed him printout of the blood results he should have requested. i.e. lh, fsh, e2, cortisol etc. He didnt even really look at it he just glanced at it and just nodded.
He said again im going to write a letter to the endocrinologist and it will go from there, i said yeh. And he said for me to show the stuff to the endocrinologist.
However a problem with me is i tried looking for more research on the internet about what the average level is for teens is but havent really found much. Can you guys give me some source for this, and other sources which i can use to try and convince my endocrinologist.
I know i am 18 and you can see in this thread before that i really hated to go on TRT but its been like 5 months like this and i cannot life like this for the rest of my life. Always thinking about it, just want to be my normal self. Thanks for taking your time reading this. and thanks for all the help guys.
In the UK it is a lot alot alot alot alot harder to get TRT for hypogonadism.
I think i might be secondary hypoganodal because it seems my testis is working due to the increaes in testosterone
12-05-2005, 05:53 PM
so what are your main complaints again and your desired results from a visit with the endocrinologist? as for the normal range for teens that is going to be a very broad one since everyone is soooo different and some guys dont really peak till they are like 23. i know guys who had their growth spurts after highschool, like growing 4 inches and crap so even in your situation you cant really give up quite yet. sounds honestly to me like your experiencing alot of the symptoms of depression, has there been anything else that has effected you negatively besides these low test results? i dont know bro id look on the bright side of things your young and things can still change plenty in all aspects, life is what you make it bro. if your libido has got you down look into some MACA and fenugreek and that'll get you moving in no time.... maybe even a little too much. good luck with everything bro.Originally Posted by dark_star
12-05-2005, 11:38 PM
I wouldn't take anything that would abnormally influence your testosterone levels before you see an endo.
Give the endo a chance to dig into exactly why you are feeling like ass.
12-06-2005, 12:29 AM
You could be eating TOO clean that's a possiblity, like not getting enough fat in your diet, keep your fats at 30% of your daily caloric intake and this alone with boost your testosterone levels, make sure your taking a couple table spoons of Hempseed oil daily. Keep taking your ZMA, and take a good multi, also get atleast 8 hours sleep, and try taking some Tribulus if you feel your need it, that's fine to take for your age, I like Tribex 500 by Biotest.
12-06-2005, 11:57 PM
hey dude im about to turn 30 and i cant grow a complete beard just a goatee every body peaks at different times if you think about it you will have an edge when your older because physically your body will be a little younger . just my theory
12-09-2005, 05:50 AM
The normal testosterone range is 2-10ng/dl. You are at 6.4, which isn't incredible., but right where it should be. You're fine.
12-09-2005, 05:58 AM
actually its 200-1,000 ng/day. You said your levels were at 6.4[I][I]nmols yet the range you listed is measured in ou's? You should ask your lab tech for results in terms of simple ng's or mg's.
ots actually 200Serum testosterone 6.4 nmol/L (10.5-31.0U) <--10000 ng.per day.
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