Hair Loss from Superdrol? High DHT? PLEASE HELP
- 08-01-2005, 12:38 PM
Originally Posted by bigdiddy
- 08-01-2005, 07:45 PM
I was all ready to put in an order for SD, DHEA, and Nolva and some other PCT supps for a 3-4 week cycle of superdrol and this thread just convinced me to cancel it. I was seriously going to put my credit card in when I sat down on my computer about 20 minutes ago but went to this board first and got distracted and now I have cold feet.
08-01-2005, 08:43 PM
You didnt get distracted bro, you got educated. Looking into every facet of your AAS cycle will make for a much more positive and beneficial one.
08-01-2005, 09:39 PM
you can still do the cycle as long as you have some topical anti-androgen (spiro, AA, etc.)Originally Posted by PGJPB
08-01-2005, 10:47 PM
08-02-2005, 01:56 AM
Yeah, but paying for that sort of thing crosses the line for me. Not worth it (for me) to spend that much money and risk it for a quick 10 pounds of muscle. Still bummed though, I was looking forward to trying this out.Originally Posted by Tad50
08-02-2005, 01:58 AM
Yeah i know. I actually knew this was a side when looking into this and researching it, but it wasn't until I read this thread that I finally admitted to myself that this side effect could potentially happen because I wanted to try it so badly.Originally Posted by BigVrunga
08-02-2005, 11:05 AM
How many months/weeks of shedding should I go through before starting to use Finasteride. Can anyone provide an educated answer?
08-02-2005, 11:13 AM
What do you mean "should I go through?" If it's coming out, you can use the finasteride now.Originally Posted by TheMonster
08-02-2005, 11:47 AM
I was advised by some that the damage from my Superdrol cycle and the usage of Liquid Nolvadex were the cause of this and I should wait a few months to see if the shedding ceases...Originally Posted by rrgg
This is what I was told...
I really don't think the Propecia will help at this point...hair loss is a bit like sundamage to the skin, the sun's rays are damaging skin cells while you're out in the sun but if often takes 12-24 hours to get the nasty burn. With hairloss, the effect can be delayed as well, I think this is what's happening with you. You should not experience much more hairloss, if you continue to lose hair and it becomes noticeable then your genetics are probably at fault, the prohormones just helped speed up the process. Then go see a doctor for finasteride.
08-02-2005, 12:08 PM
You don't know if the sun is still burning right now. DHT could be continuing to attack, unless you think for some reason that all of your hormone levels are back to their pre-cycle levels. I would say it's better to use finasteride right now and end it in a few months, rather than wait a few months to start it.Originally Posted by TheMonster
08-02-2005, 02:12 PM
08-02-2005, 03:11 PM
08-02-2005, 03:14 PM
Interesting. How long do you think I should use the topicals for before I start to try Finasteride. RRGG suggested Finasteride to try and get my hormone levels back to the way they were pre-cycle. Is this possible to achieve through topicals?Originally Posted by BigVrunga
08-02-2005, 03:40 PM
Dude, just order the topicals and use them . Remember, your hair is falling out more and more each day lol. Start with something, theres tons of info on here. Just try the topicals first, if things don't work out after a while get the Fina'.
08-02-2005, 03:49 PM
You've already screwed with your hormone levels enough. You'd done a proper PCT so your HPTA should be in check. If you have extra DHT in your system, Finasteride isnt going to do jack squat for you right now. Your best bet is the topicals. Azelaic acid inhibits DHT with 100% efficacy in the area of the scalp that it is applied. Finasteride only inhibits the DHT *conversion* at the 5AR enzyme, and of that 60% makes it to your hair follicles.Interesting. How long do you think I should use the topicals for before I start to try Finasteride. RRGG suggested Finasteride to try and get my hormone levels back to the way they were pre-cycle. Is this possible to achieve through topicals?
Unless you are having real problems with excess DHT (massive strength increases, oily skin, crazy sex drive, sore joints, prostate like a cabbage,etc) then you dont know FOR SURE that your hair loss problem is due to DHT, or metabolites from the anabolics you used, or just natural genetic progress.
Start with the topics - the take care of the ONLY symptom you are currently exhibiting...hair loss..without messing with the rest of your body.
08-02-2005, 06:18 PM
08-03-2005, 09:15 AM
I think I gave you the wrong impression. I was trying to correct what I felt were incorrect comments about finasteride. I wasn't really recommending that finasteride would work better than something else.
If the money's no problem I would use both finasteride and topicals now.
P.S. If you use the topicals, it might help to cut your hair short to get the stuff on your scalp.
08-07-2005, 10:58 PM
What you guys all need to understand, is that finasteride inhibits an enyme that converts test to DHt this enzyme comes in two forms type 2 and type1, the type 2 is gfound predominetly in the skin and scalp... and this is the one that fina blocks... so you understand that you are lowering your circulating levels of DHT....but!!! the mechanism in which DHT is made is local, and it is used locally at type 1 and two receptor cites you are not inhibiting type 1 so DHT is still made at the type 1 receptors which are primarly in the CNS... this is why you prolly wont see a strength loss while on it the, pretty much the same amount of DHT is hitting the Type one receptors as before(even though its a overall lower concentration...this is why TAds brothers saw no strength loss at all (hair loss, clear skin healthier prostate are the main side effects of fina, the few males who did experience sex sides had kliver problems and fina was not metabolized properly and built up to extremely high concentrations in their bodies, also.. more males on placebo then on the drug in the double blind study reported sex effects!!
08-07-2005, 11:20 PM
Nice post....what do you know about dutasteride? My brother is taking both finasteride and dutasteride, which personally i feel is overkill. I told him to take either/or but not both.....he won't listen....says he doesn't want to take a chance. I know dutasteride has the ability to inhibit type 1 and type 2 enzymes. Also, I've heard that dutasteride is good for hairloss in all areas of the scalp, whereas finasteride is only good for the front and crown areas of the scalp (but not the corners). Is this true?Originally Posted by thebiochemist
Also, am i to assume that finasteride helps to clear up acne? I have acne on my back (not bad but enough to notice). I also have tghe MPB gene. So would finasteride help with acne?
08-07-2005, 11:53 PM
08-08-2005, 10:33 AM
That is not true.Originally Posted by thebiochemist
Drug-related Adverse Experiences for PROPECIA (finasteride 1mg) in Year 1 (%)
Decreased Libido 1.8% Propecia (N=945)
Decreased Libido 1.3% Placebo (N=934)
Erectile Dysfunction 1.3% Propecia (N=945)
Erectile Dysfunction 0.7% Placebo (N=934)
Decreased volume of ejaculate 1.2% (0.8%) Propecia (N=945)
Decreased volume of ejaculate 0.3% (0.4%) Placebo (N=934)
08-12-2005, 06:43 PM
08-13-2005, 12:54 AM
Yeah, they usually carry it. Probably out of stock right now. You can e-mail them via their website and ask. You can also get 5% or 2% (which I hear is really good) Spiro from minoxidil.com.Originally Posted by Warthog
08-13-2005, 09:50 AM
08-13-2005, 11:41 AM
Good read! One part of the article :
dosent sound quite right because, AFIK, you can't combine Minoxidil and Spironolactone in solution without that solution smelling really bad. Perhaps this doctor has found a way to get them both in solution.Proxiphen contains minoxidil, as well as the prescription agents phenytoin and spironolactone, SODs, copper peptides, TEMPO, PBN...over a dozen active ingredients in all. Another plus is that Dr. proctor never sits on his success with Proxiphen in that he is constantly adding new compounds to the formula if he feels they show promise for MPB.
What I found most interesting, however, was the discussion of LLLT techniques (aka The Laser Comb). Ill have to keep my eye on this...
Ive read this before, and the article mentions it as well, that an inflammatory response may be the partial cause of MPB. Well, cold reduces inflammation in tissue - I wonder if icing down your scalp twice a day would have any effect?
That may be a bit extreme though...
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