- 03-13-2003, 02:36 AM
From Dr. Juice at CJM
- With spring & summer approaching seems guys and gals here may be a little confused about fat burning agents. Im going to briefly discuss the most effective ones.
- Anabolic Steroids
Dieting causes both fat and muscle loss, this is a comman truth. The trick is to loss the most fat and the least muscle. This is where our anabolic come in. Steroids act powerfully against the process of catabolism; the process in which your body breaks down existing muscle mass for immediate energy.
Therefore, most male dieters who are willing to use drugs should use some sort of steroid therapy. I would recommend testosterone at a moderately high dosage and some deca-durabolin or anavar. Yes, deca-durabolin will cause water retention, as will the testosterone, but when you come off the cycle the water will fall off. The most important thing to remember here is that you want the strongest androgen base you can afford and tolerate so that you lose as little muscle as possible. If you are concerned with holding water and have access to winstrol, trenbolone acetate (fina), and primobolan these drugs could be used. However, this is not a post on contest prep, but rather getting yourself down to a maintainable low level of body fat. With this is mind it is best to disregard the water retention aspect of most drugs. I would suggest weekly dosages of 500-1000 mg of testosterone per week (I would use a faster acting testosterone like propionate if I could, taken daily) along with 300-500 mg of deca-durabolin per week. Trenbolone could be used at dosages of 50-100 mg taken every other day.
- Ephedrine and Clenbuterol
Both of these compounds belong to the family of beta-adrenic receptor agonists. There are already numerous articles on these two drugs work and how to use them, so I will not go deeply into the biochemistry of these drugs. Suffice it to say that both drugs increase the body's metabolic rate substantially, maintain energy levels despite caloric deficit, and are thought to maintain muscle mass. The key difference between Ephedrine and Clenbuterol is that clenbuterol has much more rapid receptor attenuation, it stops working more quickly. It is more powerful, but it doesn't work for as long. In the final analysis, clenbuterol and ephedrine should be used together. I would propose two weeks of clenbuterol, then two weeks of ephedrine (with the standard addition of caffeine and aspirin or just caffeine), then back to the clenbuterol.
- T3 Thyroid Hormone (Cytomel)
There are two approaches to using T3. One, involves keeping your metabolism at a high, but not unnaturally high rate. Basically you are using the T3 to keep your metabolism to what it should be despite your low calories. You monitor your temperature and adjust it upwards with thyroid hormone. This is not my preferred method of using T3. Maintaining this "optimal metabolic rate" with drugs is going to cause your natural thyroid axis to shut down, usually for about eight weeks!.
Why then, if you are already going to have this shunted natural output, shouldn't you use enough T3 to put you "over the top." To this end, T3 should be used for six week periods at dosages of between 75-100 mcg. I have just recently read an email wherein someone talks about using 200 mcg of T3; apparently the "pros" he knows do this. Great, and I bet our compatriot weighs 160 pounds. Too much T3 is catabolic. You need to find balance, and balance in this case is in the dosage range I recommended. I also posted a sensible clen/T-3 cycle in an earlier thread and have used with great results.
Cytomel works amazingl for women too, but increased catabolism will be observed. If a woman is not going to use AS she would be better off using T3 just to keep ahead of the game. Dosages for women should be lower then those used by males.
Fitness models live on T3 and clenbuterol because it means they can eat like **** and still look good. The temptation with this drug is too use it constantly to replace proper eating. Bad idea, ever wonder why fitness models have careers that last about two years. That's about the longest a body can stand up to the cytomel, clenbuterol, and cocaine before it shuts down. Do not consider the cytomel a license to gorge yourself. The lower your calories the better the drug works. You can use cytomel to not get fat, but that is a very dangerous habit to get into.
A whole generation of 70's housewives had to go through withdrawal from their peppy diet pills which were nothing more then amphetamines. Amphetamines kill appetite!, ever see a fat speed addict?. They also make the user more motivated and more likely to exercise. Try popping 50 mg of ephedrine and see how much more attractive the stairclimber looks!
The most powerful amphetamines are the illegal ones, cocaine and methamphetamines. Strange enough its probably easier to get access to these drugs then most AS or diet drugs mentioned in this post. The biggest problem with amphetamines is that they are addictive. I have never seen a sensible cocaine dosing schedule that permits weight-loss without addiction.
The second problem with amphetamines is that you just don't eat. It might sound good, but not exactly as were trying to eat to keep up muscle mass and also maintain some degree of thyroid function.
So there they are, a brief description of the fat burners Ive used in the past and gotten results with. If you choose to try any of the compounds Ive mentioned above "remember" to research all you can, ask questions and be sensible! before embarking on your fat loss journey. ~DJ~ <IMG alt="" src="http://www.canadianjuicemonsters.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" border=0> Good Luck
- 03-13-2003, 10:16 AM
Good ****, Bone.
- 03-13-2003, 10:40 AM
nice, quick and simple. good **** indeed
03-17-2003, 10:42 AM
- 5'11" 200 lbs.
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One thing that perplexes me is that in my experience Naturals lose very little muscle when they cut down for contest. I have always found that drug users seem to lose much more weight and give up more muscle then Naturals. I lose very little muscle when I diet as a natural it's hardly even a concern really. My mentor loses no muscle at all it would seem. (He's lifetime Natural).Dieting causes both fat and muscle loss, this is a comman truth. The trick is to loss the most fat and the least muscle. This is where our anabolic come in. Steroids act powerfully against the process of catabolism; the process in which your body breaks down existing muscle mass for immediate energy.
My theory is a lot of Naturals have taken a long time putting on the muscle, a lot of a Naturals muscle has been there for years and they don't risk this muscle when they diet. Sure we still take precautions and we keep extremely tight diets but were usually pretty succesful maintaining mass.
Now when I start using things like 1 Test this suddenly becomes more of a concern. Just an observation. I'm not negating the statement it's just a different way of thinking. Anyhow it's just another really good reason to remain natural for as long as possible b4 starting use. Develop a good base which I believe takes at least 5 to 6 years.
03-17-2003, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by DreamWeaver
One thing that perplexes me is that in my experience Naturals lose very little muscle when they cut down for contest. I have always found that drug users seem to lose much more weight and give up more muscle then Naturals.
03-17-2003, 11:54 AM
lol... looks like a "WTF" if I ever saw oneOriginally posted by scotty2
03-17-2003, 01:03 PM
- 5'11" 200 lbs.
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Yah I expected this. Ok let me try to explain further, I have been Natural for about 12 years and competitive for the last few as a lifetime natural, when I cut down I usually lose a couple lbs of muscle (I believe because I do a lot of cardio near the end as I have a hard time getting lean). When I read diets that people who are on drugs they are losing massive amounts of weight so I only assume they must be losing more than 1 or 2 lbs of muscle. My mentor who is also natural loses no muscle whatsoever so he claims, he has 30 years experience so I don't argue with him. I have no experience with drugs so I can only assume that gains brought on through drugs (faster gains) are more prone to muscle loss. Hope this clears up my point a bit.
Last edited by DreamWeaver; 03-17-2003 at 01:18 PM.
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