Can we build muscles without protein supplements?

[Derek Wilson]

How many points you can share? Hope all of them will be great to try.

 

[BloodManor]

Nope
Without my post whey shake I go catabolic and did not make any gains from working out. The anabolic window is scary

Seriously I use 2 scoops a day - just makes it super easy to get my protein in while keeping my cals low

 

[TheSuppGuy]

Nope
Without my post whey shake I go catabolic and did not make any gains from working out. The anabolic window is scary

Seriously I use 2 scoops a day - just makes it super easy to get my protein in while keeping my cals low

I don't think you need protein after a workout if you were sufficient on it intra. I used to be the guy having to take my BCAAs instantly, with carbs, and then protein powder exactly 30 minutes after. Now if I know I had eaten a breakfast of 75g protein, and do a workout an hour later, I KNOW my body has not used all of it in that period of time. If it had, I would need to eat 400g like Jay Cutler did... I'm natural, if you are enhanced, it is another ball game since the protein synthesis works at a totally different degree. Some people suggest, not eating post workout, since the fat burning benefits are so good at that point. They suggest having some caffeine and not breaking that "fast".

Personally, I take BCAAs post workout if I feel like it, and within 15-20 minutes, I am at home, and of course, the first thing I do is find protein. Either from foods, or through a shake at 60g whey-80 (my go-to amount, 3 scoops). I aim for 200g of it, sometimes a little less. I know I can get away with 130g of protein, but since higher amounts raise IGF-1 levels, and makes you feel more full, and needs way more energy to metabolize compared to a carb, and since they are less likely stored as fats, I keep my protein intake high relative to my fats and carbs. 100g carbs is 400 cals while 100g protein is 400 cals, but 400 cals of protein takes a high amount of cals to digest, since the molecules are so long and complex. And the apetite effect + the IGF-1 thing makes this so good when cutting!!

Hope I was informative, I'm from Sweden so my english may not be perfect!!

 

[Young Gotti]

i'm confused by the question but no, you do not need protein powder to build muscle if you can get enough protein from whole food

protein powder is funny because it's something you can get from your diet but the quality, price, and convenience of protein powder makes it an easy supplement choice

I haven't used a protein shake post workout in a very long time....the protein powder I use is mixed in yogurt for a snack midday and I usually drink one pre workout and then aminos intra which makes post workout not needed imo

 

[john.patterson]

How many points you can share? Hope all of them will be great to try.

A bit confused by the question as well. But to answer the question in the title - no, you don't need supplements to build muscle. If you are consuming a sufficient amount of protein in your diet, supplements aren't needed.

 

[User]

Protein is just part of the equation, muscle gains is much more related to hormone levels/androgen receptors than to protein intake, a example is that dude that only eats "crap" food, trains 3x/week and looks better than you all year round, obviously if you're not making any gains checking your nutrition is a good start, but getting your hormones checked will give a much more clear answer, if your hormones levels are chitty, working out is a waste of time if bodybuilding is your thing

 

[The Solution]

OP is the master of troll threads
Just read his post history:

Can you make a shrimp and spinach pasta without cheese?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/307145-can-you-make.html

Whats the highest amount of weight you ever bicep curled?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/306863-whats-highest-amount.html

What is the weight ratio of bone to meat in a Tomahawk Steak?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/307146-what-weight-ratio.html

and half of his replies are
Oh, Ok Thanks, Awesome
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/306864-have-you-ever.html

 

[TheSuppGuy]

OP is the master of troll threads
Just read his post history:

Can you make a shrimp and spinach pasta without cheese?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/307145-can-you-make.html

Whats the highest amount of weight you ever bicep curled?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/306863-whats-highest-amount.html

What is the weight ratio of bone to meat in a Tomahawk Steak?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/307146-what-weight-ratio.html

and half of his replies are
Oh, Ok Thanks, Awesome
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/306864-have-you-ever.html

Good for him, if he gets the stuff his looking for.

Everyone is different and any help is good at all times. Maybe he is not trolling.

 

[jameschoi]

How do the guys in prison look so shredded with the chetty food they eat?

 

[TheSuppGuy]

How do the guys in prison look so shredded with the chetty food they eat?

AAS

 

[aaronuconn]

Of course you don’t need protein supplements. They just make life easier

 

[BloodManor]

AAS

This ^ plenty of it in there. Plus with the food they can get if they have money it’s easy to build muscle. They sell lots of sausage and noodle kits in the food hall

 

[cheftepesh1]

Protein Supps are not needed if your diet is in check. The idea is to aid in getting what you need.

 

[Nutrex]

Protein Supps are not needed if your diet is in check. The idea is to aid in getting what you need.

This. Plus the ease of getting it or the calories from your shakes. When you have a busy lifestyle it helps.

 

[Anabaholic]

Like everyone said, no, you don't exactly 'need' protein powder, but it is a cheap and low fat/carb source of protein relative to whole foods, which makes it an obvious choice for people with a high protein requirement. Basically, it would be difficult and expensive for most people to get 250g+ of protein a day without supplements.

 

[aaronuconn]

Like everyone said, no, you don't exactly 'need' protein powder, but it is a cheap and low fat/carb source of protein relative to whole foods, which makes it an obvious choice for people with a high protein requirement. Basically, it would be difficult and expensive for most people to get 250g+ of protein a day without supplements.

I don’t think many people need 250g+ daily though

 

[Anabaholic]

I don’t think many people need 250g+ daily though

Of course not, no one needs that much to survive, but I shoot for 220-250g a day for building muscle.

 

[R1balla]

Of course you can. But I use them for “easy calories”. I can make a 700 calorie shake and down it very easily compared to eating a clean 700 calories.

 

[Nac]

Maybe he is not trolling.

Just like Jason Genova.

 

[aaronuconn]

Of course not, no one needs that much to survive, but I shoot for 220-250g a day for building muscle.

I wasn’t talking to survive, I was talking to build muscle

 

[LeanEngineer]

I shoot for 220-250g a day for building muscle.

Depends on the individuals stats as well. Age height weight to and goal to deteremine how much g they need of protein per day.

 

[jameschoi]

Of course not, no one needs that much to survive, but I shoot for 220-250g a day for building muscle.

Does eating 250g build more muscle?

 

[john.patterson]

Does eating 250g build more muscle?

It depends on your body weight. 1g of protein per pound of body weight is sufficient for building muscle, as long as your are eating an adequate amount of carbs and fats along with it to put yourself in a caloric surplus.

 

[Derek Wilson]

Nope
Without my post whey shake I go catabolic and did not make any gains from working out. The anabolic window is scary

Seriously I use 2 scoops a day - just makes it super easy to get my protein in while keeping my cals low

Yes, it's easy!

 

[Derek Wilson]

Nope
Without my post whey shake I go catabolic and did not make any gains from working out. The anabolic window is scary

Seriously I use 2 scoops a day - just makes it super easy to get my protein in while keeping my cals low

80/20 Ground Beef - Classic. For 4oz, you get 300 calories packed with 20g of fat and 30g of protein. Don’t mind that it’s saturated fat. The long held misconception of its purported danger is disproven by numerous studies.

 

[Derek Wilson]

I don't think you need protein after a workout if you were sufficient on it intra. I used to be the guy having to take my BCAAs instantly, with carbs, and then protein powder exactly 30 minutes after. Now if I know I had eaten a breakfast of 75g protein, and do a workout an hour later, I KNOW my body has not used all of it in that period of time. If it had, I would need to eat 400g like Jay Cutler did... I'm natural, if you are enhanced, it is another ball game since the protein synthesis works at a totally different degree. Some people suggest, not eating post workout, since the fat burning benefits are so good at that point. They suggest having some caffeine and not breaking that "fast".

Personally, I take BCAAs post workout if I feel like it, and within 15-20 minutes, I am at home, and of course, the first thing I do is find protein. Either from foods, or through a shake at 60g whey-80 (my go-to amount, 3 scoops). I aim for 200g of it, sometimes a little less. I know I can get away with 130g of protein, but since higher amounts raise IGF-1 levels, and makes you feel more full, and needs way more energy to metabolize compared to a carb, and since they are less likely stored as fats, I keep my protein intake high relative to my fats and carbs. 100g carbs is 400 cals while 100g protein is 400 cals, but 400 cals of protein takes a high amount of cals to digest, since the molecules are so long and complex. And the apetite effect + the IGF-1 thing makes this so good when cutting!!

Hope I was informative, I'm from Sweden so my english may not be perfect!!

Seriously informational!

 

[Derek Wilson]

i'm confused by the question but no, you do not need protein powder to build muscle if you can get enough protein from whole food

protein powder is funny because it's something you can get from your diet but the quality, price, and convenience of protein powder makes it an easy supplement choice

I haven't used a protein shake post workout in a very long time....the protein powder I use is mixed in yogurt for a snack midday and I usually drink one pre workout and then aminos intra which makes post workout not needed imo

You are right, Brah!
If you’re going to make an exception, make it for protein shakes. A quick shake - mixed with whole milk - is a calorie dense rich on the go snack.

 

[Derek Wilson]

A bit confused by the question as well. But to answer the question in the title - no, you don't need supplements to build muscle. If you are consuming a sufficient amount of protein in your diet, supplements aren't needed.

Supplements for easy to gain big muscle. Isn't it, Brah? Food is always the Boss!

 

[Derek Wilson]

A bit confused by the question as well. But to answer the question in the title - no, you don't need supplements to build muscle. If you are consuming a sufficient amount of protein in your diet, supplements aren't needed.

One of my big brothers told me to take supplements for fast muscle gaining!

 

[Derek Wilson]

Good for him, if he gets the stuff his looking for.

Everyone is different and any help is good at all times. Maybe he is not trolling.

Seriously want to know the things! Is this wrong, brah?

 

[Derek Wilson]

How do the guys in prison look so shredded with the chetty food they eat?

They must be in trouble!

 

[Derek Wilson]

Of course you don’t need protein supplements. They just make life easier

Yes, they are time savings!

 

[Derek Wilson]

Protein Supps are not needed if your diet is in check. The idea is to aid in getting what you need.

They are for fast gaining! Nothing else.

 

[Godstrength]

How do the guys in prison look so shredded with the chetty food they eat?

Its called they finally came off the street drugs and started eating and working out lol

 

[00A]

One of my big brothers told me to take supplements for fast muscle gaining!

How many brothers you got? Also how much do you bench in Kgs??

 

[djbombsquad]

You don’t need to supplement with protein to build muscle. There are other ways to build muscle with out supplementing with protein as long as you can trigger mtor.

 

[jameschoi]

You don’t need to supplement with protein to build muscle. There are other ways to build muscle with out supplementing with protein as long as you can trigger mtor.

Anyone tried 10g or leucine or more per day, does that trigger mtor to build muscle.

 

[djbombsquad]

I take immunolin

 

[Jiigzz]

OP is the master of troll threads
Just read his post history:

Can you make a shrimp and spinach pasta without cheese?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/307145-can-you-make.html

Whats the highest amount of weight you ever bicep curled?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/306863-whats-highest-amount.html

What is the weight ratio of bone to meat in a Tomahawk Steak?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/307146-what-weight-ratio.html

and half of his replies are
Oh, Ok Thanks, Awesome
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/306864-have-you-ever.html

I'm convinced it is AI trying to learn more about the human race

Haha, kidding.

But seriously, whey protein isn't needed for muscle growth. It is just a convenience tool to meet protein targets without requiring much prep.

 

[Nac]

I'm convinced it is AI trying to learn more about the human race

Seriously want to know the things! Is this wrong, brah?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Anyone tried 10g or leucine or more per day, does that trigger mtor to build muscle.

You want to get at least 3g leucine per meal/serving of protein to maximize MPS, but this can be done by consuming sufficient amounts of high-quality protein naturally in your diet. If you aren't eating multiple meals, or aren't getting enough leucine per meal/serving, then you can add some to get to that 3g mark, but additional leucine isn't necessary/beneficial if you're getting optimal amounts from your diet.

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

Good for him, if he gets the stuff his looking for.

Everyone is different and any help is good at all times. Maybe he is not trolling.

Yeah, no, he's wasting everyone's time...

His profile is blank, no goals or body stats to show where he is at, and a bunch of 101 level Q's, most he could have learned on his own without having to crowd source... As my AP Chemistry teacher told me in 10th grade, go look it up (yourself)!

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

One of my big brothers told me to take supplements for fast muscle gaining!

Really, do you take what your 'big brothers' say for gospel truth?

Like gee, golly willickers, I am 15 y/o and my older brother said drink whey protein and I'll get Yuuge quick! How fun.

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

They are for fast gaining! Nothing else.

For a guy with basic questions, the confidence of your answer is amazing now, lol.

 

[rugger48]

OP is the master of troll threads
Just read his post history:

Can you make a shrimp and spinach pasta without cheese?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/307145-can-you-make.html

Whats the highest amount of weight you ever bicep curled?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/306863-whats-highest-amount.html

What is the weight ratio of bone to meat in a Tomahawk Steak?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/307146-what-weight-ratio.html

and half of his replies are
Oh, Ok Thanks, Awesome
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/nutrition-health/306864-have-you-ever.html

I’ve tried, dudes been asking weird crap since he’s been here, no idea what he is trying to do.

 

[Aleksandar37]

Fascinating...

 

[Nac]

I’ve tried, dudes been asking weird crap since he’s been here, no idea what he is trying to do.

He just wants to know the things!

 

[Derek Wilson]

Its called they finally came off the street drugs and started eating and working out lol

Maybe you are right, Brah

 

[Derek Wilson]

How many brothers you got? Also how much do you bench in Kgs??

2 only.....

 

[Derek Wilson]

You don’t need to supplement with protein to build muscle. There are other ways to build muscle with out supplementing with protein as long as you can trigger mtor.

Hmm... By the way, what about you now, brah?