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    Have any of you guys tried this stuff or read up on it?
    What did you notice and/or what are your thoughts?

    Asking for myself and a diabetic (overweight) family member who’s looking to shed fat


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  3. I have a full bottle of SNS TTA500 left. I wanted to run it this month pre vacation, however I'm doing a lot of cardio, and I think I read its not good with increased cardio?

    Not hijacking, just hoping we can get that answered too.
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  4. People have reported good results with it. It was very popular 5 or so years ago I believe. I'm not sure why it wouldn't be good with increased cardio other than maybe if you go hypoglycemic. It activates PPARa, and activation of PPARa up-regulates the uptake and burning of fats. It would, unless I am missing something, likely shine with increased cardio. Where did you read otherwise? It's not like I'm an expert here...I've only used it 1X when I got some bulk powder cheap and I had moderate results with a less than ideal diet...so I can't really say it was or wasn't effective.
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  5. OP - Are you talking Type I or Type II diabetic? Keep in mind this will be more of an anti-cholesterol/lipid compound than an anti-diabetes compound.
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  6. it did not work for me, fasting is way better that this

  7. Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    OP - Are you talking Type I or Type II diabetic? Keep in mind this will be more of an anti-cholesterol/lipid compound than an anti-diabetes compound.
    I’ll ask and let you know. I don’t know a huge amount about diabetes and need to do a bit more research first.
    I’m asking because I came across this article and I remember that some diabetics suffer from insulin resistance
    http://www.metabolicalchemy.com/tetr...ng-a-comeback/

    My thinking is that seeing as excess body fat is known to cause diabetes, if i could help her get lean-ish then hopefully that will alleviate her diabetes.
    She became diabetic in her 40s maybe 50s and so it’s possible that that happened as she put on weight.
    Even if it doesn’t alleviate her diabetes, she’s 80 something now, has joint and mobility problems and so at the very least helping her get lean-ish should help with those and make her final years that but better.

    The article says that people were concerned about the potential side-effects of consuming something that can’t be metabolised however none of the human trials have indicated that TTA supplementation is harmful in any way

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  9. Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    People have reported good results with it. It was very popular 5 or so years ago I believe. I'm not sure why it wouldn't be good with increased cardio other than maybe if you go hypoglycemic. It activates PPARa, and activation of PPARa up-regulates the uptake and burning of fats. It would, unless I am missing something, likely shine with increased cardio. Where did you read otherwise? It's not like I'm an expert here...I've only used it 1X when I got some bulk powder cheap and I had moderate results with a less than ideal diet...so I can't really say it was or wasn't effective.
    I'll see if I can find the study.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    I’ll ask and let you know. I don’t know a huge amount about diabetes and need to do a bit more research first.
    I’m asking because I came across this article and I remember that some diabetics suffer from insulin resistance
    http://www.metabolicalchemy.com/tetr...ng-a-comeback/

    My thinking is that seeing as excess body fat is known to cause diabetes, if i could help her get lean-ish then hopefully that will alleviate her diabetes.
    She became diabetic in her 40s maybe 50s and so it’s possible that that happened as she put on weight.
    Even if it doesn’t alleviate her diabetes, she’s 80 something now, has joint and mobility problems and so at the very least helping her get lean-ish should help with those and make her final years that but better.

    The article says that people were concerned about the potential side-effects of consuming something that can’t be metabolised however none of the human trials have indicated that TTA supplementation is harmful in any way
    Ok man. Here is the thing. You mean well, but are you seriously considering putting an 80+ year old woman on a chemical you know nothing about?

    She isnt trying to get ripped. There is no magic here.

    If she is 80 years old there are going to be a lot of things going on. One big issue is that most people in her position get treated with MULTIPLE drugs. Do you know everything she takes?

    The other issue is that as we age, starting in some people as early as their 40s, we start losing muscle. By the time you are in your 80's this muscle loss is happening at an accelerated rate and becomes a real challenge.

    Many many many 80 year old women are at least prediabetic and doctors will miss the diagnosis for a lot of reasons, so at least she knows.

    Increasing fatty acid uptake in a person who is diabetic and likely not very active, is not a good idea. One of the reasons obese people become diabetic is because we start to lose our metabolic flexibility - the ability to switch between fat and carbs as a fuel source. Fat people tend to burn more fat for energy, because it is in abundance, and this theoretically will keep carbs from burning efficiently, creating a kind of backlog - which creates insulin resistance and elevates blood sugars, etc.

    Her heart is likely already burning fats more than carbs for energy, and making that worse without increasing activity, sounds like a bad idea for an old person from a heart health perspective.

    If you want to help with her diabetes - go on amazon and buy a $20 set of resistance bands with handles. Start doing exercises with her. Don't treat her like she is a bodybuilder. Do 1-3 exercises 3x per week, 5 sets of 5. Do not push her, just let her adapt until she gets through a week where the lightest band is easy for 5x5 and then move up and do it all over.

    Increase her protein to a reasonable level. She doesn't need bodybuilder levels - but a lot of elderly people have trouble even hitting 50 grams of protein a day. 0.6 - 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight is a good goal. No need to go past 1 gram.

    Get her to eat real foods. Lean meats and veggies. Reduce sugars - this will be hard since elderly people have an altered taste sense and will gravitate toward sweet foods.

    But, if she is 80 and hasn't adopted a healthy lifestyle yet, don't expect her to now.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    none of the human trials have indicated that TTA supplementation is harmful in any way
    @Synapsin has claimed a few times that TTA shouldnt be used by someone with a "heart condition"; Im not sure exactly what he was basing this on but I trusted him. He may clarify if he gets this notification.

  12. I do have the impression that it is somewhat beneficial. If you are in EU, you can get 100g for about 15Ä, and its taste is pretty neutral. So you can always try it out and decide for yourself

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Nac View Post
    @Synapsin has claimed a few times that TTA shouldnt be used by someone with a "heart condition"; Im not sure exactly what he was basing this on but I trusted him. He may clarify if he gets this notification.
    I trust him too - and I would assume, as I said above, it is because increased use of lipids as a substrate for energy is a factor/cause of heart disease. I am basing this entirely on theory; but it would be interesting if he has any hard evidence in addition too this. The theory is enough for me though - it's not just made up. It is pretty well accepted that increased lipid metabolism in cardiac tissue is detrimental.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    Ok man. Here is the thing. You mean well, but are you seriously considering putting an 80+ year old woman on a chemical you know nothing about?

    She isnt trying to get ripped. There is no magic here.

    If she is 80 years old there are going to be a lot of things going on. One big issue is that most people in her position get treated with MULTIPLE drugs. Do you know everything she takes?

    The other issue is that as we age, starting in some people as early as their 40s, we start losing muscle. By the time you are in your 80's this muscle loss is happening at an accelerated rate and becomes a real challenge.

    Many many many 80 year old women are at least prediabetic and doctors will miss the diagnosis for a lot of reasons, so at least she knows.

    Increasing fatty acid uptake in a person who is diabetic and likely not very active, is not a good idea. One of the reasons obese people become diabetic is because we start to lose our metabolic flexibility - the ability to switch between fat and carbs as a fuel source. Fat people tend to burn more fat for energy, because it is in abundance, and this theoretically will keep carbs from burning efficiently, creating a kind of backlog - which creates insulin resistance and elevates blood sugars, etc.

    Her heart is likely already burning fats more than carbs for energy, and making that worse without increasing activity, sounds like a bad idea for an old person from a heart health perspective.

    If you want to help with her diabetes - go on amazon and buy a $20 set of resistance bands with handles. Start doing exercises with her. Don't treat her like she is a bodybuilder. Do 1-3 exercises 3x per week, 5 sets of 5. Do not push her, just let her adapt until she gets through a week where the lightest band is easy for 5x5 and then move up and do it all over.

    Increase her protein to a reasonable level. She doesn't need bodybuilder levels - but a lot of elderly people have trouble even hitting 50 grams of protein a day. 0.6 - 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight is a good goal. No need to go past 1 gram.

    Get her to eat real foods. Lean meats and veggies. Reduce sugars - this will be hard since elderly people have an altered taste sense and will gravitate toward sweet foods.

    But, if she is 80 and hasn't adopted a healthy lifestyle yet, don't expect her to now.
    I don’t know much about it for now and that’s why I’m researching.
    I’m very interested in what Synapsin says.
    If TTA isn’t safe and suitable then I won’t recommend it.

    I’m not treating her as a bodybuilder, but given her age and long-term sedentary habits I get the feeling she’ll be reluctant to start doing bands work, especially given how her joints are. I’m looking at joint supps to help her joints atm but until we see those working she’s unlikely to start doing bands work. I’ve advised my grandpa to start doing a bit of light lifting (not pushing himself too hard) to help offset osteoporosis and retain or even build muscle mass. The difference is that he walks for like two hours a day so isn’t sedentary and doesn’t have joint issues.

    I hear what you mean regarding increasing fatty acids but with TTA supplementation we’re looking at an extra 750mg a day.
    She understands that losing weight is her best shot at getting rid of her diabetes and so I’m recommending she reduces her fat intake and increases her lean protein intake. So her total fat intake isn’t something I’m worried about.

    As for the matter of switching fuel sources some CLA, green tea extract and OL assassinate would help.
    CLA + TTA would mean <4g of additional fat a day which she could easily offset by reducing fats from other sources.
    Some omega 3s and garlic extract will help her heart.

    At her age she’d be more open to taking a few caps a day than to hardcore dietary changes (reducing fats a bit and increasing lean meats won’t be too hard I reckon) and exercise.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    Ok man. Here is the thing. You mean well, but are you seriously considering putting an 80+ year old woman on a chemical you know nothing about?

    She isnt trying to get ripped. There is no magic here.

    If she is 80 years old there are going to be a lot of things going on. One big issue is that most people in her position get treated with MULTIPLE drugs. Do you know everything she takes?

    The other issue is that as we age, starting in some people as early as their 40s, we start losing muscle. By the time you are in your 80's this muscle loss is happening at an accelerated rate and becomes a real challenge.

    Many many many 80 year old women are at least prediabetic and doctors will miss the diagnosis for a lot of reasons, so at least she knows.

    Increasing fatty acid uptake in a person who is diabetic and likely not very active, is not a good idea. One of the reasons obese people become diabetic is because we start to lose our metabolic flexibility - the ability to switch between fat and carbs as a fuel source. Fat people tend to burn more fat for energy, because it is in abundance, and this theoretically will keep carbs from burning efficiently, creating a kind of backlog - which creates insulin resistance and elevates blood sugars, etc.

    Her heart is likely already burning fats more than carbs for energy, and making that worse without increasing activity, sounds like a bad idea for an old person from a heart health perspective.

    If you want to help with her diabetes - go on amazon and buy a $20 set of resistance bands with handles. Start doing exercises with her. Don't treat her like she is a bodybuilder. Do 1-3 exercises 3x per week, 5 sets of 5. Do not push her, just let her adapt until she gets through a week where the lightest band is easy for 5x5 and then move up and do it all over.

    Increase her protein to a reasonable level. She doesn't need bodybuilder levels - but a lot of elderly people have trouble even hitting 50 grams of protein a day. 0.6 - 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight is a good goal. No need to go past 1 gram.

    Get her to eat real foods. Lean meats and veggies. Reduce sugars - this will be hard since elderly people have an altered taste sense and will gravitate toward sweet foods.

    But, if she is 80 and hasn't adopted a healthy lifestyle yet, don't expect her to now.
    I donít know much about it for now and thatís why Iím researching.
    Iím very interested in what Synapsin says.
    If TTA isnít safe and suitable then I wonít recommend it.

    Iím not treating her as a bodybuilder, but given her age and long-term sedentary habits I get the feeling sheíll be reluctant to start doing bands work, especially given how her joints are. Iím looking at joint supps to help her joints atm but until we see those working sheís unlikely to start doing bands work. Iíve advised my grandpa to start doing a bit of light lifting (not pushing himself too hard) to help offset osteoporosis and retain or even build muscle mass. The difference is that he walks for like two hours a day so isnít sedentary and doesnít have joint issues.

    I hear what you mean regarding increasing fatty acids but with TTA supplementation weíre looking at an extra 750mg a day.
    She understands that losing weight is her best shot at getting rid of her diabetes and so Iím recommending she reduces her fat intake and increases her lean protein intake. So her total fat intake isnít something Iím worried about.

    As for the matter of switching fuel sources some CLA, green tea extract and OL assassinate would help.
    CLA + TTA would mean <4g of additional fat a day which she could easily offset by reducing fats from other sources

    At her age sheíd be more open to taking a few caps a day than to hardcore dietary changes (reducing fats a bit and increasing lean meats wonít be too hard I reckon) and exercise.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mbonheur View Post
    I do have the impression that it is somewhat beneficial. If you are in EU, you can get 100g for about 15€, and its taste is pretty neutral. So you can always try it out and decide for yourself
    I have a small bag on the way to try out but I reckon this is one of those things with which you won’t exactly notice much as it works in the background. It’s glucose sparing and so you may be marginally fuller especially when on low carbs but it’s likely to be hard to notice
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    Dude
    Sheís 80 years old buying her placebo CLA and TTA is not the fix. Fix her diet
    Even in obese subjects CLA was proven insufficient.

    You either love throwing money down the drain or want to take everything and anything
    user the sun. I am starting to wonder if you are dukethumpers long lost brother.

    The lady is not going to be doing any exercise besides a brisk walk at her age and her medical condition. This should be taken care of with her doctors. Even if it made a .000000001 difference if she is overweight and sedentary the problem is what she is eating not what she is supplementing.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    I don’t know much about it for now and that’s why I’m researching.
    I’m very interested in what Synapsin says.
    If TTA isn’t safe and suitable then I won’t recommend it.

    I’m not treating her as a bodybuilder, but given her age and long-term sedentary habits I get the feeling she’ll be reluctant to start doing bands work, especially given how her joints are. I’m looking at joint supps to help her joints atm but until we see those working she’s unlikely to start doing bands work. I’ve advised my grandpa to start doing a bit of light lifting (not pushing himself too hard) to help offset osteoporosis and retain or even build muscle mass. The difference is that he walks for like two hours a day so isn’t sedentary and doesn’t have joint issues.

    I hear what you mean regarding increasing fatty acids but with TTA supplementation we’re looking at an extra 750mg a day.
    She understands that losing weight is her best shot at getting rid of her diabetes and so I’m recommending she reduces her fat intake and increases her lean protein intake. So her total fat intake isn’t something I’m worried about.

    As for the matter of switching fuel sources some CLA, green tea extract and OL assassinate would help.
    CLA + TTA would mean <4g of additional fat a day which she could easily offset by reducing fats from other sources

    At her age she’d be more open to taking a few caps a day than to hardcore dietary changes (reducing fats a bit and increasing lean meats won’t be too hard I reckon) and exercise.
    I am sorry if I came across to make you feel defensive - not my intent. I know where you are coming from - I have a grandmother in her 90's.

    What other drugs does she use?

    As far as the fat intake - her being fat actually means her body burns more fat for energy than carbohydrates. Being fat brings up lipids in the blood - and it's available so your body has to deal with it, so it switches from burning carbs for energy to burning more fat in order to get the fat levels down (which are bad for tissues, like cardiac tissue). Since you are burning the same amount of energy whether it comes from fat or carbs, if you get more from fat that means you aren't burning the carbs. This means carbs don't get burned efficiently and they sit in the cells unused. This is a factor in insulin resistance - no matter how much insulin you use, a cell that is already full of carbs that it cannot burn is full and you cannot shuttle more carbohydrate into that full cell.

    TTA will also upgregulate fat use for energy. TTA activates PPARa, which is a starvation response. It is counter-intuitive that being fat and starving could lead to the same response, but it's the same response for opposite reasons. Being fat triggers it because you are overloaded with fat and have to get fat levels down - starving triggers more fat use because you have no food so you have to burn fat on your body to survive. Low carb diets, similarly mimick starvation and trigger similar issues.

    So it's not a matter of "how much TTA" or how much fat she is eating. She has fat on her body and TTA will increase the burning of that fat even more than it is already increased. If your heart is burning fat for energy, and not burning carbs effectively, this has implications in heart disease. So TTA could make that worse, even on a low fat diet.

    A lot of this, admittedly, is theory I've interpreted by reading studies and putting pieces together myself - but I am telling you that upregulating PPARa in a woman who is 80+ years old and diabetic may have unpredictable outcomes.

    Does she take other medications? Warfarin or other blood thinners are common in that age group.

    My grandmother fought the bands too. That's why I started off light. I made it so easy that she didn't even see it as exercise really....slowly increased until it was a little challenging...then more....until she had the habit and the challenge wasn't a bother.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by alvin1 View Post
    it did not work for me, fasting is way better that this
    You're comparing a supplement to a change in dietary habits, of course the latter always wins out. Decreased Calorie intake will always win.

    In saying that, SNS made a few runs a little while ago so i stoked up while i had the chance, i found it incredibly useful when used with another fat burner of some kind as i also need stimulation to curb my appetite.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Dude
    She’s 80 years old buying her placebo CLA and TTA is not the fix. Fix her diet
    Even in obese subjects CLA was proven insufficient.

    You either love throwing money down the drain or want to take everything and anything
    user the sun. I am starting to wonder if you are dukethumpers long lost brother.

    The lady is not going to be doing any exercise besides a brisk walk at her age and her medical condition. This should be taken care of with her doctors. Even if it made a .000000001 difference if she is overweight and sedentary the problem is what she is eating not what she is supplementing.
    This ^^^^

    I really, highly, recommend against the TTA for her. It will have no benefit for diabetes. It will actually make glucose disposal worse, IMO, in a diabetic. What it does is increase the uptake and burning of fat - unless she is burning more energy (exercise) this will = a reduced need for glucose, which will mean more available glucose.

    You ARE correct that if there is a positive effect at all, it will be one of those things that is barely noticeable at all in an overweight, diabetic, 80 year old woman. And the last thing you want to do is make someone in their 80's have a lesser appetite.

    Stop for a minute and think. If you give her something, and she has a heart attack tomorrow, and there is ANY question at all about if that ingredient/chemical played a role, how will you feel about this? You are trying to help, I know, and that's admirable - but this is a bad idea.
    "I've never seen anyone change his mind because of the power of a superior argument or the acquisition of new facts. But I've seen plenty of people change behavior to avoid being mocked." -Scott Adams

  21. Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    This ^^^^

    I really, highly, recommend against the TTA for her. It will have no benefit for diabetes. It will actually make glucose disposal worse, IMO, in a diabetic. What it does is increase the uptake and burning of fat - unless she is burning more energy (exercise) this will = a reduced need for glucose, which will mean more available glucose.

    You ARE correct that if there is a positive effect at all, it will be one of those things that is barely noticeable at all in an overweight, diabetic, 80 year old woman. And the last thing you want to do is make someone in their 80's have a lesser appetite.

    Stop for a minute and think. If you give her something, and she has a heart attack tomorrow, and there is ANY question at all about if that ingredient/chemical played a role, how will you feel about this? You are trying to help, I know, and that's admirable - but this is a bad idea.
    Thanks for your input. I’m here asking for a reason.
    In the meantime I’m gonna see if TTA works for me

  22. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Dude
    She’s 80 years old buying her placebo CLA and TTA is not the fix. Fix her diet
    Even in obese subjects CLA was proven insufficient.

    You either love throwing money down the drain or want to take everything and anything
    user the sun. I am starting to wonder if you are dukethumpers long lost brother.

    The lady is not going to be doing any exercise besides a brisk walk at her age and her medical condition. This should be taken care of with her doctors. Even if it made a .000000001 difference if she is overweight and sedentary the problem is what she is eating not what she is supplementing.
    The fact that something's insufficient for reversing obesity doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be helpful or make things easier.
    If I can make things that bit easier for her or for me for $12 a month then I’ll do it.
    I make p for a lot of reasons and making the lives of the people I care for and myself easier is a major one.
    In any case it’s not as if she’s skint. She said herself that she’s willing to pay to better her health
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    Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    The fact that something's insufficient for reversing obesity doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be helpful or make things easier.
    If I can make things that bit easier for her or for me for $12 a month then I’ll do it.
    I make p for a lot of reasons and making the lives of the people I care for and myself easier is a major one.
    In any case it’s not as if she’s skint. She said herself that she’s willing to pay to better her health
    So your going to feed someone overweight products that have research and dont prove to be worthy in obese individuals.
    You really love spending money on placebo products and not focusing on your diet.
    Someone who ages their major downfall is how they eat. Which is exactly whta is the problem here.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17490954
    Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) has been shown to be an effective supplement for reducing fat mass in animals, whereas results in humans have been inconsistent.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17903328
    Experiments in humans have not been able to show a significant effect on body weight, body composition
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4574006/
    Despite studies on CLA supplementation for the purpose of investigating changes in body composition and other benefits, both in animals and in humans, they are very discordant.



    You can't supplement a bad diet, but in your case you love to try anything and everything regardless of what anyone tells you.

    My grandma is 87 years old and should be dead right now, ever since she has changed her diet she keeps feeling better and improving her wellbeing because she has made major dietary adjustments. She was diagnosed with cancer and is still kicking 5 years later when the doctor told her a few years ago she is lucky to be alive.
    She did not drop 30 pounds and get in better shape by taking CLA and TTA.

    Again seems like you have your mind made up, but if you want to waste the money on something that wont make a significant difference thats on you bud. I highly doubt the doctors would prescribe an OTC placebo pill to someone who has diabetic issues.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    So your going to feed someone overweight products that have research and dont prove to be worthy in obese individuals.
    You really love spending money on placebo products and not focusing on your diet.
    Someone who ages their major downfall is how they eat. Which is exactly whta is the problem here.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17490954
    Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) has been shown to be an effective supplement for reducing fat mass in animals, whereas results in humans have been inconsistent.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17903328
    Experiments in humans have not been able to show a significant effect on body weight, body composition
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4574006/
    Despite studies on CLA supplementation for the purpose of investigating changes in body composition and other benefits, both in animals and in humans, they are very discordant.



    You can't supplement a bad diet, but in your case you love to try anything and everything regardless of what anyone tells you.

    My grandma is 87 years old and should be dead right now, ever since she has changed her diet she keeps feeling better and improving her wellbeing because she has made major dietary adjustments. She was diagnosed with cancer and is still kicking 5 years later when the doctor told her a few years ago she is lucky to be alive.
    She did not drop 30 pounds and get in better shape by taking CLA and TTA.

    Again seems like you have your mind made up, but if you want to waste the money on something that wont make a significant difference thats on you bud. I highly doubt the doctors would prescribe an OTC placebo pill to someone who has diabetic issues.
    I don’t understand why you seem to selectively ignore parts of what I say

    As I said, I’m advising her on her diet. I’ve advised her to consume more lean protein and veggies and less baked goods and fruit.
    The extra stuff is just to make things a bit easier for her.
    I’ve never debated that diet comes first alongside least total calorie intake vs total expenditure, I’m just trying to make it a bit easier. As someone who’s never eaten low carb or fasted in her life, reducing carbs (alongside fats) may leave her feeling lethargic, I’m just trying to make it a bit more pleasant for her

    I’m aware that the research on CLA is patchy but given the price I’m willing to give it a shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post

    I’m aware that the research on CLA is patchy but given the price I’m willing to give it a shot.
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