Any new natty anobolics?

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  1. Any new natty anobolics?


    Been at least a year since I’ve run another thing outside of fish/daily/tumeric.

    Any new natty anabolics that actually work on the market?


  2. Vector by BLR is a pretty popular one that a lot of people have logged and had nice results. I’d definitely check it out if you haven’t tried it.
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  3. Check out MassMax as well. There are a lot of logs on AM for it, and most users gain between 4-7 lbs of lean mass on it.

    Here's two examples



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    I ran it for 8 weeks and enjoyed it. Check out my review. I will run it again in the future. Hunger, weight, and strength went up noticeably. That's impressive considering I've been training for over 20 years.


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    I recommend Mass Max XT as well. I have just finished up a two bottle run and have added 6 pounds and my strength has definitely gone up. Just yesterday I hit 300lb on the incline bench for my first time, and I'm just about to turn 50. This is actually my third time using Mass Max for a two bottle run and the first two runs were just as good as well.
    *Please note the XT has been dropped from all product names, however the formula is the same.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Joe12 View Post
    Been at least a year since I’ve run another thing outside of fish/daily/tumeric.

    Any new natty anabolics that actually work on the market?
    What's the last product you've used? Over the last year, the two most talked about on the forum that are the newest would be MassMax and Vector. Very solid feedback and reviews on MassMax so far - it's a very complete product with a solid profile.

    ArA is always a solid option as well.
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  5. funny you guys mention MassMax while it has been tested to not contain any beta ecdysterones what so ever, total scam.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by prebzmaister View Post
    funny you guys mention MassMax while it has been tested to not contain any beta ecdysterones what so ever, total scam.
    Then how are the logs people ran saying they gained 5 pounds of lean mass wrong.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by prebzmaister View Post
    funny you guys mention MassMax while it has been tested to not contain any beta ecdysterones what so ever, total scam.
    This again? It was a “test” conducted by a US based competing company who sent this US based product to a lab in Uzbekistan to be tested. A lab that just so happens to also sell their own ecdysterone, that the first company just so happens to buy to use in their competing product. I couldn’t think of more conflicts of interest and red flags if I tried.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    This again? It was a “test” conducted by a US based competing company who sent this US based product to a lab in Uzbekistan to be tested. A lab that just so happens to also sell their own ecdysterone, that the first company just so happens to buy to use in their competing product. I couldn’t think of more conflicts of interest and red flags if I tried.
    While this is true, I am still not sure why you do not simply put up the lab test that exists to prove the contrary (has been mentioned somewhere else). Would be easy to do, although there are also conflicts of interest.

  9. Not exactly new, but if you haven't tried it I'd suggest FD2. It's a solid forum favourite and has loads of positive reviews/logs.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by jameschoi View Post
    Then how are the logs people ran saying they gained 5 pounds of lean mass wrong.
    How often have you had the same results as suggested by those logs? I am not saying that everything is made up, but you can surely question whether those things work as advertised and described in many logs. How many guys here ascribe weight gains to some product while they increased food by a eg 1000 calories. Everybody should increase their weight in case.

    Anyhow, I would certainly not only use the experiences on this board as a guide and get my information also from other places.

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  12. Quote Originally Posted by mbonheur View Post
    How often have you had the same results as suggested by those logs? I am not saying that everything is made up, but you can surely question whether those things work as advertised and described in many logs. How many guys here ascribe weight gains to some product while they increased food by a eg 1000 calories. Everybody should increase their weight in case.

    Anyhow, I would certainly not only use the experiences on this board as a guide and get my information also from other places.
    Food intake is for sure a factor. That said, three supplements I’ve used (MassMax, Magnitropin, and Origin) all increased my appetite and allowed me to eat more without feeling full or bloated, which helped someone like me, who has a hard time eating enough to really put on weight, bulk. Of course there are other effects, but for some people, even just an increased appetite and reduced bloating/fullness can be a huge and useful bonus. Not having to force myself to eat and then feel miserable after meals really helps me bulk and keep it up, and can be a general quality of life boost IMO.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by mbonheur View Post
    While this is true, I am still not sure why you do not simply put up the lab test that exists to prove the contrary (has been mentioned somewhere else). Would be easy to do, although there are also conflicts of interest.
    There are conflicts of interest in posting up labs?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Nac View Post
    There are conflicts of interest in posting up labs?
    No, but people might say that the lab tests are also biased/whatever, because Performax paid for them. And believe it or not, as someone who worked in this industry, this happens quite often.

    But, anyways, I am not sure whether we will ever see those lab tests. We just know that there was no edcy because the lab in Uzbekistan is biased (although they found something for other products) and that there was no higenamine in an other product by Performax because it was expired. Would be nice to have some labs to get reassured about those things.

  15. Vector hands down...

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mbonheur View Post
    No, but people might say that the lab tests are also biased/whatever, because Performax paid for them. And believe it or not, as someone who worked in this industry, this happens quite often.

    But, anyways, I am not sure whether we will ever see those lab tests. We just know that there was no edcy because the lab in Uzbekistan is biased (although they found something for other products) and that there was no higenamine in an other product by Performax because it was expired. Would be nice to have some labs to get reassured about those things.
    It would be nice if you could add something helpful to the thread and answer OP's question instead of just jumping in to make noise...

    Did you read the first post? He is asking if you have recommendations for new natural anabolic products. What do you use/have you used? What do you like?
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  17. If you have the money run Vector with Folidrone. You wont be disappointed..

  18. Quote Originally Posted by mbonheur View Post
    No, but people might say that the lab tests are also biased/whatever, because Performax paid for them. And believe it or not, as someone who worked in this industry, this happens quite often.

    But, anyways, I am not sure whether we will ever see those lab tests. We just know that there was no edcy because the lab in Uzbekistan is biased (although they found something for other products) and that there was no higenamine in an other product by Performax because it was expired. Would be nice to have some labs to get reassured about those things.
    I’m pretty sure that no product besides the one from the company who paid for the testing (who also buys their ecdy from said lab) had any meaningful levels of ecdy, with 4/5 tested products having nothing detected, and the only one having any being ~1/10 of what their product was supposedly tested at. If I was fudging lab tests, I’d put in some random low numbers at times too, that way it doesn’t seem like they’re just giving ND across the board. They’re a US based company who sent another US based company’s products around the world to test for something any lab in the US could test for, and happened to send it to the only lab in the world that has not one, but two major conflicts of interest, being both a competing supplier of ecdy AND the ones who the company paying for the tests buy their ecdy for their product from. These “tests” are insulting.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by john.patterson View Post
    It would be nice if you could add something helpful to the thread and answer OP's question instead of just jumping in to make noise...

    Did you read the first post? He is asking if you have recommendations for new natural anabolic products. What do you use/have you used? What do you like?
    Depends how you define helpful. If helpful means to suggest one your products for each question on this board and adding one competitor product to keep up the illusion of "neutrality", then my contributions are probably not helpful.

    And I already shared my experiences often enough here. The OP might have a look at the 1548 natty anabolics threads that popped up since last week. Actually, that is pretty helpful advice. Use the search function

  20. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    I’m pretty sure that no product besides the one from the company who paid for the testing (who also buys their ecdy from said lab) had any meaningful levels of ecdy, with 4/5 tested products having nothing detected, and the only one having any being ~1/10 of what their product was supposedly tested at. If I was fudging lab tests, I’d put in some random low numbers at times too, that way it doesn’t seem like they’re just giving ND across the board. They’re a US based company who sent another US based company’s products around the world to test for something any lab in the US could test for, and happened to send it to the only lab in the world that has not one, but two major conflicts of interest, being both a competing supplier of ecdy AND the ones who the company paying for the tests buy their ecdy for their product from. These “tests” are insulting.
    You might be right and those tests are complete bs. Yet, you cannot deny that conflicts of interest are not a sufficient condition for a biased lab test, if you know what I mean. Similarly, it seems just so easy to post up the labs that have already been done anyways to make a gesture for the customers (who have doubts). Same with respect to the higenamine thing. But anyways, already talked too much about this topic. That is just my humble opinion.

  21. Vector for sure.

    There is an anabolic stack up on the BLR site. Vector, Follidrone, Viron. ITs exceptional.
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  22. CEL Mtest paired with Xgels is a solid option, but there are also some other great suggestions in this thread and others like it.

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  23. I’ve tried both Mass Max and Vector both are great products, FD2 stacks well with a bulk or cut...I love a good ARA run too great natural supplement
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  24. Thanks for the feedback guys. I’ve tried practically every recommendation on the list previously LOL with the exception of Vector. So it sounds like I’ll be doing some more research. Thanks for the feedback again!

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Joe12 View Post
    Thanks for the feedback guys. I’ve tried practically every recommendation on the list previously LOL with the exception of Vector. So it sounds like I’ll be doing some more research. Thanks for the feedback again!
    The only thing that competes with Vector is Top Muscle by evomuse. Its a topical version of ARA (plus other stuff). It makes oral ARA obsolete. Good luck on your run bro...
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