[STUDY] Laxogenin reduces fat percentage, hydroxy-laxogenin increases muscle mass

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  1. [STUDY] Laxogenin reduces fat percentage, hydroxy-laxogenin increases muscle mass


    Hi everyone,

    I dont have sufficient posts to link the study but a recent one was published on ergo-log regarding laxogenin.

    I thought i would indicate it since there is not much data available on this supp. The study (double blind/placebo) indicates very promising results from oral administration (on trained subjects), even if they are preliminary and need further research.


  2. Think i been taking the wrong one all this time, Sparta Nutrition laxo does **** all..
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  3. I hope that guy’s research takes off. From the article, it sounds like he’s going to run more trials. Laxogenin has always seemed interesting, but there’s definitely not enough data on it.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by 00A View Post
    Think i been taking the wrong one all this time, Sparta Nutrition laxo does **** all..
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyk1 View Post
    I hope that guy’s research takes off. From the article, it sounds like he’s going to run more trials. Laxogenin has always seemed interesting, but there’s definitely not enough data on it.
    What i find interesting is the dosage (around 50mg, whereas most companies sell 25mg dosage) and oral bioavailability (since it seems no absorption ingredient was added to the capsules).
    Also almost 10% increase on bench performance in 4 weeks is (suspiciously) huge.

  5. The article seems to suggest it was a plant extract also. As far as I can tell, most supps use synthetic forms. I wonder if that makes much difference.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyk1 View Post
    The article seems to suggest it was a plant extract also. As far as I can tell, most supps use synthetic forms. I wonder if that makes much difference.
    Yes natural always better no matter what the companies say, they only support synthetic to make money

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyk1 View Post
    The article seems to suggest it was a plant extract also. As far as I can tell, most supps use synthetic forms. I wonder if that makes much difference.
    Yes, good observation.
    Makes you think about Standardized versions advantages.

  8. I thought the hydroxy version was just to have a better absorption, not a whole different effect.

  9. It isnt your fault if you cant read and make sense of what you're reading. The only thing that may have improved was a 6 percent increase in the size of the calf muscles of untrained rats.

    This is nothing to get excited over. I see supplement companies are all over this/these compounds also. Even going so far as to compare them with Anavar. Im going to stop acting civil for a minute abd put it like this. Someone needs to bitch slap the **** out of all these scumbags running these supplement companies. If you want real gains use real steroids. If you want to get rid of some money donate it to St Judes, an animal shelter, a homeless person on the street. Anything else but to these charlatans who belong in prison for stealing from the masses.

    Dr. Medrat out(Mic drop).

  10. Um, this article is about a human trial with the stuff. And I guess it supposedly has the same anabolic/androgenic ratio as anavar. The problem is everyone butchers that to no end and claim it’s as strong as anavar. So I definitely see your point, but there is a little more context needed.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by MedRat View Post
    It isnt your fault if you cant read and make sense of what you're reading. The only thing that may have improved was a 6 percent increase in the size of the calf muscles of untrained rats.

    This is nothing to get excited over. I see supplement companies are all over this/these compounds also. Even going so far as to compare them with Anavar. Im going to stop acting civil for a minute abd put it like this. Someone needs to bitch slap the **** out of all these scumbags running these supplement companies. If you want real gains use real steroids. If you want to get rid of some money donate it to St Judes, an animal shelter, a homeless person on the street. Anything else but to these charlatans who belong in prison for stealing from the masses.

    Dr. Medrat out(Mic drop).
    This is not a personal thing, so I apologize - but it is amazing how we can be right and wrong at the same time. Yes, most supplement companies are optimistic, many are outright liars - but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. I am thankful for many supplements that are available to me without medical intervention, that I believe do have long-term benefits.

    I think most people need to change their views on supplements though. Many things we do for health benefits, we do long-term. Drugs are viewed as acute solutions to long-term problems - but they always have trade offs. We accept that certain things are good for us, like exercise and veggies, without any acute benefits. You don't get sick and say, "Oh, I'll go for a run and that will get rid of my problem".

    No, we know we have to eat broccoli and exercise consistently for them to have an effect. Yet, with supplements - we expect them to be instant or magical. I take fish oil, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, NAC on the regular, but I don't notice much from it consciously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyk1 View Post
    Um, this article is about a human trial with the stuff. And I guess it supposedly has the same anabolic/androgenic ratio as anavar. The problem is everyone butchers that to no end and claim it’s as strong as anavar. So I definitely see your point, but there is a little more context needed.
    Here is the link to ergo-log that discusses it: https://www.ergo-log.com/laxogenin-r...scle-mass.html

    I assume it will be on the front page of this site eventually; if not already. I can't read the original study because it isn't in English and I don't have time to deal with translations right now....

  12. Excuse me for the broad generalization regarding supplement companies. There are many supplements which work well. B vitmans, small amounts of E, vitamin C, Zinc Picolinate, NAC, ALCAR, tyrosine,theanine, taurine, arginine, and more.

    Ive been witness to supplement companies shoving minor amounts of ingredients that arent very effective. Theres a minimum edfective dose to everything.

    The dispicable companies take one small study showing a few percentages in muscle mass or weight loss and run with it. 50, 80, 120 dollars for products that do very little. Ill spend more time researching these two products. Right now, I am not overly optimistic.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by MedRat View Post
    Excuse me for the broad generalization regarding supplement companies. There are many supplements which work well. B vitmans, small amounts of E, vitamin C, Zinc Picolinate, NAC, ALCAR, tyrosine,theanine, taurine, arginine, and more.

    Ive been witness to supplement companies shoving minor amounts of ingredients that arent very effective. Theres a minimum edfective dose to everything.

    The dispicable companies take one small study showing a few percentages in muscle mass or weight loss and run with it. 50, 80, 120 dollars for products that do very little. Ill spend more time researching these two products. Right now, I am not overly optimistic.
    Haha. I hear you loud and clear. I wasn't saying you personally were wrong. It's just unfortunate that we have to be so skeptical - but I am part of my own problem too. Sometimes I read about an ingredient and I get so excited. I WANT to believe it will work. And I think sometimes the people making claims are in a similar position...they want it to work for people. It just doesn't.

    Unfortunately, your skepticism is well founded because a lot of companies are disingenuous at best in their marketing.

    I always view myself like Fox Mulder. I know there are no magic supplements, but I want to believe and I am going to keep looking.

  14. What dosages have been experimented with?
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  15. creanite.com (same guys site) he sells supplements - guessing his special laxo is available from him

    Creanite
    Grensstraat 4R
    4645 BS Putte
    The Netherlands

    Phone:
    Mon, Tue, Thu, Fri 12-14.00

    Information:
    J. de Heij, pharmacist
    Tel. 0164 603336
    R. Meijer, sports dietitian

    To order:
    info @ creanite .com
    Tel. 0164 603336

    = All prices include 6% VAT and excluding shipping costs
    = Lower prices for larger quantities, eg 400 or 1000 capsules
    = The most common quantities are mentioned here
    = Inquire about the prices of substances that are not on the list
    = The raw materials are also available per 1-2-3 or more kilograms
    = These prices are the applicable prices
    = Gray rules indicate that a substance is (temporarily) not available
    Prijslijst = Price List in Dutch.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Chamaan View Post
    Hi everyone,

    I dont have sufficient posts to link the study but a recent one was published on ergo-log regarding laxogenin.

    I thought i would indicate it since there is not much data available on this supp. The study (double blind/placebo) indicates very promising results from oral administration (on trained subjects), even if they are preliminary and need further research.
    Is this the study?

    http://www.ergo-log.com/laxogenin-re...scle-mass.html
    Performax Labs Product Specialist
    Follow My Journey: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/269588-antms-lean-bulk.html

  17. I am sure these “purified extracts” are wonder pills, you know, only need 44mgs for amazingness.

  18. In my experience, laxogenin needs to have absorption enhancement (cyclosomal preferred) and then must be dosed at 300mg/ED and increased by 100mg weekly.

    A company would be wise to offer 500mg 5a laxogenin capsules with enhanced delivery, and include a nutrient partitioner. Think about what that would actually do.

  19. Transdermal works for me. Prefer Incongenin over Dermastrength. Oral is useless. Top Muscle includes Laxo btw.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by AntM1564 View Post
    Is this the study?
    yes

  21. Quote Originally Posted by bigsmall View Post
    Transdermal works for me. Prefer Incongenin over Dermastrength. Oral is useless. Top Muscle includes Laxo btw.
    iconogenin is the best I've used...iconogenin and sustain alpha/dermacrine are 35% off for labor day sale at iconicformulatiuons.com
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    use code THEBIGT for 25% off

  22. Quote Originally Posted by 00A View Post
    Yes natural always better no matter what the companies say, they only support synthetic to make money
    Creatine might disagree.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Old Witch View Post
    In my experience, laxogenin needs to have absorption enhancement (cyclosomal preferred) and then must be dosed at 300mg/ED and increased by 100mg weekly.

    A company would be wise to offer 500mg 5a laxogenin capsules with enhanced delivery, and include a nutrient partitioner. Think about what that would actually do.
    Thats crazy, don't think I have seen anything over 100mgs..
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by double s View Post
    Thats crazy, don't think I have seen anything over 100mgs..
    OL's

    actually just bought a bottle cause my shoulder has been hurting and wanted to give this a try over a more typical joint support
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