[STUDY] Laxogenin reduces fat percentage, hydroxy-laxogenin increases muscle mass

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by double s View Post
    Thats crazy, don't think I have seen anything over 100mgs..
    I don't think it's crazy considering the results at that dose. 100mg 2x a day is weak. You wouldn't see results from other quite similar compounds at that dosage either. At 500mg 2x daily 5a laxogenin really shines though. Much in the way that androsterone and epiandro do at that dosage, except I think better tbh. 6keto OhP also, high dosage.

    Hopefully the market shifts to support this idea soon.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Old Witch View Post
    I don't think it's crazy considering the results at that dose. 100mg 2x a day is weak. You wouldn't see results from other quite similar compounds at that dosage either. At 500mg 2x daily 5a laxogenin really shines though. Much in the way that androsterone and epiandro do at that dosage, except I think better tbh. 6keto OhP also, high dosage.

    Hopefully the market shifts to support this idea soon.
    Who sells at this dosage, confused to where you getting this info from?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Chamaan View Post
    Hi everyone,

    I dont have sufficient posts to link the study but a recent one was published on ergo-log regarding laxogenin.

    I thought i would indicate it since there is not much data available on this supp. The study (double blind/placebo) indicates very promising results from oral administration (on trained subjects), even if they are preliminary and need further research.
    Study ?
    I would not call it study at all. And the guy who made the "study" owns supplement company.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Old Witch View Post
    I don't think it's crazy considering the results at that dose. 100mg 2x a day is weak. You wouldn't see results from other quite similar compounds at that dosage either. At 500mg 2x daily 5a laxogenin really shines though. Much in the way that androsterone and epiandro do at that dosage, except I think better tbh. 6keto OhP also, high dosage.

    Hopefully the market shifts to support this idea soon.
    I do agree with you there, but the high dose is only needed if the bioavailability/absorption of the compound is not improved.
    Lets say you could use Liposonal delivery. Believe me, you could use only 50mg of the compound and even then, you would get more of it than using 1000mg without bioavailability/absoprtion support.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Danes View Post
    I do agree with you there, but the high dose is only needed if the bioavailability/absorption of the compound is not improved.
    Lets say you could use Liposonal delivery. Believe me, you could use only 50mg of the compound and even then, you would get more of it than using 1000mg without bioavailability/absoprtion support.
    or you could use iconogenin [transdermal]
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    or you could use iconogenin [transdermal]
    TD has its issues too. Take androgel/testgel as an example. (Even a medicine).
    Liposomal is superior. Liposomes protect the compound from liver enzymes ++.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Danes View Post
    TD has its issues too. Take androgel/testgel as an example. (Even a medicine).
    Liposomal is superior. Liposomes protect the compound from liver enzymes ++.
    for it to be prescription androgel has a horrible delivery, when I used it I applied dmso before applying. I forget what the absorption rate is but it is pretty low.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    for it to be prescription androgel has a horrible delivery, when I used it I applied dmso before applying. I forget what the absorption rate is but it is pretty low.
    It is.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Danes View Post
    It is.
    androgel is priced outrageously high, you would think they would improve on the delivery!!!
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    androgel is priced outrageously high, you would think they would improve on the delivery!!!
    I agree. At this point to change the carrier would require going through the approval process all over again ie. 100,000,000 plus in cost to do so. Now why they did not find a better carrier, to begin with, is beyond me. I believe Androgel is about 10%, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3891651/ , which is lower than some of the OTC products have claimed. Now I am not sure if the pharma companies are limited in what they can legally use as a carrier but 10% is sad when you have a multi-million dollar research budget. There may be more to the story though as both Testim and Androgel claim 10% absorption rates. I do have a theory though.

    There is a limit to how much the skin can absorb per sq in. Patr ick Arno ld has been very clear about this over the years and is the reason he encourages users of his cosmetic products to cover as large of an area as possible. Once the skin is saturated in any one area, there is simply no more going in no matter what the carrier is. I believe the limited application area for the test gels, due to the high concentration and small amount of lotion being used, is playing a role in its limited absorption. For maximum absorption diluted gel spread over a much larger area would be ideal IMO.

  11. Some guy in a gym handing out low doses of Laxogenin. Awesome study

  12. Quote Originally Posted by BCseacow83 View Post
    I believe Androgel is about 10%, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3891651/ , which is lower than some of the OTC products have claimed.
    OTC products can claim whatever the hell numbers they want, largely because they have no in vivo studies specific to them saying otherwise. The pharma companies obviously have pretty good in vivo PK studies limiting their claims.

    Brahs go on about "DMSO!! DMSO!!" but that stuff is arguably high-risk for general public use. And by that I mean, what the average bro is peppered to tolerate in regards to DMSO-sides, can differ dramatically to what most TRT patients will tolerate.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by BCseacow83 View Post
    I agree. At this point to change the carrier would require going through the approval process all over again ie. 100,000,000 plus in cost to do so. Now why they did not find a better carrier, to begin with, is beyond me. I believe Androgel is about 10%, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3891651/ , which is lower than some of the OTC products have claimed. Now I am not sure if the pharma companies are limited in what they can legally use as a carrier but 10% is sad when you have a multi-million dollar research budget. There may be more to the story though as both Testim and Androgel claim 10% absorption rates. I do have a theory though.

    There is a limit to how much the skin can absorb per sq in. Patr ick Arno ld has been very clear about this over the years and is the reason he encourages users of his cosmetic products to cover as large of an area as possible. Once the skin is saturated in any one area, there is simply no more going in no matter what the carrier is. I believe the limited application area for the test gels, due to the high concentration and small amount of lotion being used, is playing a role in its limited absorption. For maximum absorption diluted gel spread over a much larger area would be ideal IMO.
    look at listed ingredients of the carrier...it is piss poor-they could have done much better, imo.

    I would take iron legion's salvo carrier over androgel's carrier every time.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    look at listed ingredients of the carrier...it is piss poor-they could have done much better, imo.

    I would take iron legion's salvo carrier over androgel's carrier every time.
    I was not defending the carrier as I agree with you. They could and should do better. I was trying to give some idea as to why they don't at this point. Salvo is ok but I personally prefer something I can spread over a larger area. Thinner carriers that apply to large suface areas are my preferred.

  15. Just started iconogenin again 2 weeks ago...and the leaning effects are profound and consistant with each time i run it.

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