Primeval Labs - Primabol, is it worth it?

[00A]

I have never tried Phosphatidic Acid before, saw this came out recently, very expensive.
Is it worth it? anyone have any experience with PA, not the cheap fakes etc.

 

[jtmass]

I have tried EPIQ PA for 8 weeks. bit of strength gain (could be placebo since I was bulking) and muscle fullness. I may be a non responder as well. But, at that cost, definitely NO

 

[jameschoi]

fearns soy leth is like 9 bucks for 16 oz

 

[00A]

fearns soy leth is like 9 bucks for 16 oz

Huh? may not be the same thing or same results

 

[soxbsbll05]

Not worth it at that price. Holdout for Build by Outbreak Nutrition which has PA as well as laxo and Ursolic acid

 

[00A]

Not worth it at that price. Holdout for Build by Outbreak Nutrition which has PA as well as laxo and Ursolic acid

Thanks wasn't sure that the label been released yet, https://blog.muscle-zone.com/new-products-from-outbreak-nutrition-build-for-body-recomposition
Looks very interesting.

 

[soxbsbll05]

Thanks wasn't sure that the label been released yet, https://blog.muscle-zone.com/new-products-from-outbreak-nutrition-build-for-body-recomposition
Looks very interesting.

Should be out this week according to what they told me

 

[DaeshDontSurf]

fearns lists the phosphtidic acid content, so as long as you eat enough to match the study levels - it's the same thing. and as long as you account for the energy and macros - its actual food, a good source of choline, and the fat is of the "healthy" type. seems a no brainer - a couple tabelspoons in a bag can be taken anywhere. if it does anything is still up in the air - there are 4(?) studies on it - 3 sponsored and one not. the sponsored ones (cheminutra) all found benefit, the unsponsored one found no benefit. if you want to condense your reading, read the one sponsored one that included darren willoughby, and the one unsponsored one. the willoughby study (he wasn't the lead, so read all the names) was really fair with a lot of caveats to consider. i'd look at how much phosphatidic acid you want to take, and figure out how much 1 month of dosing fearns would cost - then compare to the concentrated bottled supps and make a decision.

 

[00A]

Should be out this week according to what they told me

Thanks but which one will be better, you seen this
https://www.stack3d.com/2018/07/genius-muscle-builder.html

 

[soxbsbll05]

Thanks but which one will be better, you seen this
https://www.stack3d.com/2018/07/genius-muscle-builder.html

That's a cool looking supplement but I am not a fan of HMB. In my personal opinion, I would still choose Build over that but to each their own!

 

[musclemaker]

Not worth it at that price. Holdout for Build by Outbreak Nutrition which has PA as well as laxo and Ursolic acid

Formula wise, Major Gains trumps all of these, it has PA, Ursolic, Laxo, Hica, and Rhaponticum.

I just started running it yesterday.

https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/major-gains-by-assault-labs

 

[soxbsbll05]

Formula wise, Major Gains trumps all of these, it has PA, Ursolic, Laxo, Hica, and Rhaponticum.

I just started running it yesterday.

https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/major-gains-by-assault-labs

It has the Mediator PA in it now? I ran two bottles of this already at 8 caps/day without the Mediator PA and did not notice much...

 

[musclemaker]

It has the Mediator PA in it now? I ran two bottles of this already at 8 caps/day without the Mediator PA and did not notice much...

It's always had Mediator PA but they doubled the dosage dosage, they told me that there was miscommunication between the company that makes mediator, them, and the manufacturer which screwed up the dosing.

I think what it is, is that mediator is 50% PA, which means 750 mg of PA. I think due to the miscommunication they originally only put 750 mediator, now its fixed.

We have carried assault labs for like 6 years and they never underdose their products, so the story makes sense.

 

[InItForGainz]

Not worth it at that price. Holdout for Build by Outbreak Nutrition which has PA as well as laxo and Ursolic acid

Any idea of if/when Build will hit the UK and the dose of Mediator PA?

 

[soxbsbll05]

Any idea of if/when Build will hit the UK and the dose of Mediator PA?

Not sure about that one! The dosage is the standard 1500mg of mediator which produces 50% PA (750mgs)

 

[ELROCK]

It's always had Mediator PA but they doubled the dosage dosage, they told me that there was miscommunication between the company that makes mediator, them, and the manufacturer which screwed up the dosing.

I think what it is, is that mediator is 50% PA, which means 750 mg of PA. I think due to the miscommunication they originally only put 750 mediator, now its fixed.

We have carried assault labs for like 6 years and they never underdose their products, so the story makes sense.

So are you saying they doubled the actual DOSE or just corrected the amount showed on the LABEL?

 

[soxbsbll05]

So are you saying they doubled the actual DOSE or just corrected the amount showed on the LABEL?

Sounds like it was originally underdosed but it’s fine now?

 

[ironkill]

It's always had Mediator PA but they doubled the dosage dosage, they told me that there was miscommunication between the company that makes mediator, them, and the manufacturer which screwed up the dosing.

I think what it is, is that mediator is 50% PA, which means 750 mg of PA. I think due to the miscommunication they originally only put 750 mediator, now its fixed.

We have carried assault labs for like 6 years and they never underdose their products, so the story makes sense.

Shouldn't this be an issue for those of us that bought it underdosed the first time around? A little disconcerting

 

[musclemaker]

So are you saying they doubled the actual DOSE or just corrected the amount showed on the LABEL?

Doubled dose and adjusted label. Label never misrepresented what was in the product.

 

[ELROCK]

Doubled dose and adjusted label. Label never misrepresented what was in the product.

Thanks for clearing that up. Doubling the PA content is a good improvement.

 

[musclemaker]

Thanks for clearing that up. Doubling the PA content is a good improvement.

Yea, I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out, on day 3 so obviously not much to report.

 

[ironkill]

Def feel ripped off. Will avoid this brand moving forward

 

[00A]

Def feel ripped off. Will avoid this brand moving forward

Same here, was one the first to buy, still not opened. Company not well known to me, would not trust the ingredients are all there, did not see any results from first batch of people who reviewed it..

 

[musclemaker]

Same here, was one the first to buy, still not opened. Company not well known to me, would not trust the ingredients are all there, did not see any results from first batch of people who reviewed it..

Just providing the updates bud, I don't make the product but we have sold their stuff for ages.

 

[banjobounce]

I actually think that SL works because of the other constituants in it. Dr. Darren Willoughby talks about PA showing promise in rats but probably being bunk in humans on an older Ben Pakulski podcast.

 

[Rockzilla]

Not worth it at that price. Holdout for Build by Outbreak Nutrition which has PA as well as laxo and Ursolic acid

Just looked at this. 20 servings 150mg UA, 80mg Uro B, 75mg laxo per serving The product seems underdosed.

 

[BlockBuilder]

Just out of curiosity has anyone tried taking soy lecithin granules WITH mediator PA caps? I ask because soy lecithin granules are so cheap and with PA I believe it’s ok to take higher doses

 

[00A]

All outbreaks **** is underdosed! Trust me on this! They look fancy but underdosed not just this product

 

[soxbsbll05]

Just looked at this. 20 servings 150mg UA, 80mg Uro B, 75mg laxo per serving The product seems underdosed.

Yeah I did not see that serving size at first. Definitely overpriced.

 

[Rockzilla]

All outbreaks **** is underdosed! Trust me on this! They look fancy but underdosed not just this product

I didn’t realize 300mg vaso6 was the standard until I looked at more products with vaso6 after buying serum.

 

[Rad83]

Not worth it at that price. Holdout for Build by Outbreak Nutrition which has PA as well as laxo and Ursolic acid

Looking at build on amazo n right now, its 60 bucks for only 20 servings (not even a full month obviously) so what’s up with that?!

 

[00A]

Anyone used primabol on the the forums - I cant seem to find a review?

 

[DEVANS89]

PA was great in the OG cutler king supp

I had good results from it, nothing spectacular but still noticeable

PA kinda seems to have taken a back seat to laxo and epi in recent times

 

[Jeremyk1]

Anyone used primabol on the the forums - I cant seem to find a review?

Personally, I wouldn’t invest in phosphatidic acid supplements. First of all, the stuff is expensive as hell. But I don’t think it’ll provide much in the way of results. There is research showing an increase in mTOR signaling, however I do recall reading that co-ingestion with a dose of protein actually decreased the total mTOR signal. If you take protein or amino supplements, I doubt PA will really give any benefit.