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  1. Anethetized still beats these hands down. You can take a quarter of a scoop and still get 500mg phenibut just under a gram of gabba plus all the other stuff and if you take it every other day to help stave off reliance one tub is gonna last you 8 months lol. Add melatonin from the other source I sent you. 5mg per pill at 100 pills you would need about two bottles to cover the 8 months and that's almost using it every day so your about £95 every 8 months.


  2. My nightly cocktail:

    SNS ZMA
    KSM
    SNS LOLA (very underrated, has actual human data for helping sleep in shift workers)

    Definitely improves the sleep quality that I get, and the dreams are freaking insane lol
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    X-gels for strength, Focus XT for mental performance & Joint Support XT for pain free mobility
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    My nightly cocktail:

    SNS ZMA
    KSM
    SNS LOLA (very underrated, has actual human data for helping sleep in shift workers)

    Definitely improves the sleep quality that I get, and the dreams are freaking insane lol
    What is lola?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by jrock645 View Post
    What is lola?
    L ornitine L aspartate
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    X-gels for strength, Focus XT for mental performance & Joint Support XT for pain free mobility

  5. Ashwagandha is the baby. Lovely solid sleep, good dreams, no grogginess. GABA is lovely stuff too. (Powder off eBay not Holland and Barrett crap)
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by paul56778 View Post
    Most herbal based supps do not work for me, i have tried one from Warrior known as Dream which is supposed to be quite an effective sleep aid but just provides me with a calm mood, i also used phenibut in the past with good effects at 2 grams 2 hours pre bed, also DNA anabolics Max Zzz which has the ingredient included in Kirkland Sleep Aid known as Doxylamine Succinate which always works well for me at a dose of 1 tab or 25mgs pre bed, i have tried taking 50-75 mgs but more does not provide better sleep and works in the opposite way making me more alert and keeping me up all night. Overall of the many sleep aids i have tried herbal and pharmaceutical based Doxylamine Succinate has been the best and i find i never build a tolerance to it allowing 1 tablet to always work well.
    I think I read somewhere that Doxylamine and such is not actually good for REM sleep, I could be wrong (I hope I am because I like it), anyone that knows more might be able to explain it better, otherwise thatís the way to go because it works.

  7. I use refuge by outbreak nutrition at half a dose (500mg phenibut) Itís good stuff, the full actually didnít make me sleepy, maybe it would now? Itís also a ZMA supplement with other stuff.
    I also have a supplement called valerian nerve that is valerian and wild lettuce leaf. I havenít taken it in awhile as refuge is good. When taken together I did not like these 2 supplements.

  8. Try going camping for 2-3 days and reset your circadian rhythm. Grounding is also something you can research. Hit4me got you covered sup wise tho

  9. Benadryl is amazing when you really need to sleep!
    Just ordered 5 bottles Olympus Labs Ashwagandha hope its working good for my sleep

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Richyp1980 View Post
    Ashwagandha is the baby. Lovely solid sleep, good dreams, no grogginess. GABA is lovely stuff too. (Powder off eBay not Holland and Barrett crap)
    Quote Originally Posted by Piledahlaren View Post
    Benadryl is amazing when you really need to sleep!
    Just ordered 5 bottles Olympus Labs Ashwagandha hope its working good for my sleep
    Ashwagandha (KSM-66) hasn't done much for me sleep wise.
    I have order a tub of BSL's Anesthetized, as recommended by @Wobmarvel and backed by ingredients suggested by others. I'll update in a week to let you know how it works out

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Slims View Post
    Ashwagandha (KSM-66) hasn't done much for me sleep wise.
    I have order a tub of BSL's Anesthetized, as recommended by @Wobmarvel and backed by ingredients suggested by others. I'll update in a week to let you know how it works out
    I think you will like it. Just be wise when using it as you will get addicted. It's nothing to be scared off however I've double scooped it before (which is mental) but I like doing all kinds of weird experiments with my sups. On weeks I have really bad trouble sleeping ill go 1 scoop first night, half scoop second night then one or two nights off then repeat. I find this works better than one night on one night off. If I'm not too bad ill use it only maybe one or two nights per week if I feel extra tired after work. Make sure you give yourself enough time too. Dont go out clubbing or stay up till 2 in the morning and neck a scoop if you have to be up for work at 7 am. You will be a member of the walking dead. I have young kids so I'm up at 6:30 every day and I won't take any after 10pm the night before unless I have a day off and can afford to be a bit groggy. It also doesn't work well at countering high stim preworkouts if you work out late at night. I feel it's wasted as it has minimal effect your better just to suck that night up without it and take some the following night and give yourself at least an 8 hour window for sleep.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Wobmarvel View Post
    I think you will like it. Just be wise when using it as you will get addicted. It's nothing to be scared off however I've double scooped it before (which is mental) but I like doing all kinds of weird experiments with my sups. On weeks I have really bad trouble sleeping ill go 1 scoop first night, half scoop second night then one or two nights off then repeat. I find this works better than one night on one night off. If I'm not too bad ill use it only maybe one or two nights per week if I feel extra tired after work. Make sure you give yourself enough time too. Dont go out clubbing or stay up till 2 in the morning and neck a scoop if you have to be up for work at 7 am. You will be a member of the walking dead. I have young kids so I'm up at 6:30 every day and I won't take any after 10pm the night before unless I have a day off and can afford to be a bit groggy. It also doesn't work well at countering high stim preworkouts if you work out late at night. I feel it's wasted as it has minimal effect your better just to suck that night up without it and take some the following night and give yourself at least an 8 hour window for sleep.
    I hopefully won't have to use it every night. I'm going to start off with 1/2 scoops too. I don't go out clubbing or take stimmed pre-workouts anyway, so should be fine there. So are you advising taking it and going to bed earlier, giving me at least 8 hours?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Slims View Post
    I hopefully won't have to use it every night. I'm going to start off with 1/2 scoops too. I don't go out clubbing or take stimmed pre-workouts anyway, so should be fine there. So are you advising taking it and going to bed earlier, giving me at least 8 hours?
    The first time you try it I would go one scoop and give yourself 8 hours and take it from there. If your normally going to bed past midnight and up before 7 then trying to force yourself to go to bed every night at 10pm is gonna do your head in but may be worth doing that once or twice per week just to get a decent rest time in. The product won't knock you out suddenly. Your not gonna take it then black out whilst your taking a piss. I would normally take it around 15 minutes before I head up to bed then maybe watch some YouTube on my phone (like I'm doing now) and you will feel it kicking in, your face will kind of tingle and my legs start feeling weird (my wife doesn't get the leg thing... She also only ever uses half scoops). You may remain awake for up to an hour but the point is your ready for sleep. Don't just lay in a dark room waiting for it to happen. You will doze off and when you do the supplement will put you into proper deep sleep quicker.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Wobmarvel View Post
    The first time you try it I would go one scoop and give yourself 8 hours and take it from there. If your normally going to bed past midnight and up before 7 then trying to force yourself to go to bed every night at 10pm is gonna do your head in but may be worth doing that once or twice per week just to get a decent rest time in. The product won't knock you out suddenly. Your not gonna take it then black out whilst your taking a piss. I would normally take it around 15 minutes before I head up to bed then maybe watch some YouTube on my phone (like I'm doing now) and you will feel it kicking in, your face will kind of tingle and my legs start feeling weird (my wife doesn't get the leg thing... She also only ever uses half scoops). You may remain awake for up to an hour but the point is your ready for sleep. Don't just lay in a dark room waiting for it to happen. You will doze off and when you do the supplement will put you into proper deep sleep quicker.
    I usually get to bed around half 12, and need to be up for 7.
    Puts you to sleep and keeps you asleep, sounds like exactly what I'm looking for!
    Regarding the grogginess though, I'm on the motorway within 40 minutes from waking up. Am I going to be safe to drive?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Slims View Post
    I usually get to bed around half 12, and need to be up for 7.
    Puts you to sleep and keeps you asleep, sounds like exactly what I'm looking for!
    Regarding the grogginess though, I'm on the motorway within 40 minutes from waking up. Am I going to be safe to drive?
    I would say yes but may be worth trying it first before a day off. The feeling you get when you wake up is more of a spaced out feeling than still feeling half asleep. If you drive every single day then half scoop may be the way to go initially. Take it before midnight but still stay up until half twelve if you like. It will still do its job when you do sleep.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Wobmarvel View Post
    I would say yes but may be worth trying it first before a day off. The feeling you get when you wake up is more of a spaced out feeling than still feeling half asleep. If you drive every single day then half scoop may be the way to go initially. Take it before midnight but still stay up until half twelve if you like. It will still do its job when you do sleep.
    I'll take it whilst I finish tidying up before I get in the shower. It can start knocking me out as I shower and by the time I get my head down I can go straight to sleep.
    What's the flavour like, is it easy to drink or more of a gulp it down type of thing?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Slims View Post
    I'll take it whilst I finish tidying up before I get in the shower. It can start knocking me out as I shower and by the time I get my head down I can go straight to sleep.
    What's the flavour like, is it easy to drink or more of a gulp it down type of thing?
    It's good as long as you like pineapple. Can be a bit strong and tastes milder with more water but to reduce the chance of needing a piss in the night I use about 200ml of water and just down it. I like the taste.

    It won't stop you getting up for a piss btw it's not like your so knocked out you'll wet the bed. I find though that I have to sit down to piss if I do get up in the night though cos I pretty much keep my eyes shut lol.

  18. Magnesium is good. ZMK by Millennium Sports has a good night time formula you can take MVP-365 and ZMK in the evening before bed with your last meal.

    Gaba is good as well
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  19. I would recommend getting a pair of blue light blocking glasses. If you have cfl or led bulbs, they are throwing off blue light. The television is too (if it has a "warm" color temp setting, change to that). The glasses cover all that - 2-3 hrs before bed, put them on. About $20 on amazon - last forever if you don't sit on them :-)

  20. Two products that have helped me sleep much better lately are LF Sleep Caps and LifeSeasons Pain Bloc-R (not together)...I think it's the L-THP in both that's providing the most benefit. For some reason, magnesium supplements just make my sleep worse, so I avoid those at night.

  21. Lots of people recommending magnesium here. Understandably due to research on magnesium's relaxing effects, but it definitely hasn't/isn't helpimg my situation.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Slims View Post
    Lots of people recommending magnesium here. Understandably due to research on magnesium's relaxing effects, but it definitely hasn't/isn't helpimg my situation.
    its fine to take it early or earlier during the day. I split my MVP365 and ZMK up throughout the day and getting magnesium at different times
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Slims View Post
    Lots of people recommending magnesium here. Understandably due to research on magnesium's relaxing effects, but it definitely hasn't/isn't helpimg my situation.
    Yep, and I've tried every form available. All make sleep worse (with magnesium l-threonate being the worst by far). Melatonin causes the same problem with me....less than 1 mg does nothing and more than that makes sleep worse. It's weird how things can be so different for people.

  24. Doxylamine- Take a 1/2 or 1/3 tab to start or you will be groggy as hell the next day. I take it once or twice a week especially if I need to crash after a few days of bad
    Sleeping. If looking for something for Every night use the herbal route is better. You can also use phenibut when needed. I take 1.5-2g about 3-4 hours before bed and sleep great. Again I only use a sleep
    Aid if really needed so I do t build
    A tolerance
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