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Anybody knows ECA to burn body fat? Does it work?
 

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Doesn’t work at all. The government banned it because they didn’t want us wasting our time with it.

Google guggulsterone... it’s the hot new thing. Works 10x’s better.
 
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Doesn’t work at all. The government banned it because they didn’t want us wasting our time with it.

Google guggulsterone... it’s the hot new thing. Works 10x’s better.
*Sigh*.
muscleupcrohn - can you detect the sarcasm here??
_Zeus - welcome aboard. jrock645 is having fun with you. ECA is highly effective. Gugglesterones - well - maybe not.
 
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*Sigh*.
muscleupcrohn - can you detect the sarcasm here??
_Zeus - welcome aboard. jrock645 is having fun with you. ECA is highly effective. Gugglesterones - well - maybe not.
LISTEN TO THIS GUY!!!!
 
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LISTEN TO THIS GUY!!!!
Wait...I was gonna tell him to listen to YOU. But now that would just be weird...cuz I'd be telling him to listen to me then. I may come off as arrogant...but that's even a bit much for me :)
 

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*Sigh*.
muscleupcrohn - can you detect the sarcasm here??
_Zeus - welcome aboard. jrock645 is having fun with you. ECA is highly effective. Gugglesterones - well - maybe not.
Thank you man! Yeah I didn’t realized of the joke since English is not my native language, so I appreciate you are serious here. Thanks again man!
 
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Geez. Dry group around here.
lol, it was funny as h3ll man. I am just no fun.

Plus, I don't want him getting all the gainz from the sterones.
 

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I got a couple random questions about the ECA stack, but don’t think it warrants a new thread. I found some Bronkaid the other day. Couldn’t tell ya the last time I bought it or ran the ECA stack, so I’m refreshing here...

1. I wanna day I read somewhere that Yohimbine could replace the aspirin in ECA. Is that true or am I remembering what I read incorrectly? If not, is Ephedrine safe to take with alpha-Y?

2. I’m currently taking Shift. Today was my last dose but have another bottle being delivered today. Is it safe to take with Ephedrine due to the Synephrine that Shift contains? I want to say I read it was redundant, and possibly unsafe, but can’t remember and can’t find that article again either.

I got a trip coming up in a month and certainly wouldn’t mind us my this newly found Ephedrine to top off my little weight loss run here, but don’t want to be taking too much at once and have some of the contraindicate one another. Currently doing IF, 16/8 and loving it. Will almost certainly continue after my cut but just adjust macros.
 
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I got a couple random questions about the ECA stack, but don’t think it warrants a new thread. I found some Bronkaid the other day. Couldn’t tell ya the last time I bought it or ran the ECA stack, so I’m refreshing here...

1. I wanna day I read somewhere that Yohimbine could replace the aspirin in ECA. Is that true or am I remembering what I read incorrectly? If not, is Ephedrine safe to take with alpha-Y?

2. I’m currently taking Shift. Today was my last dose but have another bottle being delivered today. Is it safe to take with Ephedrine due to the Synephrine that Shift contains? I want to say I read it was redundant, and possibly unsafe, but can’t remember and can’t find that article again either.

I got a trip coming up in a month and certainly wouldn’t mind us my this newly found Ephedrine to top off my little weight loss run here, but don’t want to be taking too much at once and have some of the contraindicate one another. Currently doing IF, 16/8 and loving it. Will almost certainly continue after my cut but just adjust macros.
You can drop the aspirin from the ECA stack and probably get 80-90% of the benefit so most people don't seem to appreciate the aspirin. I always felt it was unimportant so I just focused on caffeine/ephedrine but some research I've come across has me second guessing this. For instance, aspirin itself seems to he a mild phosphorylytic decouple- which is something that I'd never known and may have an impact.

Yohimbine is often combined with the ECA stack or just ECY without the aspirin. For myself and many others, Yohimbine comes with some uncomfortable sides - I prefer A-Y because the sides are much much less annoying and I would suggest monitoring blood pressure and starting small and building the dose to assess tolerance but it is reasonably "safe" just be careful.

Shift is a very light stim and I would use the same logic as above - start small and build to asses tolerance. You may want to stagger the dosing - take the ECY or ECAY in the morning and then the shift in the afternoon for instance. This may also help avoid sleep issues.
 

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You can drop the aspirin from the ECA stack and probably get 80-90% of the benefit so most people don't seem to appreciate the aspirin. I always felt it was unimportant so I just focused on caffeine/ephedrine but some research I've come across has me second guessing this. For instance, aspirin itself seems to he a mild phosphorylytic decouple- which is something that I'd never known and may have an impact.

Yohimbine is often combined with the ECA stack or just ECY without the aspirin. For myself and many others, Yohimbine comes with some uncomfortable sides - I prefer A-Y because the sides are much much less annoying and I would suggest monitoring blood pressure and starting small and building the dose to assess tolerance but it is reasonably "safe" just be careful.

Shift is a very light stim and I would use the same logic as above - start small and build to asses tolerance. You may want to stagger the dosing - take the ECY or ECAY in the morning and then the shift in the afternoon for instance. This may also help avoid sleep issues.
Thanks! I was thinking the staggering would be a good idea as well. I guess taking a small amount of aspirin with the EC/ECY isn’t a big deal. I was just curious as to whether the Alpha-Y “replaced” it, so didn’t want to take two items that are doing the same thing.

Also, you mention possible BP issues. That’s obvious when running Ephedrine, but seeing as how AY is a vasodilator, but increases heart rate, are you saying I should be careful if BP going too high, or possibly too low?
 
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I wouldn't say the Y replaces the A - but the A can be dropped without much decrease in effect in most people's opinion.

Yohimbine will increase blood pressure in many situations, it has stimulant effects:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7690091

http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/hypertensionaha/5/5/772.full.pdf

But you are right that, it can also decrease your blood pressure in large doses as well. But Yohimbine has a stronger effect on A2 receptors, so it is more likely to cause an increase unless you get a large enough dose to overcome that response with A1 blockade.
 

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I wouldn't say the Y replaces the A - but the A can be dropped without much decrease in effect in most people's opinion.

Yohimbine will increase blood pressure in many situations, it has stimulant

But you are right that, it can also decrease your blood pressure in large doses as well. But Yohimbine has a stronger effect on A2 receptors, so it is more likely to cause an increase unless you get a large enough dose to overcome that response with A1 blockade.
Gotcha. The Alpha-Y I’m taking is only 2mg, standardized to 90%, so one cap is only 1.8mg alpha-Y. I think that’s low enough to be a good starting point to stack with EC to gauge any potential sides. Looking forward to the fasted cardio this week on these.
 
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You can drop the aspirin from the ECA stack and probably get 80-90% of the benefit so most people don't seem to appreciate the aspirin. I always felt it was unimportant so I just focused on caffeine/ephedrine but some research I've come across has me second guessing this. For instance, aspirin itself seems to he a mild phosphorylytic decouple- which is something that I'd never known and may have an impact.

Yohimbine is often combined with the ECA stack or just ECY without the aspirin. For myself and many others, Yohimbine comes with some uncomfortable sides - I prefer A-Y because the sides are much much less annoying and I would suggest monitoring blood pressure and starting small and building the dose to assess tolerance but it is reasonably "safe" just be careful.

Shift is a very light stim and I would use the same logic as above - start small and build to asses tolerance. You may want to stagger the dosing - take the ECY or ECAY in the morning and then the shift in the afternoon for instance. This may also help avoid sleep issues.
I think you are right to second guess not taking aspirin ….I seem to get more effect w/aspirin than without, and I think cooper once said the aspirin prevent sticky platelets or some other term that made taking the 1 baby aspirin a worthwhile thing...I mean c'mon it's 1 baby aspirin!!! I usually take 1 with 1st dose and 1 with last, but that's just me, cooper said 1 a day is sufficient.
 
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I think you are right to second guess not taking aspirin ….I seem to get more effect w/aspirin than without, and I think cooper once said the aspirin prevent sticky platelets or some other term that made taking the 1 baby aspirin a worthwhile thing...I mean c'mon it's 1 baby aspirin!!! I usually take 1 with 1st dose and 1 with last, but that's just me, cooper said 1 a day is sufficient.
Interesting - I've seen a couple things like this that caught my eye. Since I am a learner, not an expert, I may be misinterpreting this and need to dig in more and learn exactly what it all means, but it got my attention:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC316328/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25557764
 
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Interesting - I've seen a couple things like this that caught my eye. Since I am a learner, not an expert, I may be misinterpreting this and need to dig in more and learn exactly what it all means, but it got my attention:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC316328/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25557764
I aint buyin your modesty, lol...you are one smart dude!!!

the bottom link would kinda explain why I feel more stim effect w/aspirin....and the accumulation factor in 1st link would explain why just 1 baby aspirin is sufficient.
 
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I aint buyin your modesty, lol...you are one smart dude!!!

the bottom link would kinda explain why I feel more stim effect w/aspirin....and the accumulation factor in 1st link would explain why just 1 baby aspirin is sufficient.
Well, I still glaze over when reading this stuff...then have to think, "what does this actually mean" and have to research THAT, then come back and keep putting pieces together. I haven't done that with those links yet.

Your observations in the articles are interesting. I hadn't caught those 2 things. Very interesting....
 
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Well, I still glaze over when reading this stuff...then have to think, "what does this actually mean" and have to research THAT, then come back and keep putting pieces together. I haven't done that with those links yet.

Your observations in the articles are interesting. I hadn't caught those 2 things. Very interesting....
your observations might be totally opposite-who knows, study's depend a lot on interpretation, imo.
 
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I've never felt more stim off the addition of baby aspirin but everyone is unique.

On paper it really should be just the EC doing the actual work for fat loss, this is all about the beta receptor activation and the caffeine is just potentiating the ephedrine to better do so.

The stimulant kick is a nice secondary effect. All stimulants will be more potent with the beta receptors "open," Ephedrine and Caffeine are a match made in heaven ;)

^we could extrapolate those studies to say that it's possible, but until we see a clinical study comparing EC to ECA I stick with what I do know for sure, Aspirin was only ever part of the stack for safety.
 
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I've never felt more stim off the addition of baby aspirin but everyone is unique.

On paper it really should be just the EC doing the actual work for fat loss, this is all about the beta receptor activation and the caffeine is just potentiating the ephedrine to better do so.

The stimulant kick is a nice secondary effect. All stimulants will be more potent with the beta receptors "open," Ephedrine and Caffeine are a match made in heaven ;)

^we could extrapolate those studies to say that it's possible, but until we see a clinical study comparing EC to ECA I stick with what I do know for sure, Aspirin was only ever part of the stack for safety.
yeah well, the original purpose of Viagra was to lower blood pressure, lol. whole lotta stuff good for other than original purpose.
 
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Just EC (without the A) has still been shown to be quite effective, so I see nothing wrong with just running EC of course. Multiple studies also show just the EC is quite safe and well-tolerated even when using it daily for months, so I really don't see the A being a necessity by any means.
 
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Just EC (without the A) has still been shown to be quite effective, so I see nothing wrong with just running EC of course. Multiple studies also show just the EC is quite safe and well-tolerated even when using it daily for months, so I really don't see the A being a necessity by any means.
I know quite a few guys who insist seat belts aren't necessary, but I still buckle up!!!



c'mon, man...it's 1 baby aspirin-why not err on the side of safety!!!
 
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Right, really no reason not to.

Had my ECA in at 5:00 AM and was a sweaty mess by 6:30 doing some hypertrophy supersets for the first time in months + rowing machine
 
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I've never felt more stim off the addition of baby aspirin but everyone is unique.

On paper it really should be just the EC doing the actual work for fat loss, this is all about the beta receptor activation and the caffeine is just potentiating the ephedrine to better do so.

The stimulant kick is a nice secondary effect. All stimulants will be more potent with the beta receptors "open," Ephedrine and Caffeine are a match made in heaven ;)

^we could extrapolate those studies to say that it's possible, but until we see a clinical study comparing EC to ECA I stick with what I do know for sure, Aspirin was only ever part of the stack for safety.
Well, that's just it - a head to head comparison would be ideal. All of the actual studies that showed fat loss did use ECA and not EC though, I believe (I could be mistaken in this, it's been a while since I've actually looked...like a decade+)

But the thing I'm getting from those studies is that the aspirin may actually regulate metabolism itself - not just through the beta adrenergic system, but through actual electron transport regulation across cell membranes. This may mean that it would increase metabolism more than EC alone. Or it could mean that I am misinterpreting something. And if I am not misinterpreting it could still be a case of, as you suggest, "looks good on paper, doesn't play out in the real world".

Just EC (without the A) has still been shown to be quite effective, so I see nothing wrong with just running EC of course. Multiple studies also show just the EC is quite safe and well-tolerated even when using it daily for months, so I really don't see the A being a necessity by any means.
Yeah, it seems EC is still quite effective - but most people totally neglect the Aspirin - so it could be a case where we all discount it (I have) and never use it in our mix so we don't realize it could be even better. But how much better? Hard to say. Probably so little that nobody has noticed :)

I know quite a few guys who insist seat belts aren't necessary, but I still buckle up!!!



c'mon, man...it's 1 baby aspirin-why not err on the side of safety!!!
Haha - not sure they're the same thing there :)

But hey, why leave your aspirin gainz on the table!??
 
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Right, really no reason not to.

Had my ECA in at 5:00 AM and was a sweaty mess by 6:30 doing some hypertrophy supersets for the first time in months + rowing machine
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Well, that's just it - a head to head comparison would be ideal. All of the actual studies that showed fat loss did use ECA and not EC though, I believe (I could be mistaken in this, it's been a while since I've actually looked...like a decade+)

But the thing I'm getting from those studies is that the aspirin may actually regulate metabolism itself - not just through the beta adrenergic system, but through actual electron transport regulation across cell membranes. This may mean that it would increase metabolism more than EC alone. Or it could mean that I am misinterpreting something. And if I am not misinterpreting it could still be a case of, as you suggest, "looks good on paper, doesn't play out in the real world".



Yeah, it seems EC is still quite effective - but most people totally neglect the Aspirin - so it could be a case where we all discount it (I have) and never use it in our mix so we don't realize it could be even better. But how much better? Hard to say. Probably so little that nobody has noticed :)



Haha - not sure they're the same thing there :)

But hey, why leave your aspirin gainz on the table!??
I remember those pre-ban formulas all included aspirin.....just sayin
 
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I remember those pre-ban formulas all included aspirin.....just sayin
And plenty of products back then also had CEE and arginine too.
Well, that's just it - a head to head comparison would be ideal. All of the actual studies that showed fat loss did use ECA and not EC though, I believe (I could be mistaken in this, it's been a while since I've actually looked...like a decade+)

But the thing I'm getting from those studies is that the aspirin may actually regulate metabolism itself - not just through the beta adrenergic system, but through actual electron transport regulation across cell membranes. This may mean that it would increase metabolism more than EC alone. Or it could mean that I am misinterpreting something. And if I am not misinterpreting it could still be a case of, as you suggest, "looks good on paper, doesn't play out in the real world".



Yeah, it seems EC is still quite effective - but most people totally neglect the Aspirin - so it could be a case where we all discount it (I have) and never use it in our mix so we don't realize it could be even better. But how much better? Hard to say. Probably so little that nobody has noticed



Haha - not sure they're the same thing there

But hey, why leave your aspirin gainz on the table!??
I’m positive that there are numerous EC studies (without the A) showing increased weight loss.
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c'mon, man...it's 1 baby aspirin-why not err on the side of safety!!!
That’s not really a good analogy my friend. I can show you numerous relatively long-term studies that show EC is very well-tolerated and safe. That’s not to say that you shouldn’t/can’t add the A, but I do not think it’s accurate to say that EC alone isn’t very well tolerated and quite safe when used responsibly.
 
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And plenty of products back then also had CEE and arginine too.

I’m positive that there are numerous EC studies (without the A) showing increased weight loss.

That’s not really a good analogy my friend. I can show you numerous relatively long-term studies that show EC is very well-tolerated and safe. That’s not to say that you shouldn’t/can’t add the A, but I do not think it’s accurate to say that EC alone isn’t very well tolerated and quite safe when used responsibly.
give me one reason NOT to add 1 baby aspirin.....
 
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give me one reason NOT to add 1 baby aspirin.....
That’s not my point. My point is it’s disingenuous and inaccurate to state, suggest, or imply that EC is somehow not well tolerated or that A is somehow necessary to make EC safe and well tolerated.

I’m not saying that you shouldn’t add the A, only that I would not go around making it sound like EC is anything less than very well tolerated even without the A.
 
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That’s not my point. My point is it’s disingenuous and inaccurate to state, suggest, or imply that EC is somehow not well tolerated or that A is somehow necessary to make EC safe and well tolerated.

I’m not saying that you shouldn’t add the A, only that I would not go around making it sound like EC is anything less than very well tolerated even without the A.
ever hear of sticky platelets?
 
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ever hear of sticky platelets?
Really? You're getting snarky with me for stating that the overwhelming consensus among scientific literature and studies is that ephedrine and caffeine is very well tolerated even without Aspirin?

We have numerous studies on EC showing it is very safe and well-tolerated even using it at the full dose daily for several months. Then we also have an analysis of over a quarter million people prescribed EC showing that it was not associated with an increased risk of serious cardiovascular effects, which "was found across a wide range of patient subgroups, different cardiovascular outcomes, different assumptions about exposure, and different utilization patterns."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2565736/

Again, I am in no way saying that you shouldn't add the Aspirin, or that it doesn't make the stack safer and/or more effective, only that it is incorrect to state that EC alone, without the A, is somehow unsafe or not well tolerated. If you can't see this distinction between what I'm saying and what you seem to have been thinking I said, I don't know what to tell you.
 
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Really? You're getting snarky with me for stating that the overwhelming consensus among scientific literature and studies is that ephedrine and caffeine is very well tolerated even without Aspirin?

We have numerous studies on EC showing it is very safe and well-tolerated even using it at the full dose daily for several months. Then we also have an analysis of over a quarter million people prescribed EC showing that it was not associated with an increased risk of serious cardiovascular effects, which "was found across a wide range of patient subgroups, different cardiovascular outcomes, different assumptions about exposure, and different utilization patterns."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2565736/

Again, I am in no way saying that you shouldn't add the Aspirin, or that it doesn't make the stack safer and/or more effective, only that it is incorrect to state that EC alone, without the A, is somehow unsafe or not well tolerated. If you can't see this distinction between what I'm saying and what you seem to have been thinking I said, I don't know what to tell you.
lol...you called me disingenuous...I might not be the most scientific person on here, but I don't just pull stuff out of nowhere.


this conversation has been had before with cooper coming up with sticky platelets as one reason he recommends taking the aspirin.
 
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lol...you called me disingenuous...I might not be the most scientific person on here, but I don't just pull stuff out of nowhere.


this conversation has been had before with cooper coming up with sticky platelets as one reason he recommends taking the aspirin.
If it’s not disingenuous it’s ignorant I suppose. I never accused you of pulling stuff out of nowhere, only of taking things a bit out of context or drawing some conclusions that aren’t supported by the overwhelming consensus in the studies on the subject. Him recommending taking Aspirin with it in no way means that it’s unsafe or not very well-tolerated without it. You using the example of someone driving without a seatbelt as comparable to taking EC without A is really a terrible comparison. It’s asinine to drive without a seatbelt, it’s clearly and objectively much more dangerous. Can you show me that there is a significant and clear risk in using EC without the A? Minimizing a small potential risk by adding A in no way means that EC itself isn’t very well-tolerated and quite safe. Again, I’m not saying that it’s not safer and/or more effective with the Aspirin added, only that it’s incorrect to state that EC isn’t quite safe and well-tolerated without it. Hell, we have more safety data on EC than we do for almost every supplement we take, forget the stimulants we take, and forget the combination of stimulants we take. I don’t know how I can make this any clearer. Making something a bit safer in no way means that the thing isn’t very safe to begin with. Going from a 1 in 1,000,000 risk to a 1 in 2,000,000 risk is making it safer, but in no way means that the 1 in 1,000,000 risk isn’t also very safe.
 
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you know what..im kinda old fashioned and if I am giving advice to someone I am going to err on the side of caution and safety...


if the question is rather or not to take ec with or without the aspirin I will always recommend telling them to take it. rather or not they do is on them, but I feel better knowing I recommended it.
 
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you know what..im kinda old fashioned and if I am giving advice to someone I am going to err on the side of caution and safety...


if the question is rather or not to take ec with or without the aspirin I will always recommend telling them to take it. rather or not they do is on them, but I feel better knowing I recommended it.
Again, that’s not what I’m saying, and I’m not disagreeing that there’s usually no reason not to add the A, only that it isn’t accurate to say that EC isn’t safe and well-tolerated, or that the A is NEEDED to make it so. Using your logic, any car besides the one with the highest safety rating is unsafe. Safer? Sure, perhaps, although technically we don’t even have studies comparing the safety of EC vs ECA. But X being safer than Y does not inherently make Y unsafe by any stretch of the imagination. Huge distinction between what I’m saying and what it seems like you think I’m saying.
 
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Again, that’s not what I’m saying, and I’m not disagreeing that there’s usually no reason not to add the A, only that it isn’t accurate to say that EC isn’t safe and well-tolerated, or that the A is NEEDED to make it so. Using your logic, any car besides the one with the highest safety rating is unsafe. Safer? Sure, perhaps, although technically we don’t even have studies comparing the safety of EC vs ECA. But X being safer than Y does not inherently make Y unsafe by any stretch of the imagination. Huge distinction between what I’m saying and what it seems like you think I’m saying.
dude...that horse was dead 4 posts ago....
 

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