Vector vs FD 2.0 vs Ep1logue vs KngSlayer for recomp

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Opinions for using on a Recomp. Goal would to get a little leaner and hopefully add a small amount of muscle mass at the same time. I know I’m not going to drastically reduce body fat or add a huge amount of mass but I would like some noticeable appearance changes and get my strength and stamina up some. Would probably be running for 2 months then jumping into a cut w/ cardio and endurance training focus for a couple of months after (and plan to use Epicatechin + 2 on/ 2off ECA for that).

I was thinking about something like

May- Vector or kingslayer or FD or Ep1logue + reduce XT and PES Shift

June- same as above but add armistane

July - FD or Ep1logue + boron /DIM + Reduce XT + PES shift + intermittent runs of EC

August- Same and July

Stats - 29 years old, 190lbs, Approx 18% BF, Test level 493 w/ free T just below middle of ref range. Just got back into the gym this year after several years away, have a pretty good knowledge base regarding diet and training though .
 
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If you are going to use ECA I do believe it is 2 weeks on 1 week off repeat.
That said, two Epi products together is just wasting money.

The benefit of FD2 plus Vector is both the Epi: Delivery and absorption package along with the benefits of Ecklonia Cava along with Vector. 1/2/3 punch. No other Epicatechin product delivers what Follidrone 2.0 can, so if you are going with Vector why not have FD2's benefits that can tie right into Vector?

That's a better long term prospect and it would be best to run it for at least 8 weeks, probably 12. There is so much more to Vector than the KME, and that ish is the most potent! It's just one of three MAJOR ingredients that make this the most potent natural anabolic on the market bar none.

Arimistane, DIM... nope. Arimistane is useless, and DIM is ok for estrogen distribution at most. I'd say Boron at 10mg would be great for improving your Free T, and lowering SBHG. Viron by BLR has 20mg and is twice the dose as tested to reduce your SHBG by 25% in studies. Also has Urycoma Longifolia Extract at 250mg. A definite plus for anyone, even someone like myself on TRT.

Your endurance would jump / power output / body recomp for sure!

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Good luck to you!
 
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Cool, the armistane would be for cortisol control, as it’s ineffective as an AI (got it dirt cheap) although I don’t know if I would get any additional benefits from it other than what I would get from reduce XT. I work 80 hour weeks in a stressful job, and often have 24 hour shifts w/o sleeping , then get a day to recover and I go back to days so I definitely think I would get benefits from a cortisol control product
 
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Cool, the armistane would be for cortisol control, as it’s ineffective as an AI (got it dirt cheap) although I don’t know if I would get any additional benefits from it other than what I would get from reduce XT. I work 80 hour weeks in a stressful job, and often have 24 hour shifts w/o sleeping , then get a day to recover and I go back to days so I definitely think I would get benefits from a cortisol control product
Since you have the Arimistane, it couldn't hurt. It's often added to non-stim fat burners for the sense of well being and cortisol control.

If you're going to go with Viron then the *Eurycoma Longifolia Jack in that also will help improve mood and a sense of well being. I may even recommend reducing anything that raises cortisol levels in your diet.

My work is also quite stress positive, and part of coping with it that I use is I get what I project mentality. It's not an easy thing, and you may also already practice it. Using positive words and not stop words in conversations additionally. I'm usually the go-to person when someone is very upset for whatever reason, or un-reasonably. I k laugh sometimes because I think they are trying to kill me... slowly...

On your side my man.
If you need anything, ask, and I'll see about it.

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I've got re1gn and ep1logue shipping tomorrow....I haven't used ep1logue before, pretty excited to try it!!!
 
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If you are going to use ECA I do believe it is 2 weeks on 1 week off repeat.
That said, two Epi products together is just wasting money.

The benefit of FD2 plus Vector is both the Epi: Delivery and absorption package along with the benefits of Ecklonia Cava along with Vector. 1/2/3 punch. No other Epicatechin product delivers what Follidrone 2.0 can, so if you are going with Vector why not have FD2's benefits that can tie right into Vector?
Agreed with this. The FD2.0 and Vector combine is a nice stack that will get you results. One of my fav natty stack available right now.
 
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I dont know of anything natural that stacks up to the FD+ Vector stack.
Vector is a combination of 3 strong anabolic extracts each of which is chock full of active constituents. Each was tested alone and was extremely effective solo. Combined its a serious beast.
There are over 100 reports from users here.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/black-lion-research/299585-vector-pre-release-112.html#post6003644
Ive seen up to 18lbs gain and most see 7-12lbs plus fat loss and performance enhancement.
The most recent report on this thread is a subject who has gained 12lbs in 6 weeks. Not bad ;)
I think for the time being nothing will stack up against Vector.
 
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None of the above...i would grab the M Test, Epi Plex and bulbine combo for 49.99 at NP
that is a hell of a deal....!!!
 
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that is a hell of a deal....!!!
None of the above...i would grab the M Test, Epi Plex and bulbine combo for 49.99 at NP
Those 3 combined will NOT equal the results from vector or follidrone stack. M test and bulbine at best will simply give you increased agression and some slight leaning out.
 

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How does one manage their appetite when going for a recomp stack like this? I’ve tried previous products and found the hunger creeps up. Vector from what I’ve read you’re supposed to eat a ton.
 
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None of the above...i would grab the M Test, Epi Plex and bulbine combo for 49.99 at NP
I’d also undoubtedly go with this option over everything else mentioned
 
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I've got re1gn and ep1logue shipping tomorrow....I haven't used ep1logue before, pretty excited to try it!!!
Keep me updated on the Ep1. Def interested in the urolithin B. Need to desire what I want to stack with Vector durring my PCT. This or Mass Max.

Truly, I hope Triumph is back out(with Urolithin B) and then I can just stack that with Vector and Mass Max.
 

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Keep me updated on the Ep1. Def interested in the urolithin B. Need to desire what I want to stack with Vector durring my PCT. This or Mass Max.

Truly, I hope Triumph is back out(with Urolithin B) and then I can just stack that with Vector and Mass Max.
The Urolithin is pretty interesting to me. I think I’m going to go with 2 months of Vector for my recomp then either Vector for my cut if I’m having awesome results and think I can handle the hunger, or Vector + Ep1 OR FD or Just Ep1 or FD alone.

I’m assuming th Epi in both Epilogue and FD are equivalently dosed. The difference being the Uro and E cava

To the BLR reps: It sounds like Vector does everything FD does better and with extra hunger. Are there any situations that FD excels over Vector in, or is FD just going to become an ancillary to add to a Vector for extra gains?
 
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BLR Vector and FD2 is the best natty stack out! Logs upon logs to show the effectiveness of both products!
 
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I’d also undoubtedly go with this option over everything else mentioned
me too, without a doubt...m-test, epi, and bulbine for $50 is outstanding!!!
 
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Keep me updated on the Ep1. Def interested in the urolithin B. Need to desire what I want to stack with Vector durring my PCT. This or Mass Max.

Truly, I hope Triumph is back out(with Urolithin B) and then I can just stack that with Vector and Mass Max.
going to run ep1logue for 2 months, will probably throw in kingslayer the 2nd month.

ep1ogue with re1gn as preworkout should give some great pumps/muscle fullness!!!
 
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Those 3 combined will NOT equal the results from vector or follidrone stack. M test and bulbine at best will simply give you increased agression and some slight leaning out.
Ha you do realize Folli is the same active as Epi plex? Plus all the full dosages(clinical) of all the ingreds in m test??? SMH
 
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Ha you do realize Folli is the same active as Epi plex? Plus all the full dosages(clinical) of all the ingreds in m test??? SMH
Folli 2.0 is not just epi so your argument is dead there.

2nd, nothing in m test (maybe accept fadogia) will yield the strength increases that vector has. The stack you suggested is of course a better value in terms of $$$ but the results will be inferior to the folli/vector stack.

This coming from someone who has run an epi product with m test together.
 
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Ha you do realize Folli is the same active as Epi plex? Plus all the full dosages(clinical) of all the ingreds in m test??? SMH
Have a look at FD2 label bro.
Way more going on than just Epi.

And it ties in with Vector.
 
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Ha you do realize Folli is the same active as Epi plex? Plus all the full dosages(clinical) of all the ingreds in m test??? SMH
You dont realize what your saying is false.

Epiplex- Epicatechin and bioperine. = epicatechin active.

Follidrone-
Epicatechin= active
Ecklonia cava= active
Flos carthami= active
Quercetin niacin co crystals= active
Plus absorption enhancement ingredients Octyl gallate, citrus bioflavanoids and of course the quercetin increases EPI absorption.

Plus in no way does Mtest even come close to Vector.
All of those combined dont match vector alone. Without question.
 
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You dont realize what your saying is false.

Epiplex- Epicatechin and bioperine. = epicatechin active.

Follidrone-
Epicatechin= active
Ecklonia cava= active
Flos carthami= active
Quercetin niacin co crystals= active
Plus absorption enhancement ingredients Octyl gallate, citrus bioflavanoids and of course the quercetin increases EPI absorption.

Plus in no way does Mtest even come close to Vector.
All of those combined dont match vector alone. Without question.
Correct ..fd 2.0 has an extra $1.5 of ingreds
 

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Vector + FD2 is by far the best combo. If only one, then Vector.
 

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Ha you do realize Folli is the same active as Epi plex? Plus all the full dosages(clinical) of all the ingreds in m test??? SMH
Don't like BLR? Does SNS not let you try BLR? Your missing out bud...lol.
 
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Pretty poor form for a rep to come into a thread about products not related to their brand and first try to promote their products instead of the products discussed in the thread and then when unsuccessful try to derail or muddy the thread with nonsense and lies (Your trademark).
You could act like an adult. Participate when it makes sense and you can add some viable contribution instead of adding bullIsh and trolling.
This forum is a great place. Tons of people come here to seek advice or to discuss topics that interest them. If you have something to contribute awesome. But if not then your just posting to annoy people reading the threads your in? Your purpose is to annoy people?
Its working.
 
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Lets try to get this back on the right path.
Some data about 1 of the 3 ingredients in VECTOR.
ERIOBOTRYA JAPONICA=
ERIOBOTRYA JAPONICA -1000mg/100:1 extract.
Eriobotrya Japonica (EJ) or Loquat is a fruiting plant commonly used for food, added to alcholic beverages and sometimes used for health and longevity. EJ contains a host of interesting chemicals with a number of effects that are beneficial to those looking to build muscle, burn fat or increase athletic performance. Loquat for bodybuilders? On the surface EJ doesnt seem to be super exciting but nothing could be further from the truth. There have been a number of studies indicating that the proper extract at a high enough dose can lead to gains in muscle mass, strength and fat loss. Studies indicate EJ Increases the expression of myogenic genes MyoD, Myogenin and MyHC. This increased expression corresponds with an increase in the activity of Creatine Kinase a myogenic differentiation marker. Finally EJ activates the AKT/mTOR pathway and subsequently promotes muscle protein synthesis and a gain in lean muscle mass. In studies EJ was shown to prevent muscle atrophy and increase muscle hypertrophy so its great if your cutting and want to preserve muscle and its great if you want to bulk.

AKT/Mtor
Akt is known as effector of insulin/IGF-1 signalling and it can induce muscle hypertrophy through a pathway involving rapamycin-sensitive mTOR.
mTOR regulates PGC-1a expression, which is a key regulator of mitochondria biogenesis, and the expression of PGC-1a has been implicated in the control of skeletal muscle mass. The activation of the Akt/mTOR pathway and its downstream targets, p70S6K and PHAS-1/4E-BP1, is requisitely involved in regulating skeletal muscle fiber size. Acute AKT activation also leads to a decrease in adipose tissue (fat loss)

QUOTE"
The pathways that are sufficient to induce hypertrophy in skeletal muscle have been the subject of some controversy. We describe here the use of a novel method to produce a transgenic mouse in which a constitutively active form of Akt can be inducibly expressed in adult skeletal muscle and thereby demonstrate that acute activation of Akt is sufficient to induce rapid and significant skeletal muscle hypertrophy in vivo, accompanied by activation of the downstream Akt/p70S6 kinase protein synthesis pathway. Upon induction of Akt in skeletal muscle, there was also a significant decrease in adipose tissue. These findings suggest that pharmacologic approaches directed toward activating Akt will be useful in inducing skeletal muscle hypertrophy and that an increase in lean muscle mass is sufficient to decrease fat storage."

MyHC
Myosin heavy-chain synthesis rate is correlated with measures of muscle strength, circulating insulin-like growth factor 1 and
dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate in men and women and free testosterone levels in men.

MyoD
both MyoD and myogenin genes are necessary in the regenerative process for the proliferation of satellite cells (myoblasts) and for the development of early regenerating fibers (myotubes). The expression of Myod is sufficient to convert a fibroblast to a skeletal muscle cell,





Lower doses or the incorrect extraction process has been shown to be ineffective so the extraction process is very important with EJ. So lets dig into whats inside the plant itself.
Just a short list of the chemical constituents of EJ-

Epicatechin
Ursolic acid
Chlorogenic acid
Corosolic acid
Oleanolic acid
Caffeic acid
Procyanidin B2
Protocatechuic acid
Ferulic acid
Tormentic acid
Naringenin
Ellagic acid
EGCG
Quercetin

This is a pretty impressive list of actives. Lets take a look at what some of these do.

Epicatechin.
EJ doesnt have as much epicatechin as something like cocoa or green tea but there is still a decent amount. Its estimated that there is about 150mg per 100g in cocoa and there is about 60mg in EJ so a little less than half. None the less there is enough that epicatechin will be active especially with Narinigenin, EGCG and quercetin in the mix as these all increase the absorption of epicatechin. Lets think of epicatechin as sort of a bonus.

Ursolic acid.
There is a decent dose in here at upwards of 150mg estimated per daily dose of our EJ extract but Ursolic acid is also a major constituent of another of Vectors ingredents giving us approx 300mg + of Ursolic acid per dose. Ursolic acid orally has been show in studies to increase muscle mass, Increase strength, Increase brown fat, Increase glucose utilization and increase exercise capacity. Its been stated that UA is not viable orally but I think I disagree and it seems as though studies also indicate that it is orally active although it has a very poor absorption rate. High doses are required and studies indicate 300+ should be enough orally to produce the desired results.

Corosolic acid.
Corosolic acid is a GDA generally extracted from Banaba (lagerstroemia speciosa) but a significant amount is present in Eribotrya J. Corosolic acid works orally at relatively low doses and has some interesting effects. Even doses of 10mg are viable to display its impressive effects. Most people have heard of Corosolic acid for its glucose effects as it is a major GDA. Corosolic acid can help to keep glucose down with multiple mechanisms of action. Glut4 translocation, reduced insulin resistance as well as all kinds of enzymatic suppression and or expression.
-Corosolic acid has been shown to reduce cholesterol levels and enhance lipid metabolism.
-Corosolic acid is also a great fat burner not only through antidiabetic effects but also by retarding absorption of fatty acids.
-Corosolic acid is a potent and selective inhibitor of the enzyme (11-beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1) that converts inactive cortisone to active cortisol. Therefore, corosolic acid may prevent excessive cortisol production.
Overall Corosolic acid is one of Vectors great components. Increased Glucose uptake into muscles, decreased blood sugar, increased insulin sensitivity, increased fat utilization and decreased fat diposition plus decreased cortisol make Corosolic a powerhouse.

Oleanolic acid
Oleanolic acid (OA) is a constituent of Olea Europea, Viscum Album and Eriobotrya japonica as well as others.
Its long been used in Chinese medicine for treatment of liver disorders and other ailments. OA increases glucose utilization, is a solid vasodilator and increases expression of the AKT pathway.

Protocatechuic acid
Insulin like activity by activating PPAPy.
Decreases ROS
Antiageing
Anti inflammatory
Antiseptic
analgesic
GLUT4 upregulation
Antioxidant
Protects the testes from damage and stress
Cardio protective

Caffeic acid
Increased exercise capacity
Reduced Blood Lactate
Increased fat loss
Endurance

Ferulic acid, 4-hydroxy-3-methoxycinnamic acid, is one of the most ubiquitous phenolic acids, found in the
bran of grasses such as wheat, rice, and oats. It belongs to the family of plant hydroxycinnamic acids, which
include caffeic acid, sinapic acid, and p-coumaric acid. Recent studies have provided evidence that ferulic acid reduces the risk of disease, including
Alzheimer’s disease, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and colon cancer. Currently, ferulic acid is used to enhance athletic
performance, both in humans and racehorses. Supplementation by it has been found to increase muscle strength in weight lifters.

In one animal study a single acute administration of Ferulic acid increased swimming time by 170%.
Ferulic acid prevented the decrease in catalase, superoxide dismutase and protected against the depletion of GST activity induced by exhaustive
exercise.
Exercise can be associated with oxidative stress. Thus exercise can act as a powerful source of Reactive Oxygen Species, depending on duration and intensity. During exhaustive exercise, fat is typically used as the primary energy source, thus sparing glycogen stores, which in turn retards fatigue. However, during strenuous exercise substantial production of ROS occurs via beta oxidation during the utilization of fat.
In addition, a dramatic increase in oxygen consumption in the body creates an imbalance between ROS and the antioxidant defense system resulting in fatigue.
Acute adminstration of Ferulic acid prevents fatigue, increases endurance and protects the body during exhaustive exercise.

Chlorogenic acid
CA often reffered to as green coffee extract is widely known for its antiobesity effects via PPARa agonism and by preventing proliferation of new fat cells. CA can increase muscular glucose uptake both by stimulating Non insulin dependent AMPK as well as stimulating pAKt. Great for keeping bodyfat off while promoting muscle growth.

Tormentic acid
Anti diabetic
Glut4
AMPK





REFS:
1.Loquat leaf extract enhances myogenic differentiation, improves muscle function and attenuates muscle loss in aged rats.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26178971/
2.Loquat (Eriobotrya japonica) extract prevents dexamethasone-induced muscle atrophy by inhibiting the muscle degradation pathway in Sprague Dawley rats.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26004741/?i=2&from=/26178971/related
3.Effect of Loquat Leaf Extract on Muscle Strength, Muscle Mass, and Muscle Function in Healthy Adults: A Randomized, Double-Blinded, and Placebo-Controlled Trial
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2016/4301621/
4.Ethanol Extract of Eriobotrya japonica Leaves Enhanced Swimming Capacity in Mice
http://pubs.sciepub.com/jfnr/5/6/8/index.html
5.Cell Suspension Culture of Eriobotrya japonica Regulates the Diabetic and Hyperlipidemic Signs of High-Fat-Fed Mice
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&********web&cd=13&ved=0ahUKEwjF363a_uvXAhVKqVQKHQnWCw0QFghbMAw&url=http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/18/3/2726/pdf&usg=AOvVaw3tsGlnXSZOftlHTKRGxosJ
6.Tormentic Acid, a Major Component of Suspension Cells of Eriobotrya japonica, Suppresses High-Fat Diet-Induced Diabetes and Hyperlipidemia by Glucose Transporter 4 and AMP-Activated Protein Kinase Phosphorylation
7. http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf503334d
8. http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf503334d
9. http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/18/3/2726/htm
10. https://www.spandidos-publications.com/10.3892/ijmm.2015.2286
11. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15485899
12. http://dev.biologists.org/content/132/12/2685
13. https://www.nature.com/articles/srep31142
14. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25564701
15. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?****10.1371/journal.pone.0039332
 
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What's the point of bashing a product in a thread about that product? If it doesn't interest you then move on. There's products that I've used and didn't get much from, so I don't involve myself in the threads about them...
 

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No he just didnt know what in the hell he was talking about
I usually dont post a lot, but you seems like a little angry child. I like BLR, Olympus Labs, SNS and CEL products but these childish wars between company reps makes me so bored.

I thought this was a forum to learn, not for this.

Im going to buy the stack you said but in no way they are better than FD2, in no way. I dont have used Vector yet.
 
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I usually dont post a lot, but you seems like a little angry child. I like BLR, Olympus Labs, SNS and CEL products but these childish wars between company reps makes me so bored.

I thought this was a forum to learn, not for this.

Im going to buy the stack you said but in no way they are better than FD2, in no way. I dont have used Vector yet.
what, no love for iconic formulations?

lol, just kidding!!!

mw1 really is a good guy!!!
 

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Yeah, of course i will buy SA too, great product that i used years ago from PP.

I know he doesnt usually enter this games, thats what i dont understand.

I dont want to be rude, maybe my poor english make it hard to understand what i mean.
 

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Vector + FD2 + Glycøshield for recomp. All bases covered.
 
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Yeah, of course i will buy SA too, great product that i used years ago from PP.

I know he doesnt usually enter this games, thats what i dont understand.

I dont want to be rude, maybe my poor english make it hard to understand what i mean.
all I know is he is genuinely a good guy....appreciate the sustain love!!!

I'm done here, don't want to jack the thread!!!
 

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Yeah, good products but the shipment costs to Spain from your site or TGB are ridiculous (thats the only sites i find the Glycoshield).
We will have oversees retailers shortly
 

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I usually dont post a lot, but you seems like a little angry child. I like BLR, Olympus Labs, SNS and CEL products but these childish wars between company reps makes me so bored.

I thought this was a forum to learn, not for this.

Im going to buy the stack you said but in no way they are better than FD2, in no way. I dont have used Vector yet.
Agreed. This guy is giving me my first reason to no longer buy from CEL, so I guess he accomplished something, 1 customer down.
 
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Vector + FD2 is by far the best combo. If only one, then Vector.
I am on this combo now and have 14+ years of "natural anabolics"/supplements to compare this to, and will be honest in my review of it. I am also using it strictly as a recomp so my hopes are high.
 
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I usually dont post a lot, but you seems like a little angry child. I like BLR, Olympus Labs, SNS and CEL products but these childish wars between company reps makes me so bored.

I thought this was a forum to learn, not for this.

Im going to buy the stack you said but in no way they are better than FD2, in no way. I dont have used Vector yet.
Now I will admit, back in the day the Thermolife vs Designer Supplements/Driven Sports beef was amazing.
 
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I am on this combo now and have 14+ years of "natural anabolics"/supplements to compare this to, and will be honest in my review of it. I am also using it strictly as a recomp so my hopes are high.
Looking forward to your report.
How are things going so far?
 
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K1ngslayer would have you covered for muscle growth, as well as increased nutrient uptake and utilization. Some extremely exciting ingredients in there for boosting myogenesis and growth hormone, as well as ghrelin secretion. As long as you can manage your appetite on recomp, K1ngslayer is going to be one of the top natural supplements for muscle growth out there.

Ep1logue will also assist with hypertrophy and muscle protein synthesis (thanks to UroB) as well as assist with pump, but IMO the biggest benefit of Ep1logue is strength benefits. Nothing natural that I have used comes close as far as strength, at least in lower rep ranges (possibly in higher rep ranges too, but I don't keep that as tightly controlled and monitored so I hesitate to make any statements on high rep strength based on my own experience, whereas I very closely monitor my low-rep strength during different parts of a training cycle).

So I would base it off your priorities this recomp. Muscle growth -> K1ngslayer. Strength -> Ep1logue. I have not used Vector or FD2.0 and cannot comment on their efficacy.

If you have any other questions, I'd be happy to answer.
 
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K1ngslayer would have you covered for muscle growth, as well as increased nutrient uptake and utilization. Some extremely exciting ingredients in there for boosting myogenesis and growth hormone, as well as ghrelin secretion. As long as you can manage your appetite on recomp, K1ngslayer is going to be one of the top natural supplements for muscle growth out there.

Ep1logue will also assist with hypertrophy and muscle protein synthesis (thanks to UroB) as well as assist with pump, but IMO the biggest benefit of Ep1logue is strength benefits. Nothing natural that I have used comes close as far as strength, at least in lower rep ranges (possibly in higher rep ranges too, but I don't keep that as tightly controlled and monitored so I hesitate to make any statements on high rep strength based on my own experience, whereas I very closely monitor my low-rep strength during different parts of a training cycle).

So I would base it off your priorities this recomp. Muscle growth -> K1ngslayer. Strength -> Ep1logue. I have not used Vector or FD2.0 and cannot comment on their efficacy.

If you have any other questions, I'd be happy to answer.
It’s very refreshing to see a rep give a detailed response about their product like this and mention a competitors product without bashing it. We need more of this on AM.
 

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