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Was looking for feedback or advice. I am currently on testosterone treatment and am looking to run an andro cycle. Ive done andro in the past and had great results just unsure if the TRT would effect it. Also if anyone has advice on a possible andro cycle or a better product please let me know.
 
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DMZ gave me much better results than andro. The TRT is going to make it less efficient if anything trt will help. Chaos and Pain sells a great Andro product that’s dosed higher than other companys
 

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If you're already on TRT why not just supplement what you are already getting with the real deal? Not sure I see the benefit of a PH, plus I have always questioned the conversion for those with Test issues. If your body is already challenged in making test, whats to say that it will properly convert?

FWIW, AM also on TRT and have never really felt the benefit of PH's when I have tried them, hence my opinions on same. Would rather blast and then cruise personally.
 
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If you run something like Epistane, M sten or DMZ or something like Dbol or Tbol you will definitely see big results on trt. As mentioned earlier I’d try to up test as well to at least 300mg a week, preferably more.
 
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Was looking for feedback or advice. I am currently on testosterone treatment and am looking to run an andro cycle. Ive done andro in the past and had great results just unsure if the TRT would effect it. Also if anyone has advice on a possible andro cycle or a better product please let me know.
I know a lot of guys are suggesting designer steroids (msten, dmz, etc) here but keep in mind that all of those were banned back in 2014.

With regards to Andro's we have had a lot of guys that are on TRT run andro cycles. With any andro cycle we would always suggest using a test base, usually a 4 andro product like Andro the Giant but since you are on TRT you won't need that.

Assuming you are looking to bulk I would suggest going with a 1-andro product and running it at a min of 300mg a day, possibly a bit higher depending on how much you weigh. If we still had Super Mandro or Sup3r-1 that would be the route to go as they come with that full dose in a bottle but those are not on the market right now.

The best bang for your buck right now would be Super 1-Andro (get 2-3 bottles min): https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/super-1-andro-rx-by-ironmaglabs

If you are looking to cut I would go with either Androvar or R-Andro Shred.

https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/androvar-by-hard-rock-supplements

https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/r-andro-shred-by-hard-rock-supplements

In summary, TRT for the most part only helps you and makes things cheaper for you.
 

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High dose epiandro (900-1200mg) and TRT test might give a slight increase in libido and hardness but you just need to figure out cost/benefit.
 
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TRT is arguably more powerful than the andros on the market...would be quite useless. Take an AAS instead
 
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TRT is arguably more powerful than the andros on the market...would be quite useless. Take an AAS instead
Uhh ya idk about that my dude...

If you are comparing TRT to something like 1-TESTOSTERONE (1-andro) on a miligram per miligram basis, then you will probably see more prominent results from the 1-andro as it has a slightly higher anabolic ratio in comparison to testosterone given in the form of TRT treatment.

The BIO-AVAILABILITY is what is going to make the difference here (liposomal versions of 1-andro absorb and deliver the most efficiently as far as oral compounds are concerned) but when you are comparing it to an oil based compound that is delivered via an intra-muscular injection then yes, your body will likely absorb a much higher percentange of the compound if taken via injection as your liver doesn't even make contact with it at all because the compound itself basically goes directly into your muscle cells and does not need to undergo a "conversion" via your bodily functions to become active; thus kicking in and raising your levels FASTER than most orals forms of testosterone do.

Feel free to compare for yourself though.... Here is a list of the Androgenic to Anabolic Ratios of pretty much all compounds used in bodybuilding

Compound:---------------------------------Androgenic------Anabolic
1-Testosterone------------------------------------100------200
Anabolicum Vister(Quinbolone)(oral Boldenone)--------50------100
Anadrol 50(Oxymetholone)---------------------------45------320
Anadur(Nandrolone Hexyloxyphenylpropionate)---------37-----125
Anatrofin(Stenbolone Acetate)------------------107-144-----267-332
Anavar(Oxandrolone)--------------------------------24------322-630
Andractim(Dihydrotestosteron)-------------------30-260-----60-220
Andriol(Testosterone Undecanoate)-----------------100------100
Androderm(Testosterone)---------------------------100------100
Androgel(Testosterone)-----------------------------100------100
Boldabol(Boldenone Acetate)-------------------------50------100
Cheque Drops(Mibolerone)-------------------------1,800------4,100
Danocrine(Danazol)----------------------------------37------125
Deca-Durabolin(Nandrolone Decanoate)---------------37------125
Deposterona(Testosterone Blend)-------------------100------100
Dianabol(Methandrostenolone)--------------------40-60------90-210
Dimethyltrienolone------------------------------10,000+-----10,000+
Dinandrol(Nandrolone Blend)--------------------------37------125
Durabolin(NPP)--------------------------------------37------125
Dynabol(Nandrolone Cypionate)----------------------37------125
Equipoise(Boldenone Undecylenate)------------------50------100
Esiclene(Formebolone)----------------------------No Data Available
Genabol(Norbolethone)------------------------------17------350
Halotestin(Fluoxymesterone)-----------------------850------1,900
Hydroxytestosterone--------------------------------25------65
Laurabolin(Nandrolone Laurate)----------------------37------125
Madol(Desoxymethyltestosterone)------------------187------1,200
Masteron(Drostanolone Propionate)---------------25-40------62-130
Megagrisevit-Mono(Clostebol Acetate)---------------25------46
MENT(Methylnortestosterone Acetate)--------------650------2,300
Mestanolone-----------------------------------78-254------107
Methandriol(Mythelandrostenediol)----------------30-60------20-60
Methyl-1-Testosterone------------------------100-220------910-1,600
Methyldienolone-------------------------------200-300------1,000
Methylhydroxynandrolone(MHN)---------------------281------1304
Methyltestosterone-----------------------------94-130------115-150
Metribolone(Methyltrienolone)---------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
Miotolan(Furazabol)------------------------------73-94------270-330
Myagen(Bolasterone)-------------------------------300------575
Nilevar(Norethandrolone)-------------------------22-55------100-200
Omnadren(Testosterone Blend)---------------------100------100
Orabolin(Ethylestrenol)--------------------------20-400------200-400
Oral Turinabol------------------------------------None------100+
Oranabol(Oxymesterone)----------------------------50------330
Orgasteron(Normethandrolone)-----------------325-580------110-125
Parabolan(Tren Hexahydrobenzycarbonate)----------500------500
Primobolan(Methenolone Acetate)-----------------44-57------88
Primobolan Depot(Methenolone Enanthate)--------44-57------88
Prostanozol----------------------------------------n/a------n/a
Protabol(Thiomesterone)----------------------------61------456
Proviron(Mesterolone)---------------------------30-40------100-150
Sanabolicum(Nandrolone Cyclohexylpropionate)------37------125
Steranabol Ritardo(Oxabolone Cypionate)---------20-60------50-90
Superdrol(Methyldrostanolone)---------------------400------20
Sustanon 100 & 250-------------------------------100------100
Synovex(Testosterone Propionate & Estradiol)-------100------100
Test 400------------------------------------------100------100
Test Enanthate/Cypionate/Propionate/Susp & Blends-100------100
THG(Tetrahydrogestrinone)-----------------------No Data Available
Tren Acetate/Enanthate & Blends-------------------500------500
Winstrol(Stanozolol)---------------------------------30------320
 
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High dose epiandro (900-1200mg) and TRT test might give a slight increase in libido and hardness but you just need to figure out cost/benefit.
epiandro also keeps estrogen in check....I love running it on my trt, especially when I get some bloat-better libido and muscle hardness than running a AI.
 

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Uhh ya idk about that my dude...

If you are comparing TRT to something like 1-TESTOSTERONE (1-andro) on a miligram per miligram basis, then you will probably see more prominent results from the 1-andro as it has a slightly higher anabolic ratio in comparison to testosterone given in the form of TRT treatment.

The BIO-AVAILABILITY is what is going to make the difference here (liposomal versions of 1-andro absorb and deliver the most efficiently as far as oral compounds are concerned) but when you are comparing it to an oil based compound that is delivered via an intra-muscular injection then yes, your body will likely absorb a much higher percentange of the compound if taken via injection as your liver doesn't even make contact with it at all because the compound itself basically goes directly into your muscle cells and does not need to undergo a "conversion" via your bodily functions to become active; thus kicking in and raising your levels FASTER than most orals forms of testosterone do.

Feel free to compare for yourself though.... Here is a list of the Androgenic to Anabolic Ratios of pretty much all compounds used in bodybuilding

Compound:---------------------------------Androgenic------Anabolic
1-Testosterone------------------------------------100------200
Anabolicum Vister(Quinbolone)(oral Boldenone)--------50------100
Anadrol 50(Oxymetholone)---------------------------45------320
Anadur(Nandrolone Hexyloxyphenylpropionate)---------37-----125
Anatrofin(Stenbolone Acetate)------------------107-144-----267-332
Anavar(Oxandrolone)--------------------------------24------322-630
Andractim(Dihydrotestosteron)-------------------30-260-----60-220
Andriol(Testosterone Undecanoate)-----------------100------100
Androderm(Testosterone)---------------------------100------100
Androgel(Testosterone)-----------------------------100------100
Boldabol(Boldenone Acetate)-------------------------50------100
Cheque Drops(Mibolerone)-------------------------1,800------4,100
Danocrine(Danazol)----------------------------------37------125
Deca-Durabolin(Nandrolone Decanoate)---------------37------125
Deposterona(Testosterone Blend)-------------------100------100
Dianabol(Methandrostenolone)--------------------40-60------90-210
Dimethyltrienolone------------------------------10,000+-----10,000+
Dinandrol(Nandrolone Blend)--------------------------37------125
Durabolin(NPP)--------------------------------------37------125
Dynabol(Nandrolone Cypionate)----------------------37------125
Equipoise(Boldenone Undecylenate)------------------50------100
Esiclene(Formebolone)----------------------------No Data Available
Genabol(Norbolethone)------------------------------17------350
Halotestin(Fluoxymesterone)-----------------------850------1,900
Hydroxytestosterone--------------------------------25------65
Laurabolin(Nandrolone Laurate)----------------------37------125
Madol(Desoxymethyltestosterone)------------------187------1,200
Masteron(Drostanolone Propionate)---------------25-40------62-130
Megagrisevit-Mono(Clostebol Acetate)---------------25------46
MENT(Methylnortestosterone Acetate)--------------650------2,300
Mestanolone-----------------------------------78-254------107
Methandriol(Mythelandrostenediol)----------------30-60------20-60
Methyl-1-Testosterone------------------------100-220------910-1,600
Methyldienolone-------------------------------200-300------1,000
Methylhydroxynandrolone(MHN)---------------------281------1304
Methyltestosterone-----------------------------94-130------115-150
Metribolone(Methyltrienolone)---------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
Miotolan(Furazabol)------------------------------73-94------270-330
Myagen(Bolasterone)-------------------------------300------575
Nilevar(Norethandrolone)-------------------------22-55------100-200
Omnadren(Testosterone Blend)---------------------100------100
Orabolin(Ethylestrenol)--------------------------20-400------200-400
Oral Turinabol------------------------------------None------100+
Oranabol(Oxymesterone)----------------------------50------330
Orgasteron(Normethandrolone)-----------------325-580------110-125
Parabolan(Tren Hexahydrobenzycarbonate)----------500------500
Primobolan(Methenolone Acetate)-----------------44-57------88
Primobolan Depot(Methenolone Enanthate)--------44-57------88
Prostanozol----------------------------------------n/a------n/a
Protabol(Thiomesterone)----------------------------61------456
Proviron(Mesterolone)---------------------------30-40------100-150
Sanabolicum(Nandrolone Cyclohexylpropionate)------37------125
Steranabol Ritardo(Oxabolone Cypionate)---------20-60------50-90
Superdrol(Methyldrostanolone)---------------------400------20
Sustanon 100 & 250-------------------------------100------100
Synovex(Testosterone Propionate & Estradiol)-------100------100
Test 400------------------------------------------100------100
Test Enanthate/Cypionate/Propionate/Susp & Blends-100------100
THG(Tetrahydrogestrinone)-----------------------No Data Available
Tren Acetate/Enanthate & Blends-------------------500------500
Winstrol(Stanozolol)---------------------------------30------320
So implication here is 1-testosterone is more anabolic than test, bioavailability is the concern but liposomal should help that, right?
 
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Uhh ya idk about that my dude...

If you are comparing TRT to something like 1-TESTOSTERONE (1-andro) on a miligram per miligram basis, then you will probably see more prominent results from the 1-andro as it has a slightly higher anabolic ratio in comparison to testosterone given in the form of TRT treatment.

The BIO-AVAILABILITY is what is going to make the difference here (liposomal versions of 1-andro absorb and deliver the most efficiently as far as oral compounds are concerned) but when you are comparing it to an oil based compound that is delivered via an intra-muscular injection then yes, your body will likely absorb a much higher percentange of the compound if taken via injection as your liver doesn't even make contact with it at all because the compound itself basically goes directly into your muscle cells and does not need to undergo a "conversion" via your bodily functions to become active; thus kicking in and raising your levels FASTER than most orals forms of testosterone do.

Feel free to compare for yourself though.... Here is a list of the Androgenic to Anabolic Ratios of pretty much all compounds used in bodybuilding

Compound:---------------------------------Androgenic------Anabolic
1-Testosterone------------------------------------100------200
Anabolicum Vister(Quinbolone)(oral Boldenone)--------50------100
Anadrol 50(Oxymetholone)---------------------------45------320
Anadur(Nandrolone Hexyloxyphenylpropionate)---------37-----125
Anatrofin(Stenbolone Acetate)------------------107-144-----267-332
Anavar(Oxandrolone)--------------------------------24------322-630
Andractim(Dihydrotestosteron)-------------------30-260-----60-220
Andriol(Testosterone Undecanoate)-----------------100------100
Androderm(Testosterone)---------------------------100------100
Androgel(Testosterone)-----------------------------100------100
Boldabol(Boldenone Acetate)-------------------------50------100
Cheque Drops(Mibolerone)-------------------------1,800------4,100
Danocrine(Danazol)----------------------------------37------125
Deca-Durabolin(Nandrolone Decanoate)---------------37------125
Deposterona(Testosterone Blend)-------------------100------100
Dianabol(Methandrostenolone)--------------------40-60------90-210
Dimethyltrienolone------------------------------10,000+-----10,000+
Dinandrol(Nandrolone Blend)--------------------------37------125
Durabolin(NPP)--------------------------------------37------125
Dynabol(Nandrolone Cypionate)----------------------37------125
Equipoise(Boldenone Undecylenate)------------------50------100
Esiclene(Formebolone)----------------------------No Data Available
Genabol(Norbolethone)------------------------------17------350
Halotestin(Fluoxymesterone)-----------------------850------1,900
Hydroxytestosterone--------------------------------25------65
Laurabolin(Nandrolone Laurate)----------------------37------125
Madol(Desoxymethyltestosterone)------------------187------1,200
Masteron(Drostanolone Propionate)---------------25-40------62-130
Megagrisevit-Mono(Clostebol Acetate)---------------25------46
MENT(Methylnortestosterone Acetate)--------------650------2,300
Mestanolone-----------------------------------78-254------107
Methandriol(Mythelandrostenediol)----------------30-60------20-60
Methyl-1-Testosterone------------------------100-220------910-1,600
Methyldienolone-------------------------------200-300------1,000
Methylhydroxynandrolone(MHN)---------------------281------1304
Methyltestosterone-----------------------------94-130------115-150
Metribolone(Methyltrienolone)---------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
Miotolan(Furazabol)------------------------------73-94------270-330
Myagen(Bolasterone)-------------------------------300------575
Nilevar(Norethandrolone)-------------------------22-55------100-200
Omnadren(Testosterone Blend)---------------------100------100
Orabolin(Ethylestrenol)--------------------------20-400------200-400
Oral Turinabol------------------------------------None------100+
Oranabol(Oxymesterone)----------------------------50------330
Orgasteron(Normethandrolone)-----------------325-580------110-125
Parabolan(Tren Hexahydrobenzycarbonate)----------500------500
Primobolan(Methenolone Acetate)-----------------44-57------88
Primobolan Depot(Methenolone Enanthate)--------44-57------88
Prostanozol----------------------------------------n/a------n/a
Protabol(Thiomesterone)----------------------------61------456
Proviron(Mesterolone)---------------------------30-40------100-150
Sanabolicum(Nandrolone Cyclohexylpropionate)------37------125
Steranabol Ritardo(Oxabolone Cypionate)---------20-60------50-90
Superdrol(Methyldrostanolone)---------------------400------20
Sustanon 100 & 250-------------------------------100------100
Synovex(Testosterone Propionate & Estradiol)-------100------100
Test 400------------------------------------------100------100
Test Enanthate/Cypionate/Propionate/Susp & Blends-100------100
THG(Tetrahydrogestrinone)-----------------------No Data Available
Tren Acetate/Enanthate & Blends-------------------500------500
Winstrol(Stanozolol)---------------------------------30------320
What he said.
 

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TRT is arguably more powerful than the andros on the market...would be quite useless. Take an AAS instead
Guys that are running TRT are usually prescribed about 150-200 mg a week, that is not a lot, not something that will provide substantial gains.

Remember, they are not cycling TRT, they are using it year round. Guys that cycle testosterone are running it at 500 - 1,000 mg a week.
 
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Guys that are running TRT are usually prescribed about 150-200 mg a week, that is not a lot, not something that will provide substantial gains.

Remember, they are not cycling TRT, they are using it year round. Guys that cycle testosterone are running it at 500 - 1,000 mg a week.
150-200mg weekly is now considered a 'high' dose by most gp's....I got cut from 200mg weekly to 100mg weekly.

toxic masculinity, lol...to many busybody women in the med profession are anti-testosterone, at least this has been my experience!!!

piece of advice, if you are on or considering trt, stay way clear as far as possible from women doctors!!!! TRUTH
 
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Guys that are running TRT are usually prescribed about 150-200 mg a week, that is not a lot, not something that will provide substantial gains.

Remember, they are not cycling TRT, they are using it year round. Guys that cycle testosterone are running it at 500 - 1,000 mg a week.
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Guys that are running TRT are usually prescribed about 100-150 mg a week (rarely up to 200mg), that is not a lot, not something that will provide substantial gains.

Remember, they are not cycling TRT, they are using it year round. Guys that cycle testosterone are running it (mostly) at slightly over TRT dose, like 175 -300mg for a cruise. For a blast = anything more than a cruise, and/or including other compounds than test.

;)
 
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Uhh ya idk about that my dude...

If you are comparing TRT to something like 1-TESTOSTERONE (1-andro) on a miligram per miligram basis, then you will probably see more prominent results from the 1-andro as it has a slightly higher anabolic ratio in comparison to testosterone given in the form of TRT treatment.

The BIO-AVAILABILITY is what is going to make the difference here (liposomal versions of 1-andro absorb and deliver the most efficiently as far as oral compounds are concerned) but when you are comparing it to an oil based compound that is delivered via an intra-muscular injection then yes, your body will likely absorb a much higher percentange of the compound if taken via injection as your liver doesn't even make contact with it at all because the compound itself basically goes directly into your muscle cells and does not need to undergo a "conversion" via your bodily functions to become active; thus kicking in and raising your levels FASTER than most orals forms of testosterone do.

Feel free to compare for yourself though.... Here is a list of the Androgenic to Anabolic Ratios of pretty much all compounds used in bodybuilding

Compound:---------------------------------Androgenic------Anabolic
1-Testosterone------------------------------------100------200
Anabolicum Vister(Quinbolone)(oral Boldenone)--------50------100
Anadrol 50(Oxymetholone)---------------------------45------320
Anadur(Nandrolone Hexyloxyphenylpropionate)---------37-----125
Anatrofin(Stenbolone Acetate)------------------107-144-----267-332
Anavar(Oxandrolone)--------------------------------24------322-630
Andractim(Dihydrotestosteron)-------------------30-260-----60-220
Andriol(Testosterone Undecanoate)-----------------100------100
Androderm(Testosterone)---------------------------100------100
Androgel(Testosterone)-----------------------------100------100
Boldabol(Boldenone Acetate)-------------------------50------100
Cheque Drops(Mibolerone)-------------------------1,800------4,100
Danocrine(Danazol)----------------------------------37------125
Deca-Durabolin(Nandrolone Decanoate)---------------37------125
Deposterona(Testosterone Blend)-------------------100------100
Dianabol(Methandrostenolone)--------------------40-60------90-210
Dimethyltrienolone------------------------------10,000+-----10,000+
Dinandrol(Nandrolone Blend)--------------------------37------125
Durabolin(NPP)--------------------------------------37------125
Dynabol(Nandrolone Cypionate)----------------------37------125
Equipoise(Boldenone Undecylenate)------------------50------100
Esiclene(Formebolone)----------------------------No Data Available
Genabol(Norbolethone)------------------------------17------350
Halotestin(Fluoxymesterone)-----------------------850------1,900
Hydroxytestosterone--------------------------------25------65
Laurabolin(Nandrolone Laurate)----------------------37------125
Madol(Desoxymethyltestosterone)------------------187------1,200
Masteron(Drostanolone Propionate)---------------25-40------62-130
Megagrisevit-Mono(Clostebol Acetate)---------------25------46
MENT(Methylnortestosterone Acetate)--------------650------2,300
Mestanolone-----------------------------------78-254------107
Methandriol(Mythelandrostenediol)----------------30-60------20-60
Methyl-1-Testosterone------------------------100-220------910-1,600
Methyldienolone-------------------------------200-300------1,000
Methylhydroxynandrolone(MHN)---------------------281------1304
Methyltestosterone-----------------------------94-130------115-150
Metribolone(Methyltrienolone)---------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
Miotolan(Furazabol)------------------------------73-94------270-330
Myagen(Bolasterone)-------------------------------300------575
Nilevar(Norethandrolone)-------------------------22-55------100-200
Omnadren(Testosterone Blend)---------------------100------100
Orabolin(Ethylestrenol)--------------------------20-400------200-400
Oral Turinabol------------------------------------None------100+
Oranabol(Oxymesterone)----------------------------50------330
Orgasteron(Normethandrolone)-----------------325-580------110-125
Parabolan(Tren Hexahydrobenzycarbonate)----------500------500
Primobolan(Methenolone Acetate)-----------------44-57------88
Primobolan Depot(Methenolone Enanthate)--------44-57------88
Prostanozol----------------------------------------n/a------n/a
Protabol(Thiomesterone)----------------------------61------456
Proviron(Mesterolone)---------------------------30-40------100-150
Sanabolicum(Nandrolone Cyclohexylpropionate)------37------125
Steranabol Ritardo(Oxabolone Cypionate)---------20-60------50-90
Superdrol(Methyldrostanolone)---------------------400------20
Sustanon 100 & 250-------------------------------100------100
Synovex(Testosterone Propionate & Estradiol)-------100------100
Test 400------------------------------------------100------100
Test Enanthate/Cypionate/Propionate/Susp & Blends-100------100
THG(Tetrahydrogestrinone)-----------------------No Data Available
Tren Acetate/Enanthate & Blends-------------------500------500
Winstrol(Stanozolol)---------------------------------30------320
The bioavailability of the available prohormones andros sucks, and is pointless. An actual AAS like Epi or Sdrol is a different story. But Those aren’t andros...
 
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Guys that are running TRT are usually prescribed about 100-150 mg a week (rarely up to 200mg), that is not a lot, not something that will provide substantial gains.

Remember, they are not cycling TRT, they are using it year round. Guys that cycle testosterone are running it (mostly) at slightly over TRT dose, like 175 -300mg for a cruise. For a blast = anything more than a cruise, and/or including other compounds than test.

;)
I gained a LOT when starting TRT. Also I ran a few andros around 300mg a day and still saw very little results in any. The TRT was far superior
 
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I gained a LOT when starting TRT. Also I ran a few andros around 300mg a day and still saw very little results in any. The TRT was far superior
NEWS FLASH...you are the exception rather than the rule!!!
 
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I gained a LOT when starting TRT. Also I ran a few andros around 300mg a day and still saw very little results in any. The TRT was far superior
Yes, that will go away after awhile... :)
 
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The bioavailability of the available prohormones andros sucks, and is pointless. An actual AAS like Epi or Sdrol is a different story. But Those aren’t andros...
of course dude... you are comparing METHYLATED compounds to non-methylated ones.

the absorption rate is going to be astronomically more efficient for methylated compounds as they resist your liver's enzymes and dont get broken down as much when passing through

there is a reason why compounds like epistane, msten, and DMZ were only ran around THIRTY milligrams a day versus the andro's which require THREE HUNDRED per day.

liposomal delivery greatly helps improve bioavailability, but sadly it seems like a lot of the liposomal compounds are no longer available since the owner of the patents is in a ****ty legal situation involving ingredients used in his products (dmaa)

So implication here is 1-testosterone is more anabolic than test, bioavailability is the concern but liposomal should help that, right?
yes.... liposomal delivery was very effective in improving bio-availability but unfortunately it seems as though it may be a thing of the past now as a lot of liposomal products are being pulled from the market for whatever stupid reason (assuming it has something to do with the owner of hi tech and his legal issues with the FDA regarding DMAA)
 

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Highly doubt your using “TRT” doses if you are “gaining” on test bro
Yeah to clarify the trt doses are not crazy high has Im taking it to regulate. I initially suffered from low test. Plus note is Im in the 700 with the trt which is above the average 30 yr male
 
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Yeah to clarify the trt doses are not crazy high has Im taking it to regulate. I initially suffered from low test. Plus note is Im in the 700 with the trt which is above the average 30 yr male
That is a very solid range to be in for sure!

Stacking with an epi andro would be good for more lean muscle gain or fat loss support

Stacking with a 1-andro will likely yield slightly more lean mass but with less androgenic effects (strength attributes) but can still help you trim some body fat in the process as well so it’s generally very effective for a lean bulk.

I use one or the other along with my slightly “higher” TRT doses when I blast during the summer or winter time

Otherwise, for the majority of the year I cruise at slightly lower doses of test without stacking other compounds with it at all

To give you some numbers, I run about 500-600 mg per week during a blast along with about 300 to 500 mg of 1-andro or epi andro with it depending on whether I’m cutting or lean bulking

As for my cruising doses, me and my “doctor” have found that my body responds best to around 200-300 mg a week split into 2 separate shots about 3/4 days apart from each other without causing my natural test to shut down entirely. The more frequent injections help keep my levels more stable and consistent as opposed to having them drop off every few days and then get bumped back into normal range by the time the next shot comes around 7 days later.

So through a few tests, I’ve come to find that this particular little recipe works best for me in terms of helping me regulate my levels and keep them on the higher end of the spectrum as far as the healthy range for males in my age group is concerned.

Hope some of that info helps you guys out!
 

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I gained a LOT when starting TRT. Also I ran a few andros around 300mg a day and still saw very little results in any. The TRT was far superior
Key theme I am seeing here, you are using your subjective experience as if it is objective fact.

Nothing wrong with having your own opinion but it is not helpful to guys on here if you are trying state your opinion as fact, especially when the OP is asking for help.
 

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All the advice and no one asked what the goal is.

OP, I am on TRT and I generally go one of two routes or both. I like to bulk up by increasing test to 300mg a week for a short 6-8 week blast where I usually pack on 8-12 lbs and then add in epiandro, or Musclegelz Androhard for 8 weeks. It is great to shred up and keep up strength, plus the increase in alpha mood/aggression is fun.
 

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I like to bulk up by increasing test to 300mg a week for a short 6-8 week blast where I usually pack on 8-12 lbs and then add in epiandro, or Musclegelz Androhard for 8 weeks. It is great to shred up and keep up strength, plus the increase in alpha mood/aggression is fun.
So do you take your epi-andro whilst on your cruise/prescribed TRT dose?
 
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All the advice and no one asked what the goal is.

OP, I am on TRT and I generally go one of two routes or both. I like to bulk up by increasing test to 300mg a week for a short 6-8 week blast where I usually pack on 8-12 lbs and then add in epiandro, or Musclegelz Androhard for 8 weeks. It is great to shred up and keep up strength, plus the increase in alpha mood/aggression is fun.
I think we all assumed he was trying to bulk as his question was related to 1-Andro.

Either way good point, should have asked and not assumed.
 

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I think we all assumed he was trying to bulk as his question was related to 1-Andro.

Either way good point, should have asked and not assumed.
I probably should’ve stated. Mostly going for as lean of a bulk as possible. Going to keep diet really clean high protein. Workout 6 days a week.
 
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I am on trt and used epiandro and 4 andro and had some decent gains ... nothing crazy but all weights Increased...ran them for 6-8 weeks
 
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I am on trt and used epiandro and 4 andro and had some decent gains ... nothing crazy but all weights Increased...ran them for 6-8 weeks
if you had bloods done while on or within a few days to a week after stopping I bet you would have seen a significant increase in test level, I know I did--it almost got my trt dose cut....
 
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ya i usually run the 1-andro for 8 weeks max but have pushed my epi-andro cycles to 10 weeks without any issues. since its less suppressive, you can even run it at slightly higher doses (some users go up as high as 600 to 700 mg of epi-andro per day).

i personally weigh about 235 to 245 lbs depending on the time of year and found that 300 to 500 mg works perfectly fine for me however
 

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if you had bloods done while on or within a few days to a week after stopping I bet you would have seen a significant increase in test level, I know I did--it almost got my trt dose cut....
That was a close call! How long is your usual break between stopping a cycle and getting blood
 
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That was a close call! How long is your usual break between stopping a cycle and getting blood
live and learn...I had no idea that epi/4-andro would shoot it so high...now I am extra cautious and don't even get an injection the week before scheduled test...I no longer run a cycle anywhere close to bloods. of course these days I only run 1- 2 month cycle per year.
 
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if you had bloods done while on or within a few days to a week after stopping I bet you would have seen a significant increase in test level, I know I did--it almost got my trt dose cut....
ya its usually best to just stick to one compound on top of the TRT from my experience. my buddy some times stacks 2 compounds but when he does, he runs each of them at half doses in order to keep his natural test from shutting down
 
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ya its usually best to just stick to one compound on top of the TRT from my experience. my buddy some times stacks 2 compounds but when he does, he runs each of them at half doses in order to keep his natural test from shutting down
I was running the 4-andro to supplement my dose of test cyp, I ran the epiandro with it for estrogen control....epiandro keeps my estrogen in check pretty good and I much prefer it to running an actual AI.
 
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I was running the 4-andro to supplement my dose of test cyp, I ran the epiandro with it for estrogen control....epiandro keeps my estrogen in check pretty good and I much prefer it to running an actual AI.
ya epi andro does an awesome job improving my testosterone:estrogen ratios as well

great for strength too
 
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DMZ gave me much better results than andro. The TRT is going to make it less efficient if anything trt will help. Chaos and Pain sells a great Andro product that’s dosed higher than other companys
Thanks for the Choas and Pain love

While on trt a Chemical one and/or chemical x by Choas and Pain would do you good with your trt dose
 

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So do you take your epi-andro whilst on your cruise/prescribed TRT dose?
Yes. It is an excellent addition and works fast. I like to take it a couple weeks before a beach vacation.
 

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ya i usually run the 1-andro for 8 weeks max but have pushed my epi-andro cycles to 10 weeks without any issues. since its less suppressive, you can even run it at slightly higher doses (some users go up as high as 600 to 700 mg of epi-andro per day).

i personally weigh about 235 to 245 lbs depending on the time of year and found that 300 to 500 mg works perfectly fine for me however
Ever run more than 1 type of andro at the same time with trt, perhaps even all 3 andros?
 

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if you had bloods done while on or within a few days to a week after stopping I bet you would have seen a significant increase in test level, I know I did--it almost got my trt dose cut....
Potential trt patient here. Thinking if go on trt May run epi, and 1 and 4 andro all at once, but worried about what it could do to lipids. You ever have lipids rested while on trt and doing an andro run?
 

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ya its usually best to just stick to one compound on top of the TRT from my experience. my buddy some times stacks 2 compounds but when he does, he runs each of them at half doses in order to keep his natural test from shutting down
Is your buddy on trt with natural test still running? If no natural test running while on trt do you see any negatives to running all 3 fully dosed?
 
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Ever run more than 1 type of andro at the same time with trt, perhaps even all 3 andros?
I tend to stick to 2 compounds at a time (including my trt) but my buddy has ran 3 compounds on top of test as well but his gains were not significantly more notable using 4 compounds total versus the 2 I was using.

Sometimes, less is more

I always preach running minimal effective doses. That way it keeps your tolerance lower and doesn’t make it so that you have to run ridiculously high doses or multiple compounds simultaneously to trigger a response from your cycles.
 

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I tend to stick to 2 compounds at a time (including my trt) but my buddy has ran 3 compounds on top of test as well but his gains were not significantly more notable using 4 compounds total versus the 2 I was using.

Sometimes, less is more

I always preach running minimal effective doses. That way it keeps your tolerance lower and doesn’t make it so that you have to run ridiculously high doses or multiple compounds simultaneously to trigger a response from your cycles.
Probably sound advice and makes the cycles less expensive and minimizes side effects. When you had your trt blood work everything check out ok (no blood thickening, etc)? How many weeks before blood work do you recommend ending the cycle?
 
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Probably sound advice and makes the cycles less expensive and minimizes side effects. When you had your trt blood work everything check out ok (no blood thickening, etc)? How many weeks before blood work do you recommend ending the cycle?
Great quration....I personally just had bloods done for my trt doc.
I added in 300 mgs/week of masteron E to my trt...which was amazing.
I came off 4 weeks before doing bloodwork for my doctor. Everything came back normal. The doc had zero suspicion.
 

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Great quration....I personally just had bloods done for my trt doc.
I added in 300 mgs/week of masteron E to my trt...which was amazing.
I came off 4 weeks before doing bloodwork for my doctor. Everything came back normal. The doc had zero suspicion.
Good to hear!
 
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Is your buddy on trt with natural test still running? If no natural test running while on trt do you see any negatives to running all 3 fully dosed?
ya the compounds have about a 6 to 8 hour half life so they should be out of your system in a week or two tops usually
 

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I’m on Trt and I’ve noticed some guys take 4 Andro while on Trt.. but i believe 4 Andro raises testosterone levels.correct?

If 4 Andro raises testosterone levels why take it while on Trt?what are the benefits of taking 4 Andro while on Trt?

Im asking because I’m interested on getting some andros
 

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