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  1. Quote Originally Posted by USPlabsRep View Post
    everyone has been hoodwinked by Coconut oil, its terrible for cholesterol.....and contrary to what they want you to believe, you will not levitate after using..
    Dude you may want to get updated with more modern science about cholesterol. Hell the FDA redacted alot of its information on the subject


  2. Quote Originally Posted by USPlabsRep View Post
    the "health benefits" are not supported by data unless it's newly published.
    This is true. coconut oil is severely lacking in any significant data to support most of it's health claims
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    Dude you may want to get updated with more modern science about cholesterol. Hell the FDA redacted alot of its information on the subject
    I'm not sure of the argument here. I'll take the Olive Oil. 2017-2018
    http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/8/3/e020167.full

    It's more comparable to Olive Oil in this examination, and better than Butter... but that won't stop me from..
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by justhere4comm View Post
    Is 2017-18 recent enough?
    http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/8/3/e020167.full

    It's more comparable to Olive Oil in this examination, and better than Butter... but that won't stop me from.. never mind.
    Yep. However, I was more talking about cholesterol, in general, and heart disease. The evidence does not seem to support that elevated levels of cholesterol is a significant risk factor of heart disease, nor is moderately elevated LDL. Although, there are subtypes of LDL that are highly associated with heart diseases. Moreover, that our dietary consumption of cholesterol, saturated fats and LDL do not significantly affect blood levels of cholesterol or LDL.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    Dude you may want to get updated with more modern science about cholesterol. Hell the FDA redacted alot of its information on the subject


    Dude, what is the modern science? show me.

    you maybe thinking that eating cholesterol may not increase cholesterol but I'm still pretty confident high Cholesterol is bad for you.

    You're also wrong about the FDA. They still recommend only 10% of fat intake come from saturated fats.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by USPlabsRep View Post
    Dude, what is the modern science? show me.

    you maybe thinking that eating cholesterol may not increase cholesterol but I'm still pretty confident high Cholesterol is bad for you.

    You're also wrong about the FDA. They still recommend only 10% of fat intake come from saturated fats.
    What I meant by more modern science is science that isn't from the 1920s or 1960s like most of the studies show cholesterol being bad. I will post up some info when I get some free time, middle of writing some essays and doing math.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    What I meant by more modern science is science that isn't from the 1920s or 1960s like most of the studies show cholesterol being bad. I will post up some info when I get some free time, middle of writing some essays and doing math.
    high cholesterol is bad, no way around that one.

    I said saturated fats like coconut oil increases cholesterol and should be limited not over consumed or a majority of fat intake.

  8. I agree with you in that Cholesterol is not the sole factor in heart disease. The links posted Proves my point, elevated bad cholesterol is bad and a warning sign of heart disease. I'll quote from a link you offered up.

    "LDL serves a very useful purpose. It acts as a warning sign that something is wrong and it signals the body to these warning signs. It does its job the way it is supposed to.

    You can't say that elevated bad cholesterol proves no risk or as it seems you are suggesting is good for you. The data says Cholesterol is not the cause of heart disease but it is associated with heart disease. If diet is high in saturated fat it is highly likely overall diet is bad and high cholesterol is a warning sign.

    look a couple grams of coconut oil is probably good in a balanced diet but the fact that people are eating 10-20 grams a day for months or years on a daily basis thinking its healthy well....its not a healthy approach. It's definitively not a Panacea, it's just a fat...that's my point.

  9. If we really wanted to cut to the chase of heart disease its the combination of high refined sugar and high fat diets, which are usually high in saturated fats. these dietary habits are associated with sedentary individuals...recipe for disaster.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by USPlabsRep View Post
    I agree with you in that Cholesterol is not the sole factor in heart disease. The links posted Proves my point, elevated bad cholesterol is bad and a warning sign of heart disease. I'll quote from a link you offered up.

    "LDL serves a very useful purpose. It acts as a warning sign that something is wrong and it signals the body to these warning signs. It does its job the way it is supposed to.

    You can't say that elevated bad cholesterol proves no risk or as it seems you are suggesting is good for you. The data says Cholesterol is not the cause of heart disease but it is associated with heart disease. If diet is high in saturated fat it is highly likely overall diet is bad and high cholesterol is a warning sign.

    look a couple grams of coconut oil is probably good in a balanced diet but the fact that people are eating 10-20 grams a day for months or years on a daily basis thinking its healthy well....its not a healthy approach. It's definitively not a Panacea, it's just a fat...that's my point.
    LDL is no doubt is bad. But is misleading to say that without qualifiers. Such as there are subtypes of LDL that are way worse than others, and some the are not associated with heart disease.

    As well as the parameters of cholesterol on what is considered high, and what levels are actually associated with heart disease. Not to mention it is a correlation not a causation. It is completely possible the inflammation (or a different known risk factor) is the sole cause, but since inflammation increases cholesterolómore specifically LDL and it's subtypesó it's hard to determine the root of the problem.

    Also if you read all of the studies and articles, you would have saw that they mention that saturated fatsónor dietary cholesteroló do not increase blood levels of cholesterol. It is carbohydrates, more specifically sugar, that increase blood levels of cholesterol. Matter of fact low carb diets, especially ketogenic diet, with very high saturated fats have shown to significant reduce blood cholesterol levels.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    LDL is no doubt is bad. But is misleading to say that without qualifiers. Such as there are subtypes of LDL that are way worse than others, and some the are not associated with heart disease.

    As well as the parameters of cholesterol on what is considered high, and what levels are actually associated with heart disease. Not to mention it is a correlation not a causation. It is completely possible the inflammation (or a different known risk factor) is the sole cause, but since inflammation increases cholesterol—more specifically LDL and it's subtypes— it's hard to determine the root of the problem.

    Also if you read all of the studies and articles, you would have saw that they mention that saturated fats—nor dietary cholesterol— do not increase blood levels of cholesterol. It is carbohydrates, more specifically sugar, that increase blood levels of cholesterol. Matter of fact low carb diets, especially ketogenic diet, with very high saturated fats have shown to significant reduce blood cholesterol levels.
    Your own advice would have you qualifying that Sugar itself is not the culprit but it's associated with a bad dietary habits just like saturated fats and cholesterol. I read and also know what you've posted is not finality on the subject but a quick google/pubmed search.

    safe to say we may both agree that it's not a single factor that leads to heart disease...

  12. Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    LDL is no doubt is bad. But is misleading to say that without qualifiers. Such as there are subtypes of LDL that are way worse than others, and some the are not associated with heart disease.

    As well as the parameters of cholesterol on what is considered high, and what levels are actually associated with heart disease. Not to mention it is a correlation not a causation. It is completely possible the inflammation (or a different known risk factor) is the sole cause, but since inflammation increases cholesterol—more specifically LDL and it's subtypes— it's hard to determine the root of the problem.

    Also if you read all of the studies and articles, you would have saw that they mention that saturated fats—nor dietary cholesterol— do not increase blood levels of cholesterol. It is carbohydrates, more specifically sugar, that increase blood levels of cholesterol. Matter of fact low carb diets, especially ketogenic diet, with very high saturated fats have shown to significant reduce blood cholesterol levels.
    also, after reading, some of it is already dated, for example this exert below:

    MAO, in turn, promotes atherosclerosis and has been associated with a higher risk of cardiovascular events independent of traditional risk factors such as cholesterol. The gut microbiota can also adapt to changes in diet, which may explain why some vegans do not produce any TMAO after an L-carnitine challenge and how the Mediterranean diet may exert its anti-inflammatory and anti-atherosclerotic effects[34].

  13. Quote Originally Posted by USPlabsRep View Post
    Your own advice would have you qualifying that Sugar itself is not the culprit but it's associated with a bad dietary habits just like saturated fats and cholesterol. I read and also know what you've posted is not finality on the subject but a quick google/pubmed search.

    safe to say we may both agree that it's not a single factor that leads to heart disease...
    For sure. Btw this were not quick Google searches I've had these saved for a while but I don't have access to my full database, where I have almost everything stored, atm.
    Quote Originally Posted by USPlabsRep View Post
    also, after reading, some of it is already dated, for example this exert below:

    MAO, in turn, promotes atherosclerosis and has been associated with a higher risk of cardiovascular events independent of traditional risk factors such as cholesterol. The gut microbiota can also adapt to changes in diet, which may explain why some vegans do not produce any TMAO after an L-carnitine challenge and how the Mediterranean diet may exert its anti-inflammatory and anti-atherosclerotic effects[34].
    Agreed it is dated. Just was using them to show that it's not simple as we thought, or you were making seem.

    It could very well be cholesterol, more specifically LDL and certain subtypes, but I find that hard to believe. Especially when we look at what is causing these numbers to rise. I wish I had more time to give to this discussion.

  14. As far as I know the most recent research indicates coconut oil is a very healthy oil with lots of benefits, even greater than olive oil.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    As far as I know the most recent research indicates coconut oil is a very healthy oil with lots of benefits, even greater than olive oil.
    Has their been any studies done that measured direct health outcomes or as you call it "lots of benefits"?

  16. The wife and I use it for sexy time....makes for a super sick time!!!!!!!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by dds View Post
    The wife and I use it for sexy time....makes for a super sick time!!!!!!!
    Heard of people using too much of it and going into diabetic shock. Too much sugar absorbed through the vageen
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by USPlabsRep View Post
    Has their been any studies done that measured direct health outcomes or as you call it "lots of benefits"?
    well its better for cooking than olive oil. I used to use olive oil, i still do , and used to think olive oil was top dog as far as oils for cooking. why are you so against coconut oil?
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    Heard of people using too much of it and going into diabetic shock. Too much sugar absorbed through the vageen
    A little bit goes a looooooong way

  20. Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    well its better for cooking than olive oil. I used to use olive oil, i still do , and used to think olive oil was top dog as far as oils for cooking. why are you so against coconut oil?
    I use coconut oil for cocking as well, I think it gives food a little extra taste, it’s also tasty in shakes.

  21. The problem with coconut oil isn't coconut oil. It is all the people making exaggerated claims. On the other hand, people do the same thing with olive oil. Most of the data on olive oil is weak. So many studies are just data mining and finding correlation.

    People shouldn't be going nuts with any fats. I think coconut oil is perfectly safe or healthy even at 20 grams a day. As long as it isn't in addition to other fats and carbs.

    The problem is that people become so polarized - one group says it is a panacea and the other group acts like it is heart disease in a jar.

    Sometimes I use a lit of coconut oil, sometimes I use none at all.

    Personally I think olive oil is equally as overblown as coconut oil.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    The problem with coconut oil isn't coconut oil. It is all the people making exaggerated claims. On the other hand, people do the same thing with olive oil. Most of the data on olive oil is weak. So many studies are just data mining and finding correlation.

    People shouldn't be going nuts with any fats. I think coconut oil is perfectly safe or healthy even at 20 grams a day. As long as it isn't in addition to other fats and carbs.

    The problem is that people become so polarized - one group says it is a panacea and the other group acts like it is heart disease in a jar.

    Sometimes I use a lit of coconut oil, sometimes I use none at all.

    Personally I think olive oil is equally as overblown as coconut oil.
    One of the problems with olive oil, is the question if itís actually olive oil that youíre consuming. I primarily use olive oil for cooking and coconut oil in shakes. Agreed that the benefits of coconut oil are often times overblown.

    I think itís great for skin health, though. Soap bars, or just straight oil

  23. Anything is fine in moderation. I will say I find the burning points of these oils being the most important thing of cooking with it. Some demographics simply canít afford coconut oil as well. CRISCO hasnít let me down yet!
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by USPlabsRep View Post
    high cholesterol is bad, no way around that one.

    I said saturated fats like coconut oil increases cholesterol and should be limited not over consumed or a majority of fat intake.
    It depends on what you call high, but he actually hit the nail on the head.

    High, proper functioning LDL is not harmful, but high triglyceride dense LDL is. LDL p is a better predictor of heart disease than simply high cholesterol.

    A lot of westerners have both elevated cholesterol and elevated dysfunctional cholesterol which seemingly paints the image of high cholesterol = bad, but it's also because their diets suck.

    I agree though that coconut oil has a strange hype around it that is overblown in some circles.
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