Coconut Oils Benefits

[coconutoilsdo]

I recently discovered the wonders of coconut oil, I just want to know if coconut oil can cure cancer?

 

[Jiigzz]

No.

 

[cheftepesh1]

Seriously. For cancer support look at CBD.

 

[Young Gotti]

coconut oil can do a lot of things....so if squats can cure cancer then coconut oil should do the trick as well

haha I'm joking of course but the benefits of coconut oil are big

 

[kisaj]

User name checks out.

 

[USPlabsRep]

I recently discovered the wonders of coconut oil, I just want to know if coconut oil can cure cancer?

everyone has been hoodwinked by Coconut oil, its terrible for cholesterol.....and contrary to what they want you to believe, you will not levitate after using..

 

[Young Gotti]

everyone has been hoodwinked by Coconut oil, its terrible for cholesterol.....and contrary to what they want you to believe, you will not levitate after using..

speak for yourself, I'm a regular peter pan when I take it....and the bad for cholesterol thing was total BS

 

[USPlabsRep]

speak for yourself, I'm a regular peter pan when I take it....and the bad for cholesterol thing was total BS

total BS? Or you saying increasing cholesterol is total bs for heart disease? Point is coconut oil is nothing special and all health claims are not supported.

 

[justhere4comm]

1) YAY: Cultures that ate a ton of coconut didn't have much heart disease
Coconuts are highly prized by both fictional castaways and real-life island cultures, especially in the Pacific islands. Two particular of the islands that have very high coconut fat intakes are Tokelau and Kitava. Tokelau residents obtained an astronomical 63% of their calories from coconut, while none showed signs of previous heart attacks by ECG detection.

Maybe this shows that fat isn’t the enemy, and carbs are instead? WRONG. Kitavans got around 70% of their calories from carbs, with plenty of fruit sugar and starchy carbs in there, yet they also had low insulin levels and no detectable heart disease.

Maybe these islanders are just genetically healthy? Wrong again, as followup research showed that lowering their saturated fat intake after migrating away, and eating more of a modern diet, led Tokelau residents to worse health.


2) NAY: Cultures that ate a ton of coconut didn’t eat refined coconut oil
These island cultures, before being ‘gifted’ with our modern refined foods, ate coconut flesh and coconut cream. They didn’t have factories to isolate and purify coconut oil, or fancy grocery stores offering a consistent supply of jars of refined oils.

Not to mention that these cultures ate diets of mostly tubers, fruits, and fish. Whereas we eat diets replete in soybean oil, wheat, and corn products. Physiological context matters, and saturated fat from coconut may very well be harmful in one physiological context and neutral or beneficial in another.


3) YAY: Animals fed refined coconut oil sometimes improve their heart health
You will never find a human study coconut oil study that matches the unique benefits of an animal study: extremely controlled diets in the lab, feeding coconut oil for the majority of the rodent’s life, etc.

And in one particular mouse experiment, refined coconut oil actually fared better than refined olive oil in protecting against hardened arteries. A big caveat applies though: the other mouse experiment in the same study showed worse outcomes from coconut oil than olive oil. The former mice had their LDL receptors knocked out, while the latter mice had their ApoE proteins knocked out.


4) NAY: Humans aren't lab mice
The good news is that mice are omnivores like us. The bad news is that we’re still pretty different from mice, and translational research faces a number of issues.

Specific differences abound. For example, humans can’t produce their own vitamin C but mice (and most other animals) can. Mouse hearts can react quite differently to drugs compared to human hearts. And when diseases are studied in mice, we often knock out a gene in order to more specifically study the problem. Like the LDL receptor knockout mice referred to in the previous point, which were inbred mice affectionately known as LDLRKO (low density lipoprotein receptor-deficient) mice. If you’re not an inbred mouse, the results might not apply to you.


5) NAY: Purified fats are usually worse for heart health
Coconut oil lacks some of the components of coconut cream, such as polyphenols, fiber, and vitamin E. Nobody knows how important this is, since trials don't often compare the two.

But we can learn from an analogous example. Please fill in the blank in the following analogy:

(Coconut oil is to coconut cream) as ( BLANK is to heavy whipping cream)

The answer is that staple of French cuisine that Americans fear … butter. And the fear is not totally unjustified, since butter has a far greater negative impact on LDL cholesterol compared to heavy cream, which has a negligible to small impact. To understand why that is, you have to open your mind to The Matrix. Which in this case is the food matrix, like the milk fat globule membrane that surrounds dairy cream fat unless you refine it down to butter, or the matrix that coconut fat is part of before you force it out into a refined product. These structures can lead to different physiological effects, including potentially on cardiovascular health.


6) YAY: Coconut oil contains MCTs; MCTs could help you lose weight
MCT (Medium Chain Triglyceride) oil is a highly refined oil that’s made from coconut or palm oil. Since it’s highly refined, it must be bad, right? Nope, MCT oil is actually a potentially strong therapeutic agent, and could help with weight loss!

Let’s be perfectly clear here: if you just gulp a couple tablespoons of MCT oil each day, you will most assuredly gain weight, since fat is quite energy dense. But studies show that replacing some existing vegetable oil intake with MCT oil could lead you to eat up to 500 kcals less per day. That is quite substantial, although the evidence is somewhat mixed.


7) NAY: Coconut oil evidence for weight loss doesn’t mirror the evidence for MCT oil
If you read the previous point, you might be excited by coconut oil’s potential to help weight loss. Sorry to be a downer, but the most recent paper (from April 2017) showed that coconut oil made people feel hungrier and less full than did olive oil. Uh-oh, what does that mean for your fat-laden morning coffee health elixir that supposedly blunts appetite? The evidence isn’t conclusive, but you may have been placebo’d.


8) NAY: In marketing, coconut oil is falsely equated to purified MCT oil
Here’s the problem with most nutrition information on the Internet, excluding information from yours truly and our objectively-minded allies. You can say something like “coconut oil contains these amazing things called MCTs; so coconut oil helps weight loss, epilepsy, and diabetes!”, and nobody will blink an eye because this crap is just too complicated for an average person to sort through.

But coconut oil is not equivalent to the MCT oil that’s widely studied for medical conditions, and is actually quite far from it. While coconut oil contains MCTs, about half its fatty acid content comes from lauric acid, which is sometimes considered more of a long chain fatty acid than a medium chain one. Let’s just say it’s a pseudo-MCT. Lauric acid is 12 carbons long, while the commonly therapeutic MCTs are on the shorter side (8 or 10 carbons long). Those two carbons make a big difference, since shorter fatty acids of 10 carbons or less are more soluble in aqueous phases and also act as weak electrolytes, meaning they get absorbed faster. The end result is that around 95% of MCTs get absorbed directly for potential use as energy, while only about 25% of lauric acid does.

But fatty acids also come in the form of triglycerides. When you attach three fatty acids to a backbone, you get a triglyceride. Not only can individual fatty acids be classified as medium or long chain, but so can whole triglycerides. And it turns out that only around 4% of triglycerides in coconut oil are classified as medium chain. This can have a major impact on cholesterol effects.


9) YAY: MCTs and maybe coconut may help certain people with Alzheimer’s and epilepsy
Alzheimer’s patients have brains that don’t take up glucose that well, and the only alternate fuel the brain can use is ketone bodies. These are typically made as a side effect of very-low-carb dieting, which may not be the best route for Alzheimer’s patients. Another way to get ketone bodies is, instead of producing them yourself, eating the types of fats that favor ketone production. And MCTs fit that bill.

So what about coconut oil? Nobody knows, since it’s not as good at ketone production as purified MCT oil. But less refined coconut products have still been theorized to possibly help Alzheimer’s as well as epilepsy.


10) NAY: Medical and dietary associations warn against it
The American Heart Association advisory released on June 15, 2017 only contained one small section on coconut oil, but it created quite a backlash in the ‘natural health’ community. Which is mildly funny, because purified coconut oil is a modern invention, not something you find separated out a coconut in nature. But anywho, here are the two key parts of that section:

“A recent survey reported that 72% of the American public rated coconut oil as a “healthy food” compared with 37% of nutritionists.”

“... because coconut oil increases LDL cholesterol, a cause of CVD, and has no known offsetting favorable effects, we advise against the use of coconut oil.”

So are nutritionists just stodgy and uninformed? Is the AHA in the pockets of the anti-coconut-oil pro-big-corporation lobby? Don’t be so quick to judge, since the second part about cholesterol impacts is the important part. The first is more of a sign of the increasing distrust people have toward health authorities. Speaking of distrust ...


11) YAY: Medical and dietary associations aren't infallible
It took the Dietary Guidelines committee decades to change their outdated advice on dietary cholesterol. Basically, flawed experiments from the 1960s-1970s pointed at dietary cholesterol as being a main culprit in clogging up arteries, but soon thereafter science found that cholesterol in our blood is not very related to cholesterol in our food (but moreso to the amount and types of sugar and fat in our food). As late as 2010, the Guidelines still included recommendations to limit cholesterol intake, but finally in 2015 those recommendations disappeared.

Officially-recommended diets don’t always do that well in clinical trials, such as this one testing an older version of the American Heart Association diet. Interestingly, the authors conclusion was “this didn’t work so well … we need to cut dietary cholesterol and fat even more severely!”. We’re shaking our collective heads. Recent analyses of red meat and saturated fat don’t show a strong connection to heart disease, and that’s been more or less the story for a while now.


12) YAY: Coconut oil increases HDL
There have been seven trials that compared coconut oil (high in saturated fat) to a vegetable oil high in unsaturated fat. Five of the seven showed increased HDL levels. That should be a good thing, since HDL is generally considered protective against heart disease. On the other hand ...


13) NAY: Increased HDL might not mean much
There were two trials comparing coconut oil to butter, and they both increased HDL by similar amounts. Butter may not be the devil that some make it out to be, but no compelling research shows that it significantly benefits heart health (at least compared to fats like olive oil).

In addition, the idea of “HDL good! LDL bad!” is, predictably, oversimplified. While low HDL is a predictor of heart disease, attempts to raise it using pharmaceuticals have failed miserably, with drugs working awesomely to raise HDL only to lead to no positive effect or even more death. People with certain genetic mutations might also end up with very high and harmful HDL!

HDL is still considered protective of heart disease, so don't be scared of it, but also don't focus only on HDL-raising tactics when considering heart health. Lipid oxidation, arterial inflammation and calcification ... many factors come into play.


14) NAY: Coconut oil is likely to be net negative for LDL
If you mention LDL, some people will plug their ears and tune you out: “I can’t hear you, you’ve fallen for the cholesterol trap, while I’ve escaped the wrath of the status quo and eat my sticks of butter with no shame”.

Too bad, because the research into LDL receptor regulation, oxidized lipids, and so much more is of great interest. A common line of thinking is that eating coconut oil / butter / whatever increases only beneficial large fluffy LDL, not the harmful small dense LDL that gets trapped in arteries. Here’s a very short lesson to counter that:

"Small dense LDL" is around 24 nanometers in diameter, and "Large fluffy LDL" is around 27 nanometers, give or take a couple nanometers. In other words, this isn't a golf ball versus a basketball, but an orange versus a slightly smaller orange. And LDL is commonly separated into four rather than two types - LDL patterns I through IV, rather than small/large.

Endothelial gaps are large enough that both of these LDL types are plenty small enough to nefariously infiltrate. Density is a proxy for composition though, so there is something to be said for size/density, however ...

... cholesterol particle NUMBER seems to be a relatively greater determinant of harm than particle SIZE, and size often has little to no impact when controlling for other variables.

Besides that, nobody knows just how much coconut oil increases smaller vs larger LDL. But we can very very crudely estimate by using the triglyceride:HDL ratio as a proxy. On the positive side, coconut oil led to lower triglycerides than did butter in one trial and beef in another trial. But the overall evidence is mixed for coconut oil, as it didn’t improve triglycerides more than unsaturated safflower oil. And while some saturated fatty acids are linked to higher large/fluffy LDL and lower small/dense LDL, coconut oil is a mix of fatty acids and not just the ones that were beneficial in that study (myristic and palmitic acid, which collectively make up about a quarter of the fats in coconut oil).


15) YAY: Coconut oil is a good cooking oil
Coconut oil is incredibly saturated, for a plant-based oil, and that saturation gives it an advantage for cooking. Cooking involves heat, and heat often messes with chemical bonds. But the chemical bonds in coconut oil are more stable than most other oils, so it doesn’t oxidize or polymerize as easily.

Side note: polymerized unsaturated oils, conversely, are perfect for seasoning cast iron pans.


16) NAY: Coconut oil can have a low smoke point
Don’t deep fry with coconut oil! Coconut oil’s tropical cousin, palm oil, smokes at 235 degrees Celsius when unrefined. That’s good enough for deep frying, whereas unrefined coconut oil’s 177 °C smoke point will make your kitchen a smoky mess plus produce potential carcinogens.

Refined coconut oil, on the other hand, might be borderline okay for deep frying, with a smoke point around 204 °C.


17) YAY: Coconut oil doesn't go rancid like other oils
Highly unsaturated fats like corn oil have some glowing recent research, which masks their dark underside and valuable older research.

The more highly polyunsaturated the fat, the easier becomes rancid either during cooking, or slightly rancid if partially oxidized in your body. The Rose Corn Oil trial, from back in the 1960s, showed that replacing animal fats with corn oil actually substantially increased heart attack deaths.

The overall message here is that the impact of a fat on one or more indirect parameters (HDL, LDL, adhesion, etc) doesn’t always relay the end effect of the oil. We’re unlikely to have any more long-term trials feeding large doses of certain fats, so we have to rely on what past researchers have shown.


18) YAY: Coconut oil is antimicrobial
While lauric acid may not be the MCT you always dreamed of (see point 8 for more details), it does a bang up job as a natural antimicrobial. That’s partly because the antiviral, antibacterial compound monolaurin is formed from lauric acid.

Some of the potential benefits are mostly in the realm of natural medicine adherents -- for example, swishing coconut oil in your mouth might help prevent cavities due to antibacterial properties (although the evidence is super limited at this point). But monolaurin is also used in many commercial products to prevent microbe growth, and it also doesn’t seem to be linked to microbial antibiotic resistance either.

There's also a lot of potential for coconut oil to help gut disorders through microbial control, although the best research is currently in animal models.


19) YAY: Coconut oil is good for skin and hair
Indian grandmothers are widely known to pamper their hair with coconut oil. And in this case, ancestral wisdom is correct: coconut oil may help prevent hair damage. It has the unique combination of relatively short molecular chains that are also linear (aka saturated), which enables coconut oil to penetrate inside the hair shaft.

And coconut oil can also be helpful for rough and scaly skin, performing better than olive oil for atopic dermatitis.


20) NAY: It can cause diarrhea? Make immune problems worse?
These are open questions that are largely unresearched. Anecdotally, some people get upset stomach and even frank diarrhea from consuming moderate to large doses of coconut oil (although that seems to normalize after time for some people as well).

And although coconut oil can be antimicrobial, you always have to consider the possibility that something with positive effects could have unintended side effects in some people. One animal study suggested that lauric acid could have harmful effects on autoimmunity, although the study may not have been that applicable to real life humans. Possible immune modulating effects of different fatty acids in coconut oil are largely unknown, so this is where dose really matters: a tablespoon a day is unlikely to have an impact, but high doses (especially in the contexting of having an existing immune condition) could be playing with fire.


21) NAY: It's expensive
Coconut oil intake is obviously not a prerequisite for good health, and it’s one of the most expensive oils out there. That isn’t to say coconut oil can’t benefit health, as the myriad of evidence lines above suggest potential for benefit and much still to be learned.

Source: Examin.com​

My personal thoughts on the matter:
I'd prefer to look towards MCTs and bypass (no pun), ok it was a pun, the coconut oil.

 

[Young Gotti]

total BS? Or you saying increasing cholesterol is total bs for heart disease? Point is coconut oil is nothing special and all health claims are not supported.

lol yeah I totally disagree......you are thinking more so about the cholesterol and heart disease angle which was shot down....but hair, skin, nail, antifungal properties provide many health benefits

 

[cheftepesh1]

lol yeah I totally disagree......you are thinking more so about the cholesterol and heart disease angle which was shot down....but hair, skin, nail, antifungal properties provide many health benefits

There are many benefits to coconut oil. The fats in it can be healthy. Depending on your body is how you react to them.

The studies it all
Depends on who’s paying for it as to the findings they have. Keep that in mind.

 

[Young Gotti]

There are many benefits to coconut oil. The fats in it can be healthy. Depending on your body is how you react to them.

The studies it all
Depends on who’s paying for it as to the findings they have. Keep that in mind.

yep, whoever pays for the studies is very important, also the scope of the study, too many studies concentrate on one thing that they leave out so many factors, but ppl will always run with them

on this subject a few years ago when all of this coconut oil is the devil stuff was coming out, a few dr's totally debunked a few of the studies

 

[USPlabsRep]

lol yeah I totally disagree......you are thinking more so about the cholesterol and heart disease angle which was shot down....but hair, skin, nail, antifungal properties provide many health benefits

the "health benefits" are not supported by data unless it's newly published.

 

[justhere4comm]

the "health benefits" are not supported by data unless it's newly published.

Yep. We stopped consuming it a long time ago, but topical is great. There are so many more great alternatives, it's a waste to utilize an over processed an hyped product. Raw coconut is great, and the cream of coconut as well in moderation.

It's not worth arguing.
I'm going to go and eat a pizza now.

:afro:

 

[USPlabsRep]

Yep. We stopped consuming it a long time ago, but topical is great. There are so many more great alternatives, it's a waste to utilize an over processed an hyped product. Raw coconut is great, and the cream of coconut as well in moderation.

It's not worth arguing.
I'm going to go and eat a pizza now.

:afro:

it is a good moisturizer....

 

[justhere4comm]

it is a good moisturizer....

Pizza?
Ohhh... yeah...

 

[USPlabsRep]

Pizza?
Ohhh... yeah...

pizza probably works too....

 

[Young Gotti]

the "health benefits" are not supported by data unless it's newly published.

moisturized skin isn't a health benefit? I don't know about you but I try and take care of my biggest organ
oil pulling...also shown to be great for gum health

so when you talk health benefits, you are being short sited on what you are considering

goes back to the original post....coconut oil offers soo many benefits, it's not just for consumption

 

[justhere4comm]

Pizza.... pizza.... <- non-subliminal message.

Suddenly wakes out of a dream state with a half-empty pizza box in front of him; the twilight zone on; and the pizza guy banging on the door.. says I have to stop ordering 1 every 2 hours or he's going to call the paramedics.... all the while I feel this cold wetness on my cheek.

Wakes up for real. Whoa. (Cat licking my face- or was he tasting me?)

Wakes up again. I don't. Have. a. Cat... I have a Dog...

 

[USPlabsRep]

moisturized skin isn't a health benefit? I don't know about you but I try and take care of my biggest organ
oil pulling...also shown to be great for gum health

so when you talk health benefits, you are being short sited on what you are considering

goes back to the original post....coconut oil offers soo many benefits, it's not just for consumption

not everyone needs moisturizer

 

[Young Gotti]

not everyone needs moisturizer

haha ok?

 

[kisaj]

it is a good moisturizer....

Very much so. Cheap and incredibly effective.

 

[BlockBuilder]

Why am I not surprised transhuman liked OPs post...think vector thread lol

 

[USPlabsRep]

Very much so. Cheap and incredibly effective.

if you drink with coconut water its a double whammy but don't eat the flesh it has too much sugar...ok.

 

[kisaj]

I'll let my daily 32oz of chocolate milk and 1/4 gal of ice cream know about the sugar content. lol

 

[rtmilburn]

everyone has been hoodwinked by Coconut oil, its terrible for cholesterol.....and contrary to what they want you to believe, you will not levitate after using..

Dude you may want to get updated with more modern science about cholesterol. Hell the FDA redacted alot of its information on the subject

 

[rtmilburn]

the "health benefits" are not supported by data unless it's newly published.

This is true. coconut oil is severely lacking in any significant data to support most of it's health claims

 

[justhere4comm]

Dude you may want to get updated with more modern science about cholesterol. Hell the FDA redacted alot of its information on the subject

I'm not sure of the argument here. I'll take the Olive Oil. 2017-2018
http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/8/3/e020167.full

It's more comparable to Olive Oil in this examination, and better than Butter... but that won't stop me from.. :naughty:

 

[rtmilburn]

Is 2017-18 recent enough?
http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/8/3/e020167.full

It's more comparable to Olive Oil in this examination, and better than Butter... but that won't stop me from.. never mind.

Yep. However, I was more talking about cholesterol, in general, and heart disease. The evidence does not seem to support that elevated levels of cholesterol is a significant risk factor of heart disease, nor is moderately elevated LDL. Although, there are subtypes of LDL that are highly associated with heart diseases. Moreover, that our dietary consumption of cholesterol, saturated fats and LDL do not significantly affect blood levels of cholesterol or LDL.

 

[USPlabsRep]

Dude you may want to get updated with more modern science about cholesterol. Hell the FDA redacted alot of its information on the subject

Dude, what is the modern science? show me.

you maybe thinking that eating cholesterol may not increase cholesterol but I'm still pretty confident high Cholesterol is bad for you.

You're also wrong about the FDA. They still recommend only 10% of fat intake come from saturated fats.

 

[rtmilburn]

Dude, what is the modern science? show me.

you maybe thinking that eating cholesterol may not increase cholesterol but I'm still pretty confident high Cholesterol is bad for you.

You're also wrong about the FDA. They still recommend only 10% of fat intake come from saturated fats.

What I meant by more modern science is science that isn't from the 1920s or 1960s like most of the studies show cholesterol being bad. I will post up some info when I get some free time, middle of writing some essays and doing math.

 

[USPlabsRep]

What I meant by more modern science is science that isn't from the 1920s or 1960s like most of the studies show cholesterol being bad. I will post up some info when I get some free time, middle of writing some essays and doing math.

high cholesterol is bad, no way around that one.

I said saturated fats like coconut oil increases cholesterol and should be limited not over consumed or a majority of fat intake.

 

[rtmilburn]

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/study-says-theres-no-link-between-cholesterol-and-heart-disease/

http://transform.tamu.edu/news/bad-cholesterol-not-bad-people-think-study-shows

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9635993/?i=4&from=/16596800/related

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22037012

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4513492/

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/top-9-biggest-lies-about-dietary-fat-and-cholesterol#section4

 

[USPlabsRep]

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/study-says-theres-no-link-between-cholesterol-and-heart-disease/

Bad Cholesterol Not as Bad as People Think, Study Shows | Transform Lives

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9635993/?i=4&from=/16596800/related

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22037012

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4513492/

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/top-9-biggest-lies-about-dietary-fat-and-cholesterol#section4

I agree with you in that Cholesterol is not the sole factor in heart disease. The links posted Proves my point, elevated bad cholesterol is bad and a warning sign of heart disease. I'll quote from a link you offered up.

"LDL serves a very useful purpose. It acts as a warning sign that something is wrong and it signals the body to these warning signs. It does its job the way it is supposed to.

You can't say that elevated bad cholesterol proves no risk or as it seems you are suggesting is good for you. The data says Cholesterol is not the cause of heart disease but it is associated with heart disease. If diet is high in saturated fat it is highly likely overall diet is bad and high cholesterol is a warning sign.

look a couple grams of coconut oil is probably good in a balanced diet but the fact that people are eating 10-20 grams a day for months or years on a daily basis thinking its healthy well....its not a healthy approach. It's definitively not a Panacea, it's just a fat...that's my point.

 

[USPlabsRep]

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/study-says-theres-no-link-between-cholesterol-and-heart-disease/

http://transform.tamu.edu/news/bad-cholesterol-not-bad-people-think-study-shows

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9635993/?i=4&from=/16596800/related

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22037012

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4513492/

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/top-9-biggest-lies-about-dietary-fat-and-cholesterol#section4

If we really wanted to cut to the chase of heart disease its the combination of high refined sugar and high fat diets, which are usually high in saturated fats. these dietary habits are associated with sedentary individuals...recipe for disaster.

 

[rtmilburn]

I agree with you in that Cholesterol is not the sole factor in heart disease. The links posted Proves my point, elevated bad cholesterol is bad and a warning sign of heart disease. I'll quote from a link you offered up.

"LDL serves a very useful purpose. It acts as a warning sign that something is wrong and it signals the body to these warning signs. It does its job the way it is supposed to.

You can't say that elevated bad cholesterol proves no risk or as it seems you are suggesting is good for you. The data says Cholesterol is not the cause of heart disease but it is associated with heart disease. If diet is high in saturated fat it is highly likely overall diet is bad and high cholesterol is a warning sign.

look a couple grams of coconut oil is probably good in a balanced diet but the fact that people are eating 10-20 grams a day for months or years on a daily basis thinking its healthy well....its not a healthy approach. It's definitively not a Panacea, it's just a fat...that's my point.

LDL is no doubt is bad. But is misleading to say that without qualifiers. Such as there are subtypes of LDL that are way worse than others, and some the are not associated with heart disease.

As well as the parameters of cholesterol on what is considered high, and what levels are actually associated with heart disease. Not to mention it is a correlation not a causation. It is completely possible the inflammation (or a different known risk factor) is the sole cause, but since inflammation increases cholesterol—more specifically LDL and it's subtypes— it's hard to determine the root of the problem.

Also if you read all of the studies and articles, you would have saw that they mention that saturated fats—nor dietary cholesterol— do not increase blood levels of cholesterol. It is carbohydrates, more specifically sugar, that increase blood levels of cholesterol. Matter of fact low carb diets, especially ketogenic diet, with very high saturated fats have shown to significant reduce blood cholesterol levels.

 

[USPlabsRep]

LDL is no doubt is bad. But is misleading to say that without qualifiers. Such as there are subtypes of LDL that are way worse than others, and some the are not associated with heart disease.

As well as the parameters of cholesterol on what is considered high, and what levels are actually associated with heart disease. Not to mention it is a correlation not a causation. It is completely possible the inflammation (or a different known risk factor) is the sole cause, but since inflammation increases cholesterol—more specifically LDL and it's subtypes— it's hard to determine the root of the problem.

Also if you read all of the studies and articles, you would have saw that they mention that saturated fats—nor dietary cholesterol— do not increase blood levels of cholesterol. It is carbohydrates, more specifically sugar, that increase blood levels of cholesterol. Matter of fact low carb diets, especially ketogenic diet, with very high saturated fats have shown to significant reduce blood cholesterol levels.

Your own advice would have you qualifying that Sugar itself is not the culprit but it's associated with a bad dietary habits just like saturated fats and cholesterol. I read and also know what you've posted is not finality on the subject but a quick google/pubmed search.

safe to say we may both agree that it's not a single factor that leads to heart disease...

 

[USPlabsRep]

LDL is no doubt is bad. But is misleading to say that without qualifiers. Such as there are subtypes of LDL that are way worse than others, and some the are not associated with heart disease.

As well as the parameters of cholesterol on what is considered high, and what levels are actually associated with heart disease. Not to mention it is a correlation not a causation. It is completely possible the inflammation (or a different known risk factor) is the sole cause, but since inflammation increases cholesterol—more specifically LDL and it's subtypes— it's hard to determine the root of the problem.

Also if you read all of the studies and articles, you would have saw that they mention that saturated fats—nor dietary cholesterol— do not increase blood levels of cholesterol. It is carbohydrates, more specifically sugar, that increase blood levels of cholesterol. Matter of fact low carb diets, especially ketogenic diet, with very high saturated fats have shown to significant reduce blood cholesterol levels.

also, after reading, some of it is already dated, for example this exert below:

MAO, in turn, promotes atherosclerosis and has been associated with a higher risk of cardiovascular events independent of traditional risk factors such as cholesterol. The gut microbiota can also adapt to changes in diet, which may explain why some vegans do not produce any TMAO after an L-carnitine challenge and how the Mediterranean diet may exert its anti-inflammatory and anti-atherosclerotic effects[34].

 

[rtmilburn]

Your own advice would have you qualifying that Sugar itself is not the culprit but it's associated with a bad dietary habits just like saturated fats and cholesterol. I read and also know what you've posted is not finality on the subject but a quick google/pubmed search.

safe to say we may both agree that it's not a single factor that leads to heart disease...

For sure. Btw this were not quick Google searches I've had these saved for a while but I don't have access to my full database, where I have almost everything stored, atm.

also, after reading, some of it is already dated, for example this exert below:

MAO, in turn, promotes atherosclerosis and has been associated with a higher risk of cardiovascular events independent of traditional risk factors such as cholesterol. The gut microbiota can also adapt to changes in diet, which may explain why some vegans do not produce any TMAO after an L-carnitine challenge and how the Mediterranean diet may exert its anti-inflammatory and anti-atherosclerotic effects[34].

Agreed it is dated. Just was using them to show that it's not simple as we thought, or you were making seem.

It could very well be cholesterol, more specifically LDL and certain subtypes, but I find that hard to believe. Especially when we look at what is causing these numbers to rise. I wish I had more time to give to this discussion.

 

[John Smeton]

As far as I know the most recent research indicates coconut oil is a very healthy oil with lots of benefits, even greater than olive oil.

 

[USPlabsRep]

As far as I know the most recent research indicates coconut oil is a very healthy oil with lots of benefits, even greater than olive oil.

Has their been any studies done that measured direct health outcomes or as you call it "lots of benefits"?

 

[dds]

The wife and I use it for sexy time....makes for a super sick time!!!!!!!

 

[cubsfan815]

The wife and I use it for sexy time....makes for a super sick time!!!!!!!

Heard of people using too much of it and going into diabetic shock. Too much sugar absorbed through the vageen

 

[John Smeton]

Has their been any studies done that measured direct health outcomes or as you call it "lots of benefits"?

well its better for cooking than olive oil. I used to use olive oil, i still do , and used to think olive oil was top dog as far as oils for cooking. why are you so against coconut oil?

 

[dds]

Heard of people using too much of it and going into diabetic shock. Too much sugar absorbed through the vageen

A little bit goes a looooooong way

 

[BBiceps]

well its better for cooking than olive oil. I used to use olive oil, i still do , and used to think olive oil was top dog as far as oils for cooking. why are you so against coconut oil?

I use coconut oil for cocking as well, I think it gives food a little extra taste, it’s also tasty in shakes.

 

[HIT4ME]

The problem with coconut oil isn't coconut oil. It is all the people making exaggerated claims. On the other hand, people do the same thing with olive oil. Most of the data on olive oil is weak. So many studies are just data mining and finding correlation.

People shouldn't be going nuts with any fats. I think coconut oil is perfectly safe or healthy even at 20 grams a day. As long as it isn't in addition to other fats and carbs.

The problem is that people become so polarized - one group says it is a panacea and the other group acts like it is heart disease in a jar.

Sometimes I use a lit of coconut oil, sometimes I use none at all.

Personally I think olive oil is equally as overblown as coconut oil.

 

[aaronuconn]

The problem with coconut oil isn't coconut oil. It is all the people making exaggerated claims. On the other hand, people do the same thing with olive oil. Most of the data on olive oil is weak. So many studies are just data mining and finding correlation.

People shouldn't be going nuts with any fats. I think coconut oil is perfectly safe or healthy even at 20 grams a day. As long as it isn't in addition to other fats and carbs.

The problem is that people become so polarized - one group says it is a panacea and the other group acts like it is heart disease in a jar.

Sometimes I use a lit of coconut oil, sometimes I use none at all.

Personally I think olive oil is equally as overblown as coconut oil.

One of the problems with olive oil, is the question if it’s actually olive oil that you’re consuming. I primarily use olive oil for cooking and coconut oil in shakes. Agreed that the benefits of coconut oil are often times overblown.

I think it’s great for skin health, though. Soap bars, or just straight oil

 

[TheMovement]

Anything is fine in moderation. I will say I find the burning points of these oils being the most important thing of cooking with it. Some demographics simply can’t afford coconut oil as well. CRISCO hasn’t let me down yet!

 

[Jiigzz]

high cholesterol is bad, no way around that one.

I said saturated fats like coconut oil increases cholesterol and should be limited not over consumed or a majority of fat intake.

It depends on what you call high, but he actually hit the nail on the head.

High, proper functioning LDL is not harmful, but high triglyceride dense LDL is. LDL p is a better predictor of heart disease than simply high cholesterol.

A lot of westerners have both elevated cholesterol and elevated dysfunctional cholesterol which seemingly paints the image of high cholesterol = bad, but it's also because their diets suck.

I agree though that coconut oil has a strange hype around it that is overblown in some circles.