Liver indicators; testosterone, supps, diet, etc

[u_e_s_i]

So I had my first liver function test when I was 18, three years ago, and have had multiply ensuing ones ages 19, 20 and 21.
Throughout these there have consistently been tests in which my liver enzymes were at levels outside of the upper end of the normal range. I don't have the tests from ages 18,19 or 20 to hand and so I'm not sure what exactly was too high. Attached below are some recent tests.
At age 18 my doctor said that some of the elevated enzymes may be indicative of hepatitis B. We conducted a few specialised tests to test for hepatitis and it was concluded it isn't caused by hepatitis.

I've never done AAS or prohormones, tho at the start of last year I did an extended run of LGD which left me heavily suppressed. Given it'd been 6 and 8 months since the conclusion of my run I'd assume that the tests from November '17 and January '18 would be representative of 'normal' for me.


So I have a few questions.
- The only common supps in my regimen when the tests from age 18 and this year (age 21) were done are l-carnitine and CLA. Do either of these raise liver enzyme levels? I do take more of these than what it says on the bottle
- Why is it that people on steroids have elevated liver enzymes? Does high testosterone inherently elevate liver enzymes / liver function? Would having high natural testosterone levels cause elevated liver enzymes?
With a normal range of 350-950, in Nov'17 my testosterone was at 980, in Jan'18 testosterone was 1080. Estrogen was mid-range both times.
- When I was 18 I ate a paleo diet with <50g carbs a day. I no longer eat paleo but still eat <50gs carbs most days. Would this affect liver enzymes?
- Do some vitamins elevate liver enzyme / function levels? Say, a few times the RDA for certain things (orange triad, my multi, alone contains more than 1000% of RDA for some things).

Thanks in advance

 

[The Express 42]

Do you drink alcohol frequently or take a lot Tylenol regularly? This is a little confusing to me. Maybe try to pick up a liver supplement, CEL Tudca is a great option. What does the doc think is currently going on?

 

[Mixelflick]

So I had my first liver function test when I was 18, three years ago, and have had multiply ensuing ones ages 19, 20 and 21.
Throughout these there have consistently been tests in which my liver enzymes were at levels outside of the upper end of the normal range. I don't have the tests from ages 18,19 or 20 to hand and so I'm not sure what exactly was too high. Attached below are some recent tests.
At age 18 my doctor said that some of the elevated enzymes may be indicative of hepatitis B. We conducted a few specialised tests to test for hepatitis and it was concluded it isn't caused by hepatitis.

I've never done AAS or prohormones, tho at the start of last year I did an extended run of LGD which left me heavily suppressed. Given it'd been 6 and 8 months since the conclusion of my run I'd assume that the tests from November '17 and January '18 would be representative of 'normal' for me.


So I have a few questions.
- The only common supps in my regimen when the tests from age 18 and this year (age 21) were done are l-carnitine and CLA. Do either of these raise liver enzyme levels? I do take more of these than what it says on the bottle
- Why is it that people on steroids have elevated liver enzymes? Does high testosterone inherently elevate liver enzymes / liver function? Would having high natural testosterone levels cause elevated liver enzymes?
With a normal range of 350-950, in Nov'17 my testosterone was at 980, in Jan'18 testosterone was 1080. Estrogen was mid-range both times.
- When I was 18 I ate a paleo diet with <50g carbs a day. I no longer eat paleo but still eat <50gs carbs most days. Would this affect liver enzymes?
- Do some vitamins elevate liver enzyme / function levels? Say, a few times the RDA for certain things (orange triad, my multi, alone contains more than 1000% of RDA for some things).

Thanks in advance

Most males training hard will show elevated AST/ALT levels. Dr's tend to think liver damage but that's not necessarily so. It's a rather crude marker of tissue damage. If bilrubin and alkaline phosphates are in line your liver is likely fine.

One measure you will want to have is creatine kinase, and enzyme indicating muscle damage. If it gets too high, it can lead to a medical condition known as rhabdomyolosis. Essentially, the tearing down of muscle tissue. Too much dead muscle floating around can cause all sorts of problems, and it isn't always easy to spot. Urine the color of cola is one warning sign, excessive thirst being another. This is a serious condition that can and does kill, so it pays to know your numbers.

Hope that helps..

 

[ManuR]

Most males training hard will show elevated AST/ALT levels. Dr's tend to think liver damage but that's not necessarily so. It's a rather crude marker of tissue damage. If bilrubin and alkaline phosphates are in line your liver is likely fine.

One measure you will want to have is creatine kinase, and enzyme indicating muscle damage. If it gets too high, it can lead to a medical condition known as rhabdomyolosis. Essentially, the tearing down of muscle tissue. Too much dead muscle floating around can cause all sorts of problems, and it isn't always easy to spot. Urine the color of cola is one warning sign, excessive thirst being another. This is a serious condition that can and does kill, so it pays to know your numbers.

Hope that helps..

i had rhabdo last november..
dont go for ck to see if you got it.
you will feel it, unbearable pain in every muscle (and ck values 100k+++)
you will piss brown urine (myoglobin) etc.. so dont worry if your ck is in the thousands as long as you feel good..
alt/ast are elevated due to hard training.. these are enzymes that are not liver specific.
how is your ggt value? better indicator of liver issues

 

[u_e_s_i]

Do you drink alcohol frequently or take a lot Tylenol regularly? This is a little confusing to me. Maybe try to pick up a liver supplement, CEL Tudca is a great option. What does the doc think is currently going on?

I don't really drink anymore, pretty much quit when I was 19
The doc has no idea. The values do fluctuate a bit, going from mid-range in some tests to above the normal range in most.
I'll give tudca or a liver multi containing the stuff a try. Are there any liver supps I such be careful about taking whilst not on cycle or in pct?