Ergonine

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  1. Ergonine


    Just got this. What's the verdict with you guy's who've used it??


  2. To me it's a definite staple. I like the recovery aspects.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by pro45 View Post
    Just got this. What's the verdict with you guy's who've used it??
    It works well as a nice and easy non-stim pre-workout. Makes a great base for a "Build Your Own" pre-workout too, maybe add 4-6g of L-Citrulline and/or some caffeine (if you prefer a little stim).

  4. Best flavor!?
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  5. Yeah Iíve been on ergonine for several months now. Itís a damn near perfect sup. Iced tea is my favorite.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by The Express 42 View Post
    Best flavor!?
    I wouldn't say there's a best flavour, but Nanberry or Iced Tea are somewhat drinkable.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by The Express 42 View Post
    Best flavor!?
    I like them all. Think I might rate Tropical ahead of Nanaberry with Ice tea third.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by TheMrMuscle View Post
    I like them all. Think I might rate Tropical ahead of Nanaberry with Ice tea third.
    I've heard a lot of positives on the tropical flavor as well...

    I'd try tropical if I were you and see how it treats you.
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  9. You won't find a negative opinion on Ergonine, a staple here as well.

  10. I got a free sample of I believe the iced tea last year at the Arnold and tbh it was hard to choke down. May try the tropical
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  11. Tropical is excellent

  12. A staple product and all the flavors are great
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by AntM1564 View Post
    A staple product and all the flavors are great
    Can ergonine be taken post workout as well? I see the directions say pre but Iím already content and locked down with my pre workout (bought all effective ingredients in bulk for cheap). Iím interested if this may be a decent post workout supplement for recovery given the creatine/glutamine/HICA etc. Just curious!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Can ergonine be taken post workout as well? I see the directions say pre but I’m already content and locked down with my pre workout (bought all effective ingredients in bulk for cheap). I’m interested if this may be a decent post workout supplement for recovery given the creatine/glutamine/HICA etc. Just curious!
    Post workout would also be a good time as it's packed with recovery support ingredients and daily staples such as creatine and Betaine

  15. It's a great idea for a supplement but honestly I couldn't stomach the flavors no matter how much water I used. I was using unflavored and adding to different preworkout supplements I used.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by TheMrMuscle View Post
    To me it's a definite staple. I like the recovery aspects.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rockzilla View Post
    Yeah Iíve been on ergonine for several months now. Itís a damn near perfect sup. Iced tea is my favorite.
    Definite all around great product for so many reasons and staple worthy.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Express 42 View Post
    Best flavor!?
    Im very fond of nana berry and tropical twist. Great taste and doesnt seem to get old for me after tubs and tubs of use.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Slims View Post
    Post workout would also be a good time as it's packed with recovery support ingredients and daily staples such as creatine and Betaine
    Thanks man! The one thing that deters me is the HICA. All of the actual studies Iíve seen have it separated out into 3 doses at 500mg each. Thatís where the muscle growth benefits were seen. But taking 1500mg at once in no way signifies itíll have the same effect as 3x500 mg. Itís the same thing with leucine; if you take 5 grams of leucine 3 times a day it will have a significantly better effect than taking 15 grams once a day (based on the kinetics and limits of MPS). Unless studies have been done on HICA at a single 1500mg dose once a day that Iím missing. Could always just take 1/3 scoop pre workout, post workout, and later though I guess?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Thanks man! The one thing that deters me is the HICA. All of the actual studies I’ve seen have it separated out into 3 doses at 500mg each. That’s where the muscle growth benefits were seen. But taking 1500mg at once in no way signifies it’ll have the same effect as 3x500 mg. It’s the same thing with leucine; if you take 5 grams of leucine 3 times a day it will have a significantly better effect than taking 15 grams once a day (based on the kinetics and limits of MPS). Unless studies have been done on HICA at a single 1500mg dose once a day that I’m missing. Could always just take 1/3 scoop pre workout, post workout, and later though I guess?
    That's how I originally want to take it. 1/3 scoop, 3x a day.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by pro45 View Post
    That's how I originally want to take it. 1/3 scoop, 3x a day.
    Agreed for sure. I donít think it would be wise to just take a full dose once a day assuming your main priority is to stimulate muscle growth. Iíd also love to see how this goes with the addition of 3-5 grams leucine per 1/3 scoop. I donít believe the studies have ever done a comparison between the l-leucine and HICA which would be interesting. I mean it may just be redundant assuming identical MOA/receptor sites or whatnot (I mean it is a metabolite after all) but I think itís probably a VERY good way to ensure youíre maxing out your bodyís muscle protein synthesis. Or thatís my thinking at least

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Agreed for sure. I don’t think it would be wise to just take a full dose once a day assuming your main priority is to stimulate muscle growth. I’d also love to see how this goes with the addition of 3-5 grams leucine per 1/3 scoop. I don’t believe the studies have ever done a comparison between the l-leucine and HICA which would be interesting. I mean it may just be redundant assuming identical MOA/receptor sites or whatnot (I mean it is a metabolite after all) but I think it’s probably a VERY good way to ensure you’re maxing out your body’s muscle protein synthesis. Or that’s my thinking at least
    Yes, I am debating whether I should do the added l-leucine, or HMB. Should be interesting...

  21. Oh my dude you gotta go with the leucine just based on the economics alone! You can get quality bulk leucine for reaaaaaal cheap compared to HMB. I think I got half a kilo for like $25-30 or something silly. Iíd save the money you didnít spend on hmb pick up another ergonine or two! But I agree, should be very interesting indeed!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Agreed for sure. I donít think it would be wise to just take a full dose once a day assuming your main priority is to stimulate muscle growth. Iíd also love to see how this goes with the addition of 3-5 grams leucine per 1/3 scoop. I donít believe the studies have ever done a comparison between the l-leucine and HICA which would be interesting. I mean it may just be redundant assuming identical MOA/receptor sites or whatnot (I mean it is a metabolite after all) but I think itís probably a VERY good way to ensure youíre maxing out your bodyís muscle protein synthesis. Or thatís my thinking at least
    Leucine is more "anabolic" while HICA and HMB are more "anti-catabolic." In short, a "full" dose of leucine is going to stimulate MPS much more effectively than a full dose of HICA/HMB, but a full dose of HICA/HMB is going to be more anti-catabolic than a full dose of leucine; I wouldn't say that taking HMB/HICA provides no additional benefits if you're already taking leucine. The real argument/question is if you're doing enough (volume/frequency) that you would benefits from the anti-catabolic effects or not.

    I also wouldn't worry about taking the full daily dose of HMB/HICA once instead of split if I'm being honest. I think I actually recall seeing something showing that the HMB powder (the old stuff, not the fancy new HMB-FA) is best, or at least good, when the full 3g dose is taken pre-workout.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Oh my dude you gotta go with the leucine just based on the economics alone! You can get quality bulk leucine for reaaaaaal cheap compared to HMB. I think I got half a kilo for like $25-30 or something silly. Iíd save the money you didnít spend on hmb pick up another ergonine or two! But I agree, should be very interesting indeed!
    HMB isn't that expensive. You can get it for $74/kg, which comes out to under $7/month at 3g/day. That said, I don't see a need to use HMB and HICA, so if you're using Ergonine, which has HICA, I don't know if it'd be worth it to also add HMB. I have found HMB to be a bit more effective in terms of improving recovery than HICA, but both work IMO.
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  23. As an older lifter, HMB is one o the best anti-catabolic sups I've used. Along with creatine mono, it's a great one-two punch. I'm going back to this. With added l-leucine. Should be interesting. I'm completely natural, and 59 years old. Oh, with my Ergonine.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by slimsaw00 View Post
    It's a great idea for a supplement but honestly I couldn't stomach the flavors no matter how much water I used. I was using unflavored and adding to different preworkout supplements I used.
    You might want to try Finish Line from iForce. I used to love the E9 flavors, especially NB and IT, but now it's hard for me to get them down as well. I haven't tried Finish Line, but I've heard really good things. Main downfall is price.

  25. Iím half way through my third tub of the tropical flavour and Iím not a fan. I need to just chug it but thereís always hard little pieces left in it. Anyone else have that problem?

    What other products are out there like Ergonine? Triumph whenever it comes back? I see finished line mentioned. Anything else?
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