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It just amazes me that companies are marketing this stuff to be close or even better than DMAA. Its not. Thats all I am going to say here.
Your thoughts?
Your thoughts?
The DMAA that is available now isn't even the same as the stuff that was on the market originally. Wrong or right?different for sure.
better or worse? idk its like comparing grapes to raisins
to your first point it would be speculation based, but i would say right~ishThe DMAA that is available now isn't even the same as the stuff that was on the market originally. Wrong or right?
I would even say the pre workouts available today are nowhere near as powerful as the stuff that came out in the 80's and 90's before true EPHEDRA was banned. Back then they could put DMAA, Caffeine and EPHEDRA all in the same product and sell it anywhere.
Yeah I dropped my previous favorite pre workout Outlier Nutrition's Deviation. It was a complete matrix good DMAA caffeine mix, but then they dropped their PH line and went DMHA for their Deviation pre workout product at the same time.It just amazes me that companies are marketing this stuff to be close or even better than DMAA. Its not. Thats all I am going to say here.
Your thoughts?
Is the DMAA that you can buy in bulk the same as the stuff that was in the pre workouts say 10 years ago? If so I'd rather just add that to my pre's myself. What is your opinion?I've had this discussion for the last 2+ yrs. The DMAA now IS NOT what it was years ago, that's a fact. Any company reps that say its the same are just shilling their products. People aren't stupid, people know this sht isn't DMAA....or if it is...it is a watered down extract.
I'd love for PricePlow or Stack3d to send products out to be tested for DMAA content. Don't think the results would shock anyone. DMHA compared to DMAA/DMBA is laughable. Barely even produces any euphoric feeling.
So basically they are underdosed products per serving and tub. So a person needs to take 2-3 scoops of the stuff to feel the same effects as one scoop of the original Jack3d for example.I've always said that I feel that the DMAA that was in the original Jack3d was different than the DMAA today. For starters I'm not sure it was produced in China like it is now. Anyone who knows anything about gear can tell you a lot of the stuff that is manufactured in Chinese labs like Anavar isn't anywhere close to being the same as real pharma Anavar.
Priceplow put up a table here https://blog.priceplow.com/wp-content/uploads/zhang-study-dmaa-detected-removed-charts.png that lists the DMAA content in some products that I used way back in the day. I have no idea if these tests are accurate.
Jack3d is listed at 142mg per serving. I was taking 2-3 scoops of Jack3d back in 2010 and the focus and energy I got off it was unreal. I also crashed hard.
1MR is listed at 85mg per serving.
So either we are using a completely different compound today or a lower quality one, or these products contained heavy undisclosed doses that have a completely different effect at higher doses. I don't think today's DMAA products are bad, they just aren't anywhere close to being the same.
I haven't seen it in bulk in a long time...I'm not as upto date on raw suppliers, the last one I knew that had it was NutriVita shop. If you knew of a reliable Chinese raw supplier...prob. pretty cheap to order bulk and see.Is the DMAA that you can buy in bulk the same as the stuff that was in the pre workouts say 10 years ago? If so I'd rather just add that to my pre's myself. What is your opinion?
I have a tub of the og jack 3d in my fridge. Its almost 2 years past expiration and still hits harder.... It isnt the sameWhy do people keep claiming the DMAA wasn't the same? I could tell as soon as I took meso that it was. I just think you built some fantasy up in your mind about how amazing it used to be. It gave me the same sort of euphoria feeling it did before and the same exact stim dink.
any possibility of that jack3d being spiked?I have a tub of the og jack 3d in my fridge. Its almost 2 years past expiration and still hits harder.... It isnt the same
No lol the original 1mr was the same.... Hit hard as ****.any possibility of that jack3d being spiked?
yea, no, not 142mgs a serving, that's insane. You shouldn't recommend false hoods.I've always said that I feel that the DMAA that was in the original Jack3d was different than the DMAA today. For starters I'm not sure it was produced in China like it is now. Anyone who knows anything about gear can tell you a lot of the stuff that is manufactured in Chinese labs like Anavar isn't anywhere close to being the same as real pharma Anavar.
Priceplow put up a table here https://blog.priceplow.com/wp-content/uploads/zhang-study-dmaa-detected-removed-charts.png that lists the DMAA content in some products that I used way back in the day. I have no idea if these tests are accurate.
Jack3d is listed at 142mg per serving. I was taking 2-3 scoops of Jack3d back in 2010 and the focus and energy I got off it was unreal. I also crashed hard.
1MR is listed at 85mg per serving.
So either we are using a completely different compound today or a lower quality one, or these products contained heavy undisclosed doses that have a completely different effect at higher doses. I don't think today's DMAA products are bad, they just aren't anywhere close to being the same.
like a triple -1,00000% chance, probably the most independent tested supplement in history of the world.any possibility of that jack3d being spiked?
Don't listen to a random dude on the forum before forming your own conclusion, should be the rule of thumb for anyone, ever.So basically they are underdosed products per serving and tub. So a person needs to take 2-3 scoops of the stuff to feel the same effects as one scoop of the original Jack3d for example.
thats awesome....like a triple -1,00000% chance, probably the most independent tested supplement in history of the world.
no clue. DMAA is DMAA.thats awesome....
what do you think is the reason then for OP's question in terms of DMAA from then VS DMAA of now
Any chance you re-release Jack3d one day with the original formula? That would be fun to see.like a triple -1,00000% chance, probably the most independent tested supplement in history of the world.
Huh? Ex opiate users die when they try to use the same amount after being clean. Most of the time That's how they overdose.For the last damn time the DMAA is the same. I have sitting in my cabinet opened tubs of OG jack3d, muscle marinade, amp (the very first DMAA product), and clearshot. The stuff today is the exact same. It doesn’t matter if you haven’t taken DMAA for 5 years, it will never hit the same as when you first took it. The first time I took
Amp, it was like damn adderall with only two caps at a whopping 25mg. Now 100mg of the same **** is just a nice boost.
Meomorph is pretty damn close to Muscle Marinade which was the strongest DMAA product of its day. Why do you think ex opiate abusers have a super high tolerance after decades of being clean.
As for old ephedra products, the shop business was the Wild West in those days. Half the **** was spoke with god knows what
This is where the confusion comes into play as many of us did go through some years of not using any DMAA products between when it first came out, and the more current products.For the last damn time the DMAA is the same. I have sitting in my cabinet opened tubs of OG jack3d, muscle marinade, amp (the very first DMAA product), and clearshot. The stuff today is the exact same. It doesn’t matter if you haven’t taken DMAA for 5 years, it will never hit the same as when you first took it. The first time I took
Amp, it was like damn adderall with only two caps at a whopping 25mg. Now 100mg of the same **** is just a nice boost.
Meomorph is pretty damn close to Muscle Marinade which was the strongest DMAA product of its day. Why do you think ex opiate abusers have a super high tolerance after decades of being clean.
As for old ephedra products, the shop business was the Wild West in those days. Half the **** was spoke with god knows what
There is some new form of ephedra going around in some pre workouts currently. How does that stuff stack up to the ephedra of old?For the last damn time the DMAA is the same. I have sitting in my cabinet opened tubs of OG jack3d, muscle marinade, amp (the very first DMAA product), and clearshot. The stuff today is the exact same. It doesn’t matter if you haven’t taken DMAA for 5 years, it will never hit the same as when you first took it. The first time I took
Amp, it was like damn adderall with only two caps at a whopping 25mg. Now 100mg of the same **** is just a nice boost.
Meomorph is pretty damn close to Muscle Marinade which was the strongest DMAA product of its day. Why do you think ex opiate abusers have a super high tolerance after decades of being clean.
As for old ephedra products, the shop business was the Wild West in those days. Half the **** was spoke with god knows what
I would agree with this...im an alcoholic with 20 years sobriety, it didn't happen 1st try...when I would be sober for months at a time my tolerance went way down when I had a relapse.Huh? Ex opiate users die when they try to use the same amount after being clean. Most of the time That's how they overdose.
Joke. Sad attempt to recreate something so wonderful. The alkaloids you want are in Bronkaid and Primatine, very simple to acquire. Only takes a few to ruin it for the whole...Ephedra was oneThere is some new form of ephedra going around in some pre workouts currently. How does that stuff stack up to the ephedra of old?
I'm not recommending falsehoods, I'm posting a published study that Priceplow.com has footnoted.yea, no, not 142mgs a serving, that's insane. You shouldn't recommend false hoods.
Could be wrong on that. Had one good friend who was an ex opiate abuser and that’s what he told me. Regardless my original point holds true. That the first high can never be duplicated. I think a lot of people were blown away their first DMAA dose and after years of use it doesn’t have the same wow factor even if you have taken a few years off.Huh? Ex opiate users die when they try to use the same amount after being clean. Most of the time That's how they overdose.
Good point. I have obtained a couple bottles of pure DMAA lately, so I can add to my current pwo drink, as needed.I don't buy the argument of desensitization. At all. Shame, because DMAA, back when it was referred to as geranimine, was just too good to be true. Insane sunshine through your spirit for about 6 straight hours.
As to the DMAA/DMHA debate, there is one HUGE difference... I get NO crash from DMHA, at all. Whatever comes up, must come down, and the DMAA crash for me was terrible, and if I used it too often, I became irritable as ****. It's too stressing on your dopamine system. DMHA in the long run is much better.
I wouldn't....srs. 99% is being made synthetically, the whole 1% occurs naturally is their argument that it exists in nature. They...or whoever they hire to make the extract is watering it down to the point where people are barely getting focus related effects. TOO MANY PEOPLE have been complaining about this for a few years now with Hi Tech's DMAA...it's no secret their pre's with DMAA don't hit hard at all, "maybe" Meso but even so, people were complaining that Meso doesn't feel the same.I’d be shocked if Hi-Tech is spending millions fighting the fda to not put the ingredient in their product...
I tried one tube of Mesomorph probably 2-3 years ago, and it just made me tired. I eventually just ended up tossing it out. I gave a buddy of mine a sample packet of Mesomorph this past spring. He was new to PWOs and had never touched any stims in his life except for coffee, much less anything with DMAA. He reported back to me that he felt absolutely no stimulation from it...no pump or endurance benefits either. I gave him a sample of RE1GN a few weeks ago and he texted me saying “What the hell was that liquid crack you gave me...I love it!” I sent him a link to a BOGO of that which I think he ordered..I wouldn't....srs. 99% is being made synthetically, the whole 1% occurs naturally is their argument that it exists in nature. They...or whoever they hire to make the extract is watering it down to the point where people are barely getting focus related effects. TOO MANY PEOPLE have been complaining about this for a few years now with Hi Tech's DMAA...it's no secret their pre's with DMAA don't hit hard at all, "maybe" Meso but even so, people were complaining that Meso doesn't feel the same.
Every single preworkout produced has been made with synthetic DMAAI wouldn't....srs. 99% is being made synthetically, the whole 1% occurs naturally is their argument that it exists in nature. They...or whoever they hire to make the extract is watering it down to the point where people are barely getting focus related effects. TOO MANY PEOPLE have been complaining about this for a few years now with Hi Tech's DMAA...it's no secret their pre's with DMAA don't hit hard at all, "maybe" Meso but even so, people were complaining that Meso doesn't feel the same.
This is true. There's no sweat shop in China with 12 year olds squeezing geranium stems.Every single preworkout produced has been made with synthetic DMAA
I’m sure. But like I said I have an original bottlle of PAs original amp and I honestly can’t tell a difference In the new stuffThis is true. There's no sweat shop in China with 12 year olds squeezing geranium stems.
But the raw suppliers have probably changed over the years from when DMAA was first brought to market by Patrick Arnold. It was probably produced here during that time period whereas it's all produced in China now. And with the whole fiasco of 1,3 and 1,4 being labeled as DMHA the bottom line is we probably have no clue what we're ingesting today.
Haha!This is true. There's no sweat shop in China with 12 year olds squeezing geranium stems.
maybe the og amp has deteriorated with age? just sayin....I’m sure. But like I said I have an original bottlle of PAs original amp and I honestly can’t tell a difference In the new stuff
^^^ This was exactly my experience and a few friends of mine who tried Re1gn. I haven't tried the older version of Meso, but just before DMAA got banned again, I got a tub along with Wicked. Tried both, and just got a little surge in workout and obviously these PWOs have nothing in the pump department. But, Re1gn is an awesome PWO.I tried one tube of Mesomorph probably 2-3 years ago, and it just made me tired. I eventually just ended up tossing it out. I gave a buddy of mine a sample packet of Mesomorph this past spring. He was new to PWOs and had never touched any stims in his life except for coffee, much less anything with DMAA. He reported back to me that he felt absolutely no stimulation from it...no pump or endurance benefits either. I gave him a sample of RE1GN a few weeks ago and he texted me saying “What the hell was that liquid crack you gave me...I love it!” I sent him a link to a BOGO of that which I think he ordered..
Possibly. But it’s been in a freezer and vaccume sealed. Doubt it degraded much. 2 caps is still all I need. 4 gives memaybe the og amp has deteriorated with age? just sayin....
I miss PA being around with all his innovations.OG amp was one of the best formulas ever. Man do I miss that ****. Perfect.
Today's ephemera extracts that are on the market do not contain ephedrine due to legal restrictions. Unfortunately it is definitely not the same stuff. There are a few OTC medications that contain ephedrine, but you have to ask the pharmacist because they're held behind the counter and require government issued identification and signature.There is some new form of ephedra going around in some pre workouts currently. How does that stuff stack up to the ephedra of old?