I have noticed this is not too often brought up on AM, anyone have any experience using this?
Interested in some first hand accounts of how it treated you.
Interested in some first hand accounts of how it treated you.
I think there can be issues with OTC supplements too. IIRC, you're not supposed to mix OL Ignit3 with St. Johns Wort.I've thought about giving it a try, as SSRI are often used for anxiety, and it seems I have much better days when I take anxiety medication the night before. But, I do not use it more than once a week usually and would like to feel my best all the time. Lol
It is advised to not combine St Johns Wort with any pharmaceutical medicines though.
This is the reason I have never taken it on a consistent basis, just periodically in the form of IGNIT3.I've thought about giving it a try, as SSRI are often used for anxiety, and it seems I have much better days when I take anxiety medication the night before. But, I do not use it more than once a week usually and would like to feel my best all the time. Lol
It is advised to not combine St Johns Wort with any pharmaceutical medicines though.
I think that’s because Ignite already has it in it if I remember correctly.I think there can be issues with OTC supplements too. IIRC, you're not supposed to mix OL Ignit3 with St. Johns Wort.
I’d like to give it a shot but need to see how and if it would effect the use of an Anticholinergic. I know people should also taper off of it as well when they decide to stop taking it.This is the reason I have never taken it on a consistent basis, just periodically in the form of IGNIT3.
Too many interactions with pharmaceuticals and who knows how many supplements that are influenced by the CYP3A4 liver enzyme.
You will have to report back with your thoughts!Interesting.. I bought a bottle anyway. I did want to give it a try as I see a lot of positive reviews towards it.
If you are concerned about a particular prescription interaction, I am sure you can find out if they are contraindicated online (you probably already know this).I’d like to give it a shot but need to see how and if it would effect the use of an Anticholinergic. I know people should also taper off of it as well when they decide to stop taking it.
My friends mom took it for a while but I think they found out she was having hormone issues and once they fixed that, she no longer needed it.
X2Would be interested to hear about your experience too if you decide to give it a shot..
Seeing as you've already bought it, what about a log?Interesting.. I bought a bottle anyway. I did want to give it a try as I see a lot of positive reviews towards it.
ill post some of my feedback in here..X2
Seeing as you've already bought it, what about a log?
Ah, I stand corrected! There was some warning with Ignit3 because of the SJW. Maybe it was to not take with certain meds, as others have mentioned.I think that’s because Ignite already has it in it if I remember correctly.
Its a MAOI. It can work, but there are medications that are more effective and safer to use.I have noticed this is not too often brought up on AM, anyone have any experience using this?
Interested in some first hand accounts of how it treated you.
Most “real” medication will take a few weeks as well. This is typically why you get put on a Benzo and SSRI at the same time, then slowly taper off of the Benzo once the SSRI begins to start working.Its a MAOI. It can work, but there are medications that are more effective and safer to use.
The side effects associated with any MAOI are present, and it takes at least 4 weeks for the effects to really kick in.
I'd recommend going to a doctor, and trying to reach your goals with real medication. It's not only more effective, but it might be cheaper as well (depending on insurance)
Of course they would. Real medications are the exact same thing as herbal medication, except herbals have unregulated dosages that vary from product to product and batch to batch. It's more effective to have a reliable dosage to work with so that you can adjust to an effective dosage.Most “real” medication will take a few weeks as well. This is typically why you get put on a Benzo and SSRI at the same time, then slowly taper off of the Benzo once the SSRI begins to start working.
I agree, I just didn’t want him to think that the pharmaceutical route would be a lot quicker.Of course they would. Real medications are the exact same thing as herbal medication, except herbals have unregulated dosages that vary from product to product and batch to batch. It's more effective to have a reliable dosage to work with so that you can adjust to an effective dosage.
Benzos can be a good Kickstart for anxiety treatment if someone is experiencing panic attacks, however they aren't optimal for general anxiety.
Go ahead and try it, at one cap even if a dose is two or three, to see how it treats you. If you are on any ssri/maoi scripts I would advise against it yet again I know a fe,ale that found the perfect combo with St John's wort and her bipolar med so all are different. Just do it on a day where you can possibly sit on the couch feeling weird as **** bc it can also interact with different otc supps as well. It's a touchy subject but I always say give it a try as you just never know. For ,e it was like sam-E, taken once and I feel great for a few days but if taken e be ryday it make nutty.Interesting.. I bought a bottle anyway. I did want to give it a try as I see a lot of positive reviews towards it.
" real medications are the exact same thing as herbal medications"- have to disagree big-time on this one sir. Herbal medications can be stopped much easier than prescription ones and prescription medications come with many many side effects that herbal medications most times do not have or are much less severe. I'm speaking from personal experience of course. Every antidepressant or related drug doctors have put me on have made me feel either extremely manic, suicidal, or one even had a very odd side effect that made me want to speak in rhymes constantly as if I was some kind of eloquent rapper. It was very odd. And when they took me off these meds there was a period of dullness where I felt like nothing mattered and an h-bomb could have been dropped on my town and I wouldn't have cared or noticed. I haven't ever experienced any of those type of side effects with herbal supplements and I have taken damn near everything that's out there. I have two very large medicine cabinets at my house one of which is an antique ice chest the other one the same size. So in my personal opinion I would have to say that RX brain medications are far more dangerous than an herbal alternative.Of course they would. Real medications are the exact same thing as herbal medication, except herbals have unregulated dosages that vary from product to product and batch to batch. It's more effective to have a reliable dosage to work with so that you can adjust to an effective dosage.
Benzos can be a good Kickstart for anxiety treatment if someone is experiencing panic attacks, however they aren't optimal for general anxiety.
This post about how most doctors will give out antidepressants and anxiolytics very easily was extremely contradictory to my experience. Doctors seem to give out antidepressants and things of that nature extremely* easily, but anxiolytics much much less. It's all about potential for abuse and them covering their ass. If they do give you an anxiolytic it is usually under dosed and possibly not a strong enough Med to begin with, I m p e.The only benefit to using sjw (over pharmaceuticals) that I can think of is convenience. Even then the convinience factor is minimal since doctors will normally prescribe an antidepressant or Anxiolytic with a single visit
Antidepressants are Anxiolytic, as well as antihistamines being Anxiolytic too. Doctors will not easily prescribe Benzos for general anxoety for a multitude of reasons. The main reason being the side effect profile vs the effects. The effects are overkill for most cases of general anxiety and the side effects can cost people their lives." real medications are the exact same thing as herbal medications"- have to disagree big-time on this one sir. Herbal medications can be stopped much easier than prescription ones and prescription medications come with many many side effects that herbal medications most times do not have or are much less severe. I'm speaking from personal experience of course. Every antidepressant or related drug doctors have put me on have made me feel either extremely manic, suicidal, or one even had a very odd side effect that made me want to speak in rhymes constantly as if I was some kind of eloquent rapper. It was very odd. And when they took me off these meds there was a period of dullness where I felt like nothing mattered and an h-bomb could have been dropped on my town and I wouldn't have cared or noticed. I haven't ever experienced any of those type of side effects with herbal supplements and I have taken damn near everything that's out there. I have two very large medicine cabinets at my house one of which is an antique ice chest the other one the same size. So in my personal opinion I would have to say that RX brain medications are far more dangerous than an herbal alternative.
This post about how most doctors will give out antidepressants and anxiolytics very easily was extremely contradictory to my experience. Doctors seem to give out antidepressants and things of that nature extremely* easily, but anxiolytics much much less. It's all about potential for abuse and them covering their ass. If they do give you an anxiolytic it is usually under dosed and possibly not a strong enough Med to begin with, I m p e.
Just my two cents as I feel that's what this post is all about, people sharing their experiences to help this man find peace in everyday life.
What? Not all antidepressants are anxiolytics. Benzos are great as needed for severe anxiety but there are many other safer long term routes.Antidepressants are Anxiolytic, as well as antihistamines being Anxiolytic too. Doctors will not easily prescribe Benzos for general anxoety for a multitude of reasons. The main reason being the side effect profile vs the effects. The effects are overkill for most cases of general anxiety and the side effects can cost people their lives.
It's not my opinion that herbals are the same as pharmaceuticals, it's fact. The difference is that pharmaceuticals are tightly regulated and pure, whereas herbals are not. There's no benefit to consuming a gram of excess plant matter. Hypercin is the active ingredient in Sjw, it has Maoi action. Maybe you tolerate MAOIs better than SSRIs. Maybe your doctor had you at too high of a dose of whatever you were taking.
I never claimed that all antidepressants are Anxiolytic. SSRIs just happen to be one type that people are familiar with.
As I said in an earlier post. Herbals work, but they are unregulated and much more difficult to properly dose.
I promote nothing but facts you repeatedly display a severe lack of knowledge in every area I've since you post in so far.Im not sure if you're promoting products or not, but you do promote a decent amount of misinformation.
Anxiety disorders are medical diagnoses the same way any physical diagnosis is. There's no reason to resort to an inferior product promoted by broscientists when someone can go to an actual doctor and get pharmaceutical grade drugs that are easily adjusted to proper doses. Drugs that don't have the excess garbage plant matter, that is not only unnecessary, but could contain compounds that are potentially taxing on the body.
The average person coming on a forum here isn't going to go to a foreign pharmacy for herbals. That's crazy.The herbals I listed are regulated and standardized. You seem unaware many herbs are approved as drugs in other countries and produced to pharmaceutical grade standards for herbal products.
You're an amazing idiot. The ones I listed are sold on iherb and nearly every health store in the US. Did you not bother to look up or google any of them? Seems like. Read alot more before you post. It's getting embarrassing to reply to you.The average person coming on a forum here isn't going to go to a foreign pharmacy for herbals. That's crazy.
Youre promoting toxins with a single positive research article in rats, and herbal medications over FDA tested and regulated drugs.I promote nothing but facts you repeatedly display a severe lack of knowledge in every area I've since you post in so far.
Most doctors are idiotic salesmen who have no interest in helping you, keep up with the latest in research, or are aware of all the options for a given health condition. I would not advise people to take their suggestions without reviewing it for themselves and deciding what's best.
Your arguments are feeble. They have no bite. It's very clear that you haven't worked in a lab based off your interpretation of research papers, and no i didnt bother looking at the products youre pushing on people because the united states doesn't regulate supplements or herbals. They can sell you anything. I know the laws, so whatever you think they're selling you is bs.You're an amazing idiot. The ones I listed are sold on iherb and nearly every health store in the US. Did you not bother to look up or google any of them? Seems like. Read alot more before you post. It's getting embarrassing to reply to you.
You have no idea how to read research and some herbal medications are safer and more effective than FDA approved drugs. That's just a fact.Youre promoting toxins with a single positive research article in rats, and herbal medications over FDA tested and regulated drugs.
It's reckless.
The FDA regulates dietary supplements and herbs. Many are 3rd party lab tested. Others are approved medications from other countries. As long as you get a brand that follows GMP you are getting a guaranteed dose every time.Your arguments are feeble. They have no bite. It's very clear that you haven't worked in a lab based off your interpretation of research papers, and no i didnt bother looking at the products youre pushing on people because the united states doesn't regulate supplements or herbals. They can sell you anything. I know the laws, so whatever you think they're selling you is bs.
If you're going to bash every supplement because "the united states doesn't regulate supplements or herbals" then you're on the wrong forum my friend. Better to just gracefully leave now and go find somewhere else to troll because this is a SUPPLEMENT FORUM.Your arguments are feeble. They have no bite. It's very clear that you haven't worked in a lab based off your interpretation of research papers, and no i didnt bother looking at the products youre pushing on people because the united states doesn't regulate supplements or herbals. They can sell you anything. I know the laws, so whatever you think they're selling you is bs.
I've always been meaning to try it. Which brand are you using?drama aside have been using the SJW for a couple days now. Very interesting in regards to the effects. Kind of puts me in a blah mood.. almost like I don't have emotions either positive or negative.
Surely you are aware that many pharmaceuticals are toxic and have multiple side effects. Then you get prescribed more pharmaceuticals to counteract those side effects. It’s a beautiful thing!Youre promoting toxins with a single positive research article in rats, and herbal medications over FDA tested and regulated drugs.
It's reckless.
I've always been meaning to try it. Which brand are you using?
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my research has indicated to me that when selecting a brand of sjw you want one with something similar to this:
"MORE POTENT FOR BETTER MOOD SUPPORT: Our St. John's wort supplement is standardized to .3% hypericin, giving you more of the active natural chemical that gives the herb its mental health benefits.:
Yes, that is the same for my wife as I had posted earlier. There is no doubt an acute effect and it is definitely not placebo.I think its interesting people are saying this stuff takes weeks to feel.
I definitely noticed something upon my first dose.
Very subtle, but there for sure.
Isn't St John's Wort supposed to make you feel better??drama aside have been using the SJW for a couple days now. Very interesting in regards to the effects. Kind of puts me in a blah mood.. almost like I don't have any emotionseither positive or negative.
I think its interesting people are saying this stuff takes weeks to feel.
I definitely noticed something upon my first dose.
Very subtle, but there for sure.
What are the actual mood boosting effects like?Yes, that is the same for my wife as I had posted earlier. There is no doubt an acute effect and it is definitely not placebo.
Well if your feeling anxiety blah would be better.Isn't St John's Wort supposed to make you feel better??
It's not a zombie like effect, it just makes things a little "flat" if that makes sense. So if you have anxiety or nervousness, this helps take that away. This is in part why we don't use it all the time in our house. You want emotions and highs/lows, but it is good to be able to contain that when necessary and SJW is a pretty effective way to do so.Isn't St John's Wort supposed to make you feel better??
What are the actual mood boosting effects like?
The toxins he's promoting are in a different thread. My bad for the overspill.Surely you are aware that many pharmaceuticals are toxic and have multiple side effects. Then you get prescribed more pharmaceuticals to counteract those side effects. It’s a beautiful thing!
There are plenty of supplements that have their niche. What we are discussing here are drugs. Sjw derived Hypercin vs other Anxiolytic/antidepressantsIf you're going to bash every supplement because "the united states doesn't regulate supplements or herbals" then you're on the wrong forum my friend. Better to just gracefully leave now and go find somewhere else to troll because this is a SUPPLEMENT FORUM.
Go away redman24There are plenty of supplements that have their niche. What we are discussing here are drugs. Sjw derived Hypercin vs other Anxiolytic/antidepressants
Why would I belong to a forum if I was against supplements?
Im not even really bashing the sjw. There are just better options, and I'm trying to communicate the fact that sjw is just an unregulated drug. If you don't have insurance then why not go for the sjw? But if you do, why not save money and get the pure, regulated stuff?
I'd say the same thing about any supplement, however there are areas where herbals have superiority. Mucuna pureins are an example. If you are trying to prevent prolactin it makes complete sense to take them since a doctors prescription to a dopamine agonist would require a blood test, high prolactin and possibly even an MRI to scan for prolactinoma.
Sjw is not one of these examples. It's cheap and easy to get a superior product from the doctor.
Toxicity and side effects aside, I think there is certainly a place for natural alternatives as well as pharmaceutical options. Side effects can occur with both choices, no doubt..The toxins he's promoting are in a different thread. My bad for the overspill.
Herbals and pharmaceuticals are still the same thing. If you have a side effect with a pharmaceutical you will have similar side effects with an herbal medication in the same class of drugs.
It's just the nature of the active compounds. St. John's wort is an MAOI, it will have all the same effects as ANY other MAOI. There's nothing magical about the fact that it's "natural" It's just more expensive and impossible to know exactly how much you're getting.
Not to mention the fact that MAOIs are regarded as having a harsher side effect profile than SSRIs and other Anxiolytics such as Buspar.
Sjw may work for you and thats great. I just don't see why you wouldn't go to the doctor and ask for an MAOI, let your insurance cover it, and have an exact dose that you can manipulate.
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