Response to the FDA's recent statements on Kratom

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  1. Response to the FDA's recent statements on Kratom


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  2. If its going to be marketed for "medical issues" then it should certainly be regulated ..no much potential for abuse

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    If its going to be marketed for "medical issues" then it should certainly be regulated ..no much potential for abuse
    How something is marketed by 1 or any given company should not determine the class it is. If the FDA/DEA regulate it it's going to be schedule 1 so no one has access to it and that would hurt and end up killing many Americans using it currently. Not a smart plan to take a segment of people who taking it for suffering since nothing else works and tell them their going to jail now where they won't get any help.

    As far as potential for abuse cite the human studies that show this is a concern and how much of a concern over coffee or tobacco.
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  4. Their whole statement is an egregious affront to science, logic, and honesty. I️ commend you for even being able to read through it enough times to respond to it.

    To quote Cesare Beccaria:
    False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it
    Of course, we know that it’s not any real issues, or even an “inconvenience” that is leading the FDA to act in the way they are, but their own best interests.
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  5. So put yourself in this position. You're in severe pain can't use or don't want to use opiates. You've tried all the FDA meds and nothing works. You try kratom and your feeling like yourself for the first time in years. Been taking it for years and your life is drastically better it's how you were able to function and survive. Now the FDA says they don't think you know what's best for you and wants to take away the one thing that has helped you live and function. What do you tell those people? Suffer and die? That is what the FDA is doing.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by NeuroTropic View Post
    So put yourself in this position. You're in severe pain can't use or don't want to use opiates. You've tried all the FDA meds and nothing works. You try kratom and your feeling like yourself for the first time in years. Been taking it for years and your life is drastically better it's how you were able to function and survive. Now the FDA says they don't think you know what's best for you and wants to take away the one thing that has helped you live and function. What do you tell those people? Suffer and die? That is what the FDA is doing.
    The most insane thing, when you really take the time to think about it, is that the government is supposed to serve the people. The current situation is the government serving itself. Yes, they are serving the pharmaceutical/drug industry in a way, but they aren’t doing it to be nice to pharma, but because it is in their (the FDA’s) best interest to do so, as they (the government officials) are undoubtedly getting something (money) in return for their service to the industry. The people who elected them, who it is supposed to be their job to serve? They say, or, more importantly, act, in a way that says “screw them,” they aren’t giving us as much in return as the industry is. The unfortunate thing is that we all too often fall for fear-mongering, and agree to give up basic freedoms for a false sense of security; liberty for the pretense of security.
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  7. Uggh....just the latest example of their ongoing hipocracy and self indulgence...

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Ricky10 View Post
    Uggh....just the latest example of their ongoing hipocracy and self indulgence...
    I was hoping as a society we would move past criminalizing people solely for their medical or health choices that only effect them. We have a long way to go.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by NeuroTropic View Post
    I was hoping as a society we would move past criminalizing people solely for their medical or health choices that only effect them. We have a long way to go.
    The bullying and impingement of civilian rights will continue for as long as the FDA is allowed to operate as the corrupt institution that it is. Unfortunately, I don't see it ever changing and it will probably just get worse.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    The most insane thing, when you really take the time to think about it, is that the government is supposed to serve the people. The current situation is the government serving itself. Yes, they are serving the pharmaceutical/drug industry in a way, but they aren’t doing it to be nice to pharma, but because it is in their (the FDA’s) best interest to do so, as they (the government officials) are undoubtedly getting something (money) in return for their service to the industry. The people who elected them, who it is supposed to be their job to serve? They say, or, more importantly, act, in a way that says “screw them,” they aren’t giving us as much in return as the industry is. The unfortunate thing is that we all too often fall for fear-mongering, and agree to give up basic freedoms for a false sense of security; liberty for the pretense of security.
    The president went with the wrong choice for FDA commissioner. We had a shot of someone who would have kept thing less regulated and drastically has reduced costs for health care. But we don't care about making medical needs cheaper for sick people.
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  11. So what does this mean for Kratom?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Ape McGrapes View Post
    So what does this mean for Kratom?
    They are pretty much announcing they are increasing their ban on any kratom coming in, view Kratom as something that needs to be controlled, and believe it being available will make the opiate crisis worse so expect a DEA schedule of 1 soon. I don't see how kratom will stay around without massive organization from users. So get ready to order it from the darknet and learn to use cryto-currencies.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by NeuroTropic View Post
    They are pretty much announcing they are increasing their ban on any kratom coming in, view Kratom as something that needs to be controlled, and believe it being available will make the opiate crisis worse so expect a DEA schedule of 1 soon. I don't see how kratom will stay around without massive organization from users. So get ready to order it from the darknet and learn to use cryto-currencies.
    Seems like to much of a hassle for just kratom. Especially with weed being decriminalized and even legal(depending on location). Weed offers more pain relief by far and does not make me nauseated like kratom does. Not to mention way more fun

  14. Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    Seems like to much of a hassle for just kratom. Especially with weed being decriminalized and even legal(depending on location). Weed offers more pain relief by far does make me nauseated like kratom does. Not to mention way more fun
    It's already scheduled in several states but this would effectively shut down all sales in the US to the darknets. To each their own but for people who it helps it should be made available or at the very least a safe alternative.
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  15. this is terrible

  16. from reddit

    Let’s talk about the timing on this. The Administration announces a war on opioids. Glaxo Smith Kline owns the patent on the crystallized (manipulated) version of Mitragyna Speciosa. In this patent, it fully describes their scientific testing which shows minimal side effects. In fact Glaxo Smith Kline describes it as being harmless compared to many controlled substances. Now let’s look at the FDA Head, Dr. Scott Gottlieb. Prior to his assignment at the FDA, he sat on several big Pharma boards INCLUDING Glaxo Smith Kline. He is also a member of GSKs “New Product Investment Board”. Americans aren’t dumb. When you look at this in totality, Dr. Gottlieb knows that Kratom isn’t dangerous, he’s seen this GSK patent, so everyone do the math. This is perfect timing for GSK to release their crystallized version of Kratom as a controlled substance and charge hundreds of dollars for a bottle of crystallized Kratom capsules. And look at who is going to benefit from a ban on raw leaf Kratom. The one and only Glaxo Smith Kline AND Dr. Scott Gottlieb.
    https://www.google.com/patents/US3256149

  17. Quote Originally Posted by NeuroTropic View Post
    It's already scheduled in several states but this would effectively shut down all sales in the US to the darknets. To each their own but for people who it helps it should be made available or at the very least a safe alternative.
    Oh I definitely agree. I'm just saying if it does become schedule 1 why bother? With weed offering a lot of the same benefits and stronger in nearly every aspect, with weed being decriminalized as well. Now kratom should never become illegal, just the fda standard bullsh!t.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by rowz4broz View Post
    from reddit

    Let’s talk about the timing on this. The Administration announces a war on opioids. Glaxo Smith Kline owns the patent on the crystallized (manipulated) version of Mitragyna Speciosa. In this patent, it fully describes their scientific testing which shows minimal side effects. In fact Glaxo Smith Kline describes it as being harmless compared to many controlled substances. Now let’s look at the FDA Head, Dr. Scott Gottlieb. Prior to his assignment at the FDA, he sat on several big Pharma boards INCLUDING Glaxo Smith Kline. He is also a member of GSKs “New Product Investment Board”. Americans aren’t dumb. When you look at this in totality, Dr. Gottlieb knows that Kratom isn’t dangerous, he’s seen this GSK patent, so everyone do the math. This is perfect timing for GSK to release their crystallized version of Kratom as a controlled substance and charge hundreds of dollars for a bottle of crystallized Kratom capsules. And look at who is going to benefit from a ban on raw leaf Kratom. The one and only Glaxo Smith Kline AND Dr. Scott Gottlieb.
    https://www.google.com/patents/US3256149
    good post...really highlights the hypocrisy!!!
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    Oh I definitely agree. I'm just saying if it does become schedule 1 why bother? With weed offering a lot of the same benefits and stronger in nearly every aspect,
    Cannabis doesn't work for everyone it's why some people need kratom.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    Seems like to much of a hassle for just kratom. Especially with weed being decriminalized and even legal(depending on location). Weed offers more pain relief by far and does not make me nauseated like kratom does. Not to mention way more fun
    I️ strongly disagree.

    Kratom over cannabis in all areas you listed (for me).

  21. Quote Originally Posted by NeuroTropic View Post
    Cannabis doesn't work for everyone it's why some people need kratom.
    Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    I️ strongly disagree.

    Kratom over cannabis in all areas you listed (for me).
    It's definitely very individualistic

  22. Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    It's definitely very individualistic
    Both the opioid and cannabinoid receptors are involved with pain. Opioids may be better at some types of pain than others. But the underlying thing is we should act together to ensure we have access to anything that may improve our health or lives. Regardless if it effects you directly. We should have access to any chemicals we need to live or function at our best.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by NeuroTropic View Post
    Both the opioid and cannabinoid receptors are involved with pain. Opioids may be better at some types of pain than others. But the underlying thing is we should act together to ensure we have access to anything that may improve our health or lives. Regardless if it effects you directly. We should have access to any chemicals we need to live or function at our best.
    As a cannabis and kratom consumer I agree and I also agree that they do not have the same effects, so it's not a this or that conversation. It is a "leave us the hell alone" conversation.

  24. So stock up?

  25. So when are we thinking this will happen?
    Damn, now I have to think about stocking up on Dream-N-Grow, and some Maeng Da. I don't have the money for this right now!
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