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  1. Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    Honestly there is sh!t tons of studies on meth showing low doses is VERY safe. It may actually be neuroproctive
    If you have any off hand feel free to share so that I can be lazy
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  2. Problem is street meth is not methamphetamine. It is an analogue that is WAY stronger and dangerous. However, it is referred to as meth as if it is the same thing, but it's not
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    If you have any off hand feel free to share so that I can be lazy
    I've already posted 2 but here is a third.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25724762/

  4. I have absolutely no idea what I just read

  5. One I saw...rat study...I want human studies lol. This is the gold standard and helps prevent a lot of false conclusions. Rat studies can be used to give us an idea on the viability to a human study, but can and should not be used to draw definitive conclusions especially in the presence of human studies.

    The one you posted was in the context of stroke and Traumatic brain injury.... and I quote

    " it appears that methamphetamine under certain circumstances and correct dosing can produce a neuroprotective effect. This review addresses the neuroprotective potential of methamphetamine and focuses on the potential beneficial application for TBI."

    This physiology of why its beneficial in this circumstance can be the very reason in a healthy individual its dangerous.
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  6. Im currently making my way through this:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4164186/

    This is an update in 2014 on methamphetamine.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    One I saw...rat study...I want human studies lol. This is the gold standard and helps prevent a lot of false conclusions. Rat studies can be used to give us an idea on the viability to a human study, but can and should not be used to draw definitive conclusions especially in the presence of human studies.

    The one you posted was in the context of stroke and Traumatic brain injury.... and I quote

    " it appears that methamphetamine under certain circumstances and correct dosing can produce a neuroprotective effect. This review addresses the neuroprotective potential of methamphetamine and focuses on the potential beneficial application for TBI."

    This physiology of why its beneficial in this circumstance can be the very reason in a healthy individual its dangerous.
    Definitely. I'll dig later to find more relevant studies. I'm running on 3 hours of sleep and have report to turn in soon, so I don't have the time.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    Definitely. I'll dig later to find more relevant studies. I'm running on 3 hours of sleep and have report to turn in soon, so I don't have the time.
    Get some sleep!! I'll keep digging in my off time.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    I don't have a horse in this race other then some a shared distaste for pseudoscience or un-supported claims. Given this is a thread about delineating fact from fiction I want to address the above comment.

    Retained water has more to due with electrolyte, hydration status, and carbs then immediate cortisol spike. Cortisol does not affect IMMEDIATE sub q water. It takes time. Furthermore water retention in the body has more to do with mineralocorticoids then glucorticoids. Cortisol is a glucocorticoid. If you were saying aldosterone that would be another story.

    Furthermore caffeine is a supported ergogenic aid, this is not for debate the research supports an increase in performance with supplementation despite its effects on cortisol. Furthermore caffeine is a diuretic, and so are many stimulants....plugging holes in the idea of immediate water retention due to stims like high caffeine pre workouts.

    Cortisols main effects in the body include but are not limited to:
    - increased amino acid uptake in liver
    - increased gluconeogenesis in liver
    - protein synthesis in muscle as well as decrease amino acid uptake
    - general catabolic effects exerted through primarily the aforementioned cecrease in MPS
    - mobilization of serum lipids
    - etc

    In the setting of a workout, cortisol would increase muscle damage...this is beneficial in the setting of an ACUTE workout/stress situation. Problems occur when cortisol is chronically elevated.

    Though you may make a point and state that decrease in MPS is bad, i would disagree. I want my muscle to be torn down during exercise. I want a decrease in MPS and amino acid uptake during my lift. AFTER my lift I want to reverse this process. I want a healthy amount of damage to my muscle, this is how I/we progress.

    You have made some good points in this thread but you I would argue have flaws in your reasoning on certain issues.
    Quote Originally Posted by rtmilburn View Post
    Definitely. I'll dig later to find more relevant studies. I'm running on 3 hours of sleep and have report to turn in soon, so I don't have the time.
    Ummmm...maybe you need some meth so that you can keep studying?

  10. Awww yeah N,alpha-diethylphenylethylamine is making a comeback

  11. Quote Originally Posted by USPlabsRep View Post
    google fluffy cat and bench press

    what's so hard to understand about it?
    i like fluffy cats, even more so when they can BP
    nah this is what i am refering to for example
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2257922/
    there are much more studies.

  12. Superhuman Radio has had two interviews in the recent past, on micro dosed LSD. They were very interesting.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by ManuR View Post
    i like fluffy cats, even more so when they can BP
    nah this is what i am refering to for example
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2257922/
    there are much more studies.
    Its really not a bad thing like is being made out to be
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  14. Call me crazy but... I still think I will take my chances on a supplement company's stimulated preworkout over what my local crack dealer has to offer.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Woody View Post
    Call me crazy but... I still think I will take my chances on a supplement company's stimulated preworkout over what my local crack dealer has to offer.
    Tested and reliable**** company

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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Woody View Post
    Call me crazy but... I still think I will take my chances on a supplement company's stimulated preworkout over what my local crack dealer has to offer.
    But OL is the devil, and so you sir are a minion of evil.

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  17. Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    Tested and reliable**** company

    Not all companies are created equal

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  18. Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    However to the original point I wanted to make....

    Comparing adderall, dexedrine, or desoxyn to OTC, nonregulated, with sometimes no in-vivo human clincal trials is like comparing KSM-66 or LJ100(even though both have human clincal data) to test cypionate. They aren't even in the same league.

    It's not fair or prudent to compare a pharma grade stimulant with known side effecst profile which has been studied extensively to some of the newer stems that for the most part lack the data or standardization in production.

    Here is another one...its like trying to compare ground chicken to dry aged ribeye steak.

    Now when your talking caffeine and alpha-gpc and how you prefer them to these newer agents, great. But seriously....its a no brainer why you prefer pharma speed vs Eria or DHMA. But lets be honest....that isnt very accessable legally and the others are.
    i was saying that i find the stims used in preworkouts these days feel very dirty compared to LOW dose medical methamphetamine or dexedrine. im talking max. 10mg d-METHamphetamine, street users will use 100mg at once, sometimes more, some a gram or more per day.
    its just that some years back the stims in pres were quitee pleasant but for me they feel dirtier and worse over time and feel like bad street drugs actually compared to the medical version of some street drugs in doses prescribed for clinical conditions.

    using a full serving of one the current hardcore pres makes me feel horrible, just paranoid, heart racing, no endurance.
    i cant wait till in some weeks time i will be using 400mg purenergy+200mg caffeine anhydrous (372mg caffeine+228mg pteropure), 1.5g arginocarn, 300mg alpha-gpc as the basis of my pre. also 1mg methylfolate and 1mg methylcobalamine. this will just feel comfortable while not killing endurance or causing paranoia, in fact it should increase endurance and cognition quite a bit and improve mood (methylfolate is too low in 70% of people with depression, making them unable to resond to reuptake inhibitors aka ssri ssnri dnri)

    that itself would already beat most combinations, now adding things like creatinol-o-phosphate,l-carnitine fumarate, amentoflavone (for me it works great), creatine-pyruvate, orotic acid, ubiquinol, shilajit....

    well you could add a million things or just a few. i think compounds that really increase strenght and compounds for mitochondrial energy are best. i prefer breaking prs every workout to getting a huge pump.

    so all i can think of is c-o-p as for me it increases strength, not so much endurance, amento, maybe calcium-orotate to get calcium and orotic acid, i havent found the ratios yet (i mean how many percent is calcium and how many orotic acid by weight). ubiquinol+shilajit and creatine-pyruvate (only form of creatine i respond to.

    i have a tendency to write too much, but for me its not hard to get all the ingredients as i get most from 2 formulas. in the end i have
    372mg caffeine
    228mg pteropure (from 400mg purenergy)
    300mg alpha-gpc
    1.5g arginocarn
    1mg m-folate
    1mg m-cobalamine

    c-o-p
    amento
    calcium
    orotic acid
    creatine
    pyruvic acid (neither creatine works for me, nor does pyruvate do much as far as i know but the combination as creatine-pyruvate works great)
    ubiquinol
    shilajit

    i doubt any stimmed pre on the market will yield results comparable after 1 month use. especially since instead of taxing the cns this combination is incredibly healthy. i realize it would be near impossible to buy every compound alone but the basis is simple and cheap for me and a lot of things are add- ons which i may or may not take.

    as strength is most important to me c-o-p and amento would be the two compunds i would not go without if i could only chose two. i think the basis with the huge amount of pteeropure from purenergy, the arginocarn and the active b vitamins will give plenty of endurance, especially mentally and energy that lasts for a long workout and is strong but not uncomfortable.
    one may disagree but i dont think any pre on the market right now would be able to surpass this if you look at the results after 2-4 weeks. not one single workout, as stims will give some extra strenght but only for one workout, then you need to take them again to keep that strength.
    this combination here will get better ever time you use it. that is what i am convinced of and if someone thinks he knows of a better combination which does not include buying 3 expensive formulas or 10 singlee ingrdients added to a stimmed pre combined with a pump pre but something that is in the range of affordability please let me know and tell me why you think so.

    genuinely interested.

  19. COP and Amentoflavone have either very little data (COP, and it was injected into heart tissue IIRC, then there's the 1 or 2 Italian papers that no one can read, from almost 40 years ago), or data that suggests it does nothing (Amentoflavone using BCS and CACO-2 data). So as to avoid lengthy back and forth posts - are there any links to unbias RCTs showing benefit of either, when swallowed by athletes vs a placebo control?

  20. as for microtraumata the optimal way of training for hypertrophy is proven and all systems are nonsense, yet people still believe in them.
    the muscle conditions to the maximum weight used. if you do, at the most, 3 workouts in which you do just one single max rep of bench you have basically ****ed yourself in terms of growth because the only thing that will now cause traumata is heavier benching.
    its because the muscle responds to mechanical tension by building a protective layer which can only be broken by load. no different angle, intensity techniques, volume, mtut, whatever does anything but increase glycogen in aas users.
    the only effective part of ones training to build strucutral protein is the heaviest exercise. once you have benched 300 pounds just 2-3 times, you can not go back to benching 280, even if you do 10 sets and another 4 exercises with every intensity technique in the world. you are doing hardcore cardio. nothing traumatizes muscle tissue other than increased mechanical load. 100lbs dumbells on incline do nothing if you have benched 300 pounds before. this is your level of conditioning. hence why doing several exercises makes no sense, changing the weight and reps makes no sense, and most of all training a mucle less than every 48 hours makes no sense either. MPS is elevated for 36 hours or so, after that you waste growth potential. doms is irrelevant. recovery relates to the cns. muscles need about 9 hours to recover metabolically to perform at their best again. the necessary condition is to never ever to to muscle failure. once you increase work capacity muscles start to recover and grow while you train. some people have taken this principle so far that they did a cluster (a partial set with a weight above the level of conditioning) in their homegym every 10 min.
    they trained every day all day. gains were like what you normally gain in a year but in 2 weeks.

    it all sounds really strange but its a system and its the perfect system, called cluster-hst. the only flaw is people ****ing it up.
    -full body workouts 3-12 times a week. only one compound movement per muscle (rows, and pullups are a different thing, but bench an incline bench target the same muscle)
    -take a weight that is as heavy as the heaviest you are currently lifting. say you bench 280 for 10 reps. do as many sets of 5 reps as possible with 1-2 min. breaks. you manage 10 sets but probably not. once you have reached 10 sets up the weight by at least 10 pounds and do as many sets of 5 as possible. some may manage 5 and some may manage 8. try to keep the total reps above thirty but dont go over fifity (doing 100 reps is one factor why people failed with this system)
    -you dont have to do sets of 5. you can do some of 7, lots of singles, a few sets of 3, it is irrelevant. the number is just a guideline to make it easy.
    the reason why it doesnt matter is that when breaking your barrier of conditioning ever rep you do causes microtraumata. no need to push yourself to exhaustion when rep 1 does the same as rep 10. there is no difference mechanicall (metabolic pathway is coming).

    you will be training more frequently, with much higher volume regarding effective repetitions (its easy to do 50 reps with your 5 rm once you have done it for a bit, doing 6 workouts weekly thats 300 reps. no oter system allows you to do 300 effective traumatizing reps per week). you will always have elevated MPS. your bmr will go crazy. you will gain strength like never before.

    all you need is one good full body workout. you can do 2 alternating ones if the exercises are very different.

    example 1: deadlift, dips (deep stretch, chest exercise), chin- or pullups
    example 2: squats, bench, some kind of rows

    if you chose alternating plans i suggest 6 workouts a week. if you combine them then eod should do.

    weaknesses: arms should grow like mad on this. should they not then choose 1 exercise for biceps and one for triceps. the best are incline dumbell curls and incline triceps behin the head (no idea what its callled. the relevant thing is stretch. get as much stretch as possible util you can feel your muscles nearly ripping apart.

    all other muscle groups should not need isolation exercises.

    metabolic pathway. isos for muscles if you want. 1 set per muscle the opposite of the extreme stretch. limited range like concentration curl, 10 second positive, drop the weight (0 sec. negative), 10 sec positive. you may be able to do 3 reps with 20 pounds. no pro bb workout plan will cause the pain of cutting the blood flow. it is basically like tying up your muscle so no blood circulation takes place. after it will be flooded with blood and the pump surpasses anything experienced and is all that may be needed for the metabolic pathway as the sheer volume one does is impossible not to trigger metabolic responses...lol

    reasons people fail: daily full body with 100 reps per day
    doing 100 singles with their 2 rep max.
    doing 100 reps with 150% of their 1rm doing negatives with a partner.
    (muscle faliure. this is striclty prohibited and ruins everything but some may not understand this. you can train 500 reps a day witout failure and your cns will be fine. one attempt at a powerlifting pr failed and your ****ed. cns recovery is the limiting factor, muscles learn to reover while being trained, as shown by people who do a set ever 10 min., except for while sleeping. the results are insane and nobody ever felt burnt out)

    to sum it up in one sentence: if your muscle is resistent to 300 pounds, how can 200 pounds have an effect even when you do 20 sets of chest with 5 intensity techniques? (the answer is obvious but i will repeat once more. mechanical tension is all that matters and once conditioned only more weight can break this conditioning, no system, nothing, just more weight. cluster hst allows this combined with volume, frequency and no cns burnout.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by The_Old_Guy View Post
    COP and Amentoflavone have either very little data (COP, and it was injected into heart tissue IIRC, then there's the 1 or 2 Italian papers that no one can read, from almost 40 years ago), or data that suggests it does nothing (Amentoflavone using BCS and CACO-2 data). So as to avoid lengthy back and forth posts - are there any links to unbias RCTs showing benefit of either, when swallowed by athletes vs a placebo control?
    you know, my own supplementation i go by feel. i expect things to do nothing. creatine for me does not increase strength by a single rep ever in its normal form. c-o-p, the first time ingested i broke a record on an exercise i had been stuck for months (normally i break every pr every workout, but pullups around 120lbs or so became a very slow process). instead of 4 reps or failing pathetically on the 5th i did 5 nice reps. i just knew that it wasnt coincidence. also i got strenght everywhere which was beyond normal progression. but amento for me is insane. i dosed it up to 240mg though. within 3 workouts i went from 265lbs dual plate loaded shoulder press to 400 pounds. (thats in around a week at my training frequency) within a month or so i did 490 (those machines are about 60% of whats realistic weight for whatever reason)
    also there are several dual plate loaded machines for back, like rowing and lat pulldown. i can just say my strength went up a lot. i cant give you numbers but on one machine i needed to tie about 450 pounds on it or so as the fully loaded machine i would do cardio with.
    at the time i was actually on very low dose aas, and a low bodyweight for me so the sudden increase came as a real surprise.

    i can't say they are the best compounds for everyone but for me nothing beats strength in comparison. forgetting amento preworkout would make me lose reps going from 8 to 5, while normally i would have managed 9 or 10.

    i am quite well known on german forums so once i offered 5 people to try my own mix of preworkout ingredients. i spent 10 euros per serving plus shipping, so maybe 70 euros, justt so i could show them whats possible. the responses were absolutely insane. i gave some to a guy at my gym and he went all nuts over it and wanted to know everything, said he never had such strength, insane pump, euphoria, he cant ever train without it ...lol

    so maybe not everyone responded to amento, i dont now. but ubiquinol+shilajit will beat any endurance supp on the market. people just dont try as they think its for old people and anti aging or something.

    most other ingredients i mentioned are the best of the best there is, purenergy at 400mg, arginocarn, 1mg (1000mcg) methylfolate,
    adding alpha-gpc and various other things (people are free to use pump supps but they really dont increase performance like mitochondrial energy increasing products).
    creatine-pyruvate
    calcium-orotate
    (would add l-carnitine-fumarate for sure if there wasnt arginocarn but maybe stacking would work well. fumaric acid makes a huge difference to tartaric acd. for me plcar is okay, lc-fumarate is great. lclt is nothing and alcar or arginocarn are mostly good for a long term effect on the brain but some will get great focus and im sure there is also some endurance benefit. coupled with pterostilbene at 228mg and pyruvic acid and orotic acid there will be such an insane increase in mitochondrial energy, a first working set will feel like a warm up. i remember how crazy my training and shape was at tha time...)

    i cant wait to get most of these things together as they make a huge difference for me, mor than just adding more gear as its a completely different approach to performance.

    i was only posting what has worked best for me. i definitely dont want a company releasing a pre with all this.

    to the companies: its all crap, dont use any of tha ****. nobody will buy it. leave it for idiots like me please

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    But OL is the devil, and so you sir are a minion of evil.

    #banStimulants #caffeineONLY #myokem4life
    Okay you caught me! I was only suggesting to stay away from cocaine and meth because drugs makes your soul taste foul and druggies really stink up Hell when they burn.

    I would have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for that meddling @Jiigzz and his pesky dog!
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Woody View Post
    Okay you caught me! I was only suggesting to stay away from cocaine and meth because drugs makes your soul taste foul and druggies really stink up Hell when they burn.

    I would have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for that meddling @Jiigzz and his pesky dog!
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by redman24 View Post
    as for microtraumata the optimal way of training for hypertrophy is proven and all systems are nonsense, yet people still believe in them.
    the muscle conditions to the maximum weight used. if you do, at the most, 3 workouts in which you do just one single max rep of bench you have basically ****ed yourself in terms of growth because the only thing that will now cause traumata is heavier benching.
    its because the muscle responds to mechanical tension by building a protective layer which can only be broken by load. no different angle, intensity techniques, volume, mtut, whatever does anything but increase glycogen in aas users.
    the only effective part of ones training to build strucutral protein is the heaviest exercise. once you have benched 300 pounds just 2-3 times, you can not go back to benching 280, even if you do 10 sets and another 4 exercises with every intensity technique in the world. you are doing hardcore cardio. nothing traumatizes muscle tissue other than increased mechanical load. 100lbs dumbells on incline do nothing if you have benched 300 pounds before. this is your level of conditioning. hence why doing several exercises makes no sense, changing the weight and reps makes no sense, and most of all training a mucle less than every 48 hours makes no sense either. MPS is elevated for 36 hours or so, after that you waste growth potential. doms is irrelevant. recovery relates to the cns. muscles need about 9 hours to recover metabolically to perform at their best again. the necessary condition is to never ever to to muscle failure. once you increase work capacity muscles start to recover and grow while you train. some people have taken this principle so far that they did a cluster (a partial set with a weight above the level of conditioning) in their homegym every 10 min.
    they trained every day all day. gains were like what you normally gain in a year but in 2 weeks.

    it all sounds really strange but its a system and its the perfect system, called cluster-hst. the only flaw is people ****ing it up.
    -full body workouts 3-12 times a week. only one compound movement per muscle (rows, and pullups are a different thing, but bench an incline bench target the same muscle)
    -take a weight that is as heavy as the heaviest you are currently lifting. say you bench 280 for 10 reps. do as many sets of 5 reps as possible with 1-2 min. breaks. you manage 10 sets but probably not. once you have reached 10 sets up the weight by at least 10 pounds and do as many sets of 5 as possible. some may manage 5 and some may manage 8. try to keep the total reps above thirty but dont go over fifity (doing 100 reps is one factor why people failed with this system)
    -you dont have to do sets of 5. you can do some of 7, lots of singles, a few sets of 3, it is irrelevant. the number is just a guideline to make it easy.
    the reason why it doesnt matter is that when breaking your barrier of conditioning ever rep you do causes microtraumata. no need to push yourself to exhaustion when rep 1 does the same as rep 10. there is no difference mechanicall (metabolic pathway is coming).

    you will be training more frequently, with much higher volume regarding effective repetitions (its easy to do 50 reps with your 5 rm once you have done it for a bit, doing 6 workouts weekly thats 300 reps. no oter system allows you to do 300 effective traumatizing reps per week). you will always have elevated MPS. your bmr will go crazy. you will gain strength like never before.

    all you need is one good full body workout. you can do 2 alternating ones if the exercises are very different.

    example 1: deadlift, dips (deep stretch, chest exercise), chin- or pullups
    example 2: squats, bench, some kind of rows

    if you chose alternating plans i suggest 6 workouts a week. if you combine them then eod should do.

    weaknesses: arms should grow like mad on this. should they not then choose 1 exercise for biceps and one for triceps. the best are incline dumbell curls and incline triceps behin the head (no idea what its callled. the relevant thing is stretch. get as much stretch as possible util you can feel your muscles nearly ripping apart.

    all other muscle groups should not need isolation exercises.

    metabolic pathway. isos for muscles if you want. 1 set per muscle the opposite of the extreme stretch. limited range like concentration curl, 10 second positive, drop the weight (0 sec. negative), 10 sec positive. you may be able to do 3 reps with 20 pounds. no pro bb workout plan will cause the pain of cutting the blood flow. it is basically like tying up your muscle so no blood circulation takes place. after it will be flooded with blood and the pump surpasses anything experienced and is all that may be needed for the metabolic pathway as the sheer volume one does is impossible not to trigger metabolic responses...lol

    reasons people fail: daily full body with 100 reps per day
    doing 100 singles with their 2 rep max.
    doing 100 reps with 150% of their 1rm doing negatives with a partner.
    (muscle faliure. this is striclty prohibited and ruins everything but some may not understand this. you can train 500 reps a day witout failure and your cns will be fine. one attempt at a powerlifting pr failed and your ****ed. cns recovery is the limiting factor, muscles learn to reover while being trained, as shown by people who do a set ever 10 min., except for while sleeping. the results are insane and nobody ever felt burnt out)

    to sum it up in one sentence: if your muscle is resistent to 300 pounds, how can 200 pounds have an effect even when you do 20 sets of chest with 5 intensity techniques? (the answer is obvious but i will repeat once more. mechanical tension is all that matters and once conditioned only more weight can break this conditioning, no system, nothing, just more weight. cluster hst allows this combined with volume, frequency and no cns burnout.
    You literally have NO idea what you're talking about. AT ALL. "Once you bench 300 for 2 reps you can never bench 280 even for 10 sets".. you're not really this dense are you?

    It's funny that you make a thread trying to expose pseudoscience whilst propagating it yourself.

    Just stop dude, and never program for anyone (even yourself) from this day on.

    Moreover, this post is surely in the wrong thread.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by redman24 View Post
    you know, my own supplementation i go by feel. i expect things to do nothing. creatine for me does not increase strength by a single rep ever in its normal form. c-o-p, the first time ingested i broke a record on an exercise i had been stuck for months (normally i break every pr every workout, but pullups around 120lbs or so became a very slow process). instead of 4 reps or failing pathetically on the 5th i did 5 nice reps. i just knew that it wasnt coincidence. also i got strenght everywhere which was beyond normal progression. but amento for me is insane. i dosed it up to 240mg though. within 3 workouts i went from 265lbs dual plate loaded shoulder press to 400 pounds. (thats in around a week at my training frequency) within a month or so i did 490 (those machines are about 60% of whats realistic weight for whatever reason)
    also there are several dual plate loaded machines for back, like rowing and lat pulldown. i can just say my strength went up a lot. i cant give you numbers but on one machine i needed to tie about 450 pounds on it or so as the fully loaded machine i would do cardio with.
    at the time i was actually on very low dose aas, and a low bodyweight for me so the sudden increase came as a real surprise.

    i can't say they are the best compounds for everyone but for me nothing beats strength in comparison. forgetting amento preworkout would make me lose reps going from 8 to 5, while normally i would have managed 9 or 10.

    i am quite well known on german forums so once i offered 5 people to try my own mix of preworkout ingredients. i spent 10 euros per serving plus shipping, so maybe 70 euros, justt so i could show them whats possible. the responses were absolutely insane. i gave some to a guy at my gym and he went all nuts over it and wanted to know everything, said he never had such strength, insane pump, euphoria, he cant ever train without it ...lol

    so maybe not everyone responded to amento, i dont now. but ubiquinol+shilajit will beat any endurance supp on the market. people just dont try as they think its for old people and anti aging or something.

    most other ingredients i mentioned are the best of the best there is, purenergy at 400mg, arginocarn, 1mg (1000mcg) methylfolate,
    adding alpha-gpc and various other things (people are free to use pump supps but they really dont increase performance like mitochondrial energy increasing products).
    creatine-pyruvate
    calcium-orotate
    (would add l-carnitine-fumarate for sure if there wasnt arginocarn but maybe stacking would work well. fumaric acid makes a huge difference to tartaric acd. for me plcar is okay, lc-fumarate is great. lclt is nothing and alcar or arginocarn are mostly good for a long term effect on the brain but some will get great focus and im sure there is also some endurance benefit. coupled with pterostilbene at 228mg and pyruvic acid and orotic acid there will be such an insane increase in mitochondrial energy, a first working set will feel like a warm up. i remember how crazy my training and shape was at tha time...)

    i cant wait to get most of these things together as they make a huge difference for me, mor than just adding more gear as its a completely different approach to performance.

    i was only posting what has worked best for me. i definitely dont want a company releasing a pre with all this.

    to the companies: its all crap, dont use any of tha ****. nobody will buy it. leave it for idiots like me please
    LOL
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