Gaspari Anavite found with 1-Andro??

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    This is old news, I posted it in another thread ages ago and no one took noticed or even believed me! Haha(There was a tainted supplements thread, and it was listed on the FDA or USADA website)

    Millennium Sport Technologies is being sued too.
    This just came out because he's the first of the many fighters who've been popped for banned substances to actually take on the supplement company with the spiked product.

    What did MST get popped for? Every product I've seen of there's seems to be on the straight and narrow of ingredients.

    The shill is strong everywhere but I find it hard to believe that USADA would lie to back a mid tier fighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CATdiesel76 View Post
    Highly doubt it. He used to be years ago. He had his own forum on here you can still find if you google. Anyways he was treated like **** and everyone and there mom was after him after he came out and said craze was spiked. Everyone thought he was just trying to take down a competitor....

    maybe if the paycheck was good enough but I donít really think he cares much about workout supplements anymore. Mostly sticks to developing new Ketone products
    I appreciate the sentiment of that unfortunately the marketing of every company is touting how high quality their products are, so the waters become murky. Companies who want to help people and do it the right way are overshadowed by these instances making it harder and harder for the consumer to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GottiStatus View Post
    This just came out because he's the first of the many fighters who've been popped for banned substances to actually take on the supplement company with the spiked product.

    What did MST get popped for? Every product I've seen of there's seems to be on the straight and narrow of ingredients.

    The shill is strong everywhere but I find it hard to believe that USADA would lie to back a mid tier fighter.
    Sure they would. They are trying to portray an image of cracking down on cheaters and it is based on the wada list. I don't think they lie, they just leave context out of the story...as in finding parts per million in something.

    https://ufc.usada.org/substances/prohibited-list/

    This is a perfect example of someone testing something having miniscule amounts that isn't even detectable under standard testing and in fact would have zero physiological effect on you. Its like finding testosterone in parts per million in dhea bottles. It literally has no effect on you. You know how much 1-andro you would need to do anything? You would have to fill half the cap.



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    Quote Originally Posted by GottiStatus View Post
    Negative. The supplement was tested by USADA and a 3rd party lab. And another tub was purchased and tested.
    Not negative. Anyone who honestly thinks these guys are getting any type of performance enhancement from trace amounts of Andro is smoking something far more potent.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    Sure they would. They are trying to portray an image of cracking down on cheaters and it is based on the wada list. I don't think they lie, they just leave context out of the story...as in finding parts per million in something.


    This is a perfect example of someone testing something having miniscule amounts that isn't even detectable under standard testing and in fact would have zero physiological effect on you. Its like finding testosterone in parts per million in dhea bottles. It literally has no effect on you. You know how much 1-andro you would need to do anything? You would have to fill half the cap.
    I understand that it might not be enough to even make a difference in performance or a effect a change hormones. My point is that as a consumer it's concerning that these substances can be found in a product that should be safe. I could care less about fighters getting popped. Just think more care should be put into what goes into manufacturing what we are consuming from these companies. Is that naive? Yes. Are supplements a choice? Yes. Just think our dollars should come with some peace of mind. Just my take on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GottiStatus View Post
    I understand that it might not be enough to even make a difference in performance or a effect a change hormones. My point is that as a consumer it's concerning that these substances can be found in a product that should be safe. I could care less about fighters getting popped. Just think more care should be put into what goes into manufacturing what we are consuming from these companies. Is that naive? Yes are supplements a choice? Yes
    Its like worrying about the level of arsenic in your water. 99.9% don't even know its there, yet I could make it sound like you were getting poisoned.

    WADA posted a list years ago about the same thing. It turns out their testing equipment was tainted and everything they ran had traces..and they were causing it....amounts that had zero significance. Did that stop them from posting the supplements as being tainted? No.

    Does it make sense for a supplement company to put trace amounts in there? No. It has zero effect, but I sure can get a bunch of people on the internet and news media to think otherwise.



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  7. Dang I haven't heard of this until now. That's pretty crazy... Well stock up on anavite It's the first Multi + Andro product haha jk
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    Its like worrying about the level of arsenic in your water. 99.9% don't even know its there, yet I could make it sound like you were getting poisoned.

    WADA posted a list years ago about the same thing. It turns out their testing equipment was tainted and everything they ran had traces..and they were causing it....amounts that had zero significance. Did that stop them from posting the supplements as being tainted? No.

    Does it make sense for a supplement company to put trace amounts in there? No. It has zero effect, but I sure can get a bunch of people on the internet and news media to think otherwise.
    Very true. Do you think this is enough ammo to get traction in court against Gaspari and Vitamin Shoppe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GottiStatus View Post
    Very true. Do you think this is enough ammo to get traction in court against Gaspari and Vitamin Shoppe?
    If you look at most of the cases in which athletes sue supplement companies they almost always settle for an undisclosed amount of money. Then the athlete says "it wasn't about the money, its the principle"

    Why? Really simple. When the truth comes out of what the athlete was really doing, he will settle for an amount similar to what the supp company would pay to defend itself.



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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    If you look at most of the cases in which athletes sue supplement companies they almost always settle for an undisclosed amount of money. Then the athlete says "it wasn't about the money, its the principle"

    Why? Really simple. When the truth comes out of what the athlete was really doing, he will settle for an amount similar to what the supp company would pay to defend itself.
    That's most likely how it would play out. Dude was a mid level fighter not like he lost out on millions im sure if they offer an amount that will cover his lost time,fight purse and training camp he will take it. Just a weird circumstance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GottiStatus View Post
    That's most likely how it would play out. Dude was a mid level fighter not like he lost out on millions im sure if they offer an amount that will cover his lost time,fight purse and training camp he will take it. Just a weird circumstance.
    I don't like seeing good people dragged through the mud. Matt from MST has been in business and here for over a decade. He's a good guy and to have him dragged through the mud over some bull**** because the UFC wants to look like they are actually doing something about all their athletes using steroids...well its bull****.

    Your athletes aren't jacked and ripped from ****ing trace amounts of 1-andro.



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  12. Common sense would tell me Hi-Tech/gaspari would lose a lot of money if they were putting andros in their multi. The price of Anavite is cheap for a solid multi. Adding andros would create a loss. And for those that will refute that stating the users will see a performance increase, even if Gaspari used trace amounts, the cost to benefit would not be worth it. No one is going to see a boost unless there is 300+ mg of andros in it. Probably just a cross contamination issue, if there is one.
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  13. Brb gonna get me a bottle of Anavite from the vitamin shoppe lol

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    I don't like seeing good people dragged through the mud. Matt from MST has been in business and here for over a decade. He's a good guy and to have him dragged through the mud over some bull**** because the UFC wants to look like they are actually doing something about all their athletes using steroids...well its bull****.

    Your athletes aren't jacked and ripped from ****ing trace amounts of 1-andro.
    Hmmm I did some digging and the article has been updated showing this same fighter who is suing Gaspari is the one suing MST over Cordygen with tests from USADA and a 3rd party showing trace amounts of 1-Andro.

  15. This entire thing makes ZERO sense to me. HTP manufactures PH's, including 1-DHEA. This is VERY different than the claimed compound they found...androstenediol. If HTP was going to spike their product, why would they use a weak(er) prohormone, and not the "good" stuff?


    This entire thing absolutely reeks of a fighter using something he shouldn't have, and lashing out to blame someone else.
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  16. The OP claimed they found 1-DHEA in anavite...this is incorrect. They claim they found androstenedione in it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstenedione


    totally different compound that HTP doesn't include in ANY of their products.
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  17. I'm 100% with you here. The guy got popped and he's not owning up to his role in the equation. It's always easier to blame someone/something else. Not to mention, by suing there's always potential for some monetary gain. I highly highly doubt there will be any proof to these allegations, but I'm curious to see what, if anything happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntM1564 View Post
    Common sense would tell me Hi-Tech/gaspari would lose a lot of money if they were putting andros in their multi. The price of Anavite is cheap for a solid multi. Adding andros would create a loss. And for those that will refute that stating the users will see a performance increase, even if Gaspari used trace amounts, the cost to benefit would not be worth it. No one is going to see a boost unless there is 300+ mg of andros in it. Probably just a cross contamination issue, if there is one.
    This is one of the reason why I said it made no sense.



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  19. Does anyone have a copy of the complaint or a case # for this?

    I find it highly unlikely that Hi-Tech is intentionally putting PHs in stuff off-label.

    I also find it relatively unlikely that trace contamination would trigger a positive test.

    It would be useful to know what level he tested positive for, and what level they claimed to detect in anavite.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    The OP claimed they found 1-DHEA in anavite...this is incorrect. They claim they found androstenedione in it.

    totally different compound that HTP doesn't include in ANY of their products.
    I didn't claim anything I simply was referencing what the article stated. I do not use PH's so i don't know the terminology's or the compound names or differences between them. I don't have a side here as I said previously I posted this to get more feedback and knowledge from those with more familiar in the industry than I.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by GottiStatus View Post
    I didn't claim anything I simply was referencing what the article stated. I do not use PH's so i don't know the terminology's or the compound names or differences between them. I don't have a side here as I said previously I posted this to get more feedback and knowledge from those with more familiar in the industry than I.
    I was not attacking you, just referring to the information originally posted by the complaint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I was not attacking you, just referring to the information originally posted by the complaint.


    Understood good sir I was hoping a Hi-Tech rep would come across this thread and provide some info.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by GottiStatus View Post
    I appreciate the sentiment of that unfortunately the marketing of every company is touting how high quality their products are, so the waters become murky. Companies who want to help people and do it the right way are overshadowed by these instances making it harder and harder for the consumer to believe.

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  24. Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Does anyone have a copy of the complaint or a case # for this?

    I find it highly unlikely that Hi-Tech is intentionally putting PHs in stuff off-label.

    I also find it relatively unlikely that trace contamination would trigger a positive test.

    It would be useful to know what level he tested positive for, and what level they claimed to detect in anavite.
    I've read through the documents. I am unable to find a single instance where they indicate supposed levels found with Anavite or from blood/urine samples.

    The thing that really has me confused is the paperwork being unable to properly identify 1-Androstenedione from 1-DHEA and their continual usage of "androstenedione" in place of 1-androstenedione. It is extremely poorly written from a technical standpoint.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I've read through the documents. I am unable to find a single instance where they indicate supposed levels found with Anavite or from blood/urine samples.

    The thing that really has me confused is the paperwork being unable to properly identify 1-Androstenedione from 1-DHEA and their continual usage of "androstenedione" in place of 1-androstenedione. It is extremely poorly written from a technical standpoint.
    They don't even have their lab tests at the end as an addendum?

    Great lawyer this guy has...lol
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