What's Worked - Non-hormonal Anabolics

[EricMM]

For me the best probably would have to be Forskolin 20% at about 500mg per day. That's the sweet spot once my stomach settles down.

I also have great luck with Natadrol from LG Sciences.

Ecdysterone has never really worked, neither has Laxogenin.

Epicatechin stacked with Myo-X seemed to work really well for me too.

 

[HIT4ME]

I may seem a little biased, but BMP from Evomuse actually surprised me.

Creatine.
Protein powder.
Meat.

 

[rowz4broz]

PA really fills me out

 

[rowz4broz]

For me the best probably would have to be Forskolin 20% at about 500mg per day. That's the sweet spot once my stomach settles down.

I also have great luck with Natadrol from LG Sciences.

Ecdysterone has never really worked, neither has Laxogenin.

Epicatechin stacked with Myo-X seemed to work really well for me too.

too early for math, but how many caps of PES Forskolin would this equal?

 

[Young Gotti]

Creatine
Protein
Laxo
BMP
Prime

Theres a lot of products I prefer over the PH's that are on the market today. Epicatechin being one of my least favorite along with PA. ARA is ok too but at this point I prefer other options.

 

[rowz4broz]

Creatine
Protein
Laxo
BMP
Prime

Theres a lot of products I prefer over the PH's that are on the market today. Epicatechin being one of my least favorite along with PA. ARA is ok too but at this point I prefer other options.

laxo over epi? interesting and what is prime

 

[LeanEngineer]

laxo over epi? interesting and what is prime

I'd say epi over laxo but I will typically use anafuse by vital labs when I use natty products and it has both so it's a win win.

 

[Young Gotti]

laxo over epi? interesting and what is prime

Yeah when i used both products individually i see nothing from epi...and a nice recomp from laxo

Prime was an old usplabs product...not sure its in existence anymore

 

[TheTank516]

Yeah when i used both products individually i see nothing from epi...and a nice recomp from laxo

Prime was an old usplabs product...not sure its in existence anymore

I agree . Prime was good. I don't think you can get it anymore.

 

[rowz4broz]

I agree . Prime was good. I don't think you can get it anymore.

found it online from an eu retailer

 

[BigGame84]

I believe Prime is still being made... By a company called Precision Research. I think they are a sister company of InnovaPharm.

 

[baxmax]

Eric Mar,


Properly standardized or isolated plant constituents always deliver results.

 

[rowz4broz]

Eric Mar,


Properly standardized or isolated plant constituents always deliver results.

my exubol will be coming in tomorrow. Im excited

 

[EricMM]

Eric Mar,


Properly standardized or isolated plant constituents always deliver results.

For sure! Forskolin makes me feel like a GOD. I get massive erections, fat loss and feel great in the gym! The erections were the biggest surprise. It's better than Viagra for me.

 

[The Express 42]

SNS X gels and CEL Epi plex make for a great combo. Always have some creatine in there as well. I remember one site selling 3 SNS creatine monohydrates for $20 and I think it’s still going on, that’s a years supply of creatine. I am about to try follidrone 2.0 and I have heard good things about massmax xt

 

[booneman77]

too early for math, but how many caps of PES Forskolin would this equal?

that would be 100mg of forskolin so 2 caps of PES Shift or ABE

For me, Myokem magnitropin (odd becuase epicat does nothing for me, but it is only a small portion of the formula so theres that) and ARA are my favorite natty productsas far as building... cutting, yohimbine and f95 are my go-to

 

[R1balla]

Forskolin, MassMax xt, Prime (somebody said it’s still being made) and IGF2 are in my top list of favorite supplements. OG Anabeta was at the top but.....

 

[EricMM]

Eric Mar,


Properly standardized or isolated plant constituents always deliver results.

I agree! I like isolated extracts

 

[Barca1323]

How does Forskolin affect appetite? I’m trying to gain weight but optimize hormones obviously but I don’t want an appetite suppressant. I am currently trying out DIM but I think it may b doing the opposite of what i wanted it to do

 

[R1balla]

How does Forskolin affect appetite? I’m trying to gain weight but optimize hormones obviously but I don’t want an appetite suppressant. I am currently trying out DIM but I think it may b doing the opposite of what i wanted it to do

I’ve never had any issues with it. I haven’t seen anybody say that it decreases or increases appetite either.

 

[warbird01]

ArA by far for me.

 

[John Smeton]

Protein whey
Micronized Creatine Monohydrate
Beta alanine
branch chain aminos acids and/or eaa's

Things I feel are necessary
vitamin C
Multivitamin
Fish oil
zinc, magnesium and /or any other vitamin you want more of as each different kinds of vitamins has different effects

 

[EricMM]

How does Forskolin affect appetite? I’m trying to gain weight but optimize hormones obviously but I don’t want an appetite suppressant. I am currently trying out DIM but I think it may b doing the opposite of what i wanted it to do

Never had an issue with it either way. It does cause massive watery dumps at high levels which will certainly not cause weight gain! So, I'd be careful of that.

 

[DEVANS89]

I really enjoyed two tubs of the original cutler king PA before they changed the formula and hid what was actually in the caps.


Origin is another one, felt full and pumped all day, and could eat big meals and feel great and not bloated

 

[jameschoi]

I really enjoyed two tubs of the original cutler king PA before they changed the formula and hid what was actually in the caps.


Origin is another one, felt full and pumped all day, and could eat big meals and feel great and not bloated

What was in the PA.

 

[rowz4broz]

What was in the PA.

superdrol

 

[dondon]

What’s your source for magnesium? Citrate, malate etc, and mgs per day or dose. Thanks.

 

[EricMM]

What’s your source for magnesium? Citrate, malate etc, and mgs per day or dose. Thanks.

You know I look to life extension for that stuff and they sell the oxide and I suppose that's good enough! Cheap and effective.

 

[Kevinhim]

In my eyes, it doesn't get much better then a quality protein source and a creatine nowadays. But if I had to chose a specific product, I've never found anything that can compete w/ OG Anabeta Elite.

 

[00A]

In my eyes, it doesn't get much better then a quality protein source and a creatine nowadays. But if I had to chose a specific product, I've never found anything that can compete w/ OG Anabeta Elite.

The testbooster?

 

[Kevinhim]

The testbooster?

I always thought it was tooted as a "muscle builder" rather than a test booster - it could have been a test booster though. I'm talking the 2013ish version, not sure what has changed since then.

 

[cubsfan815]

I always thought it was tooted as a "muscle builder" rather than a test booster - it could have been a test booster though. I'm talking the 2013ish version, not sure what has changed since then.

It was natural anabolic. It was single ingredient Anacyclus pyrethrum. Now only the elite version is available. I personally feel ABE is better, not sure why people prefer OG so much.

I do have 2 OG bottles for sale... highest bidder

 

[R1balla]

It was natural anabolic. It was single ingredient Anacyclus pyrethrum. Now only the elite version is available. I personally feel ABE is better, not sure why people prefer OG so much.

I do have 2 OG bottles for sale... highest bidder

I’ve used ABE and I do not get the same “all day fullness” or hunger as I did with OG Anabeta. Which is why I like to stack ABE with MassMax XT.

 

[dbuckley82]

OG Anabeta did way more for me than ABE. ABE was a huge dissapointment. I'd buy OG in a second.

Anybody have experience with OG Anabeta and OL Testify? Are they comparible as far as a hunger stimulation/ anabolic effect? Test1fy at the top of my list, but I keep going back to KB.

 

[R1balla]

OG Anabeta did way more for me than ABE. ABE was a huge dissapointment. I'd buy OG in a second.

Anybody have experience with OG Anabeta and OL Testify? Are they comparible as far as a hunger stimulation/ anabolic effect? Test1fy at the top of my list, but I keep going back to KB.

I haven’t used Testify but I did LOVE Anabeta. I enjoy ABE also but not nearly as much as OG Anabeta. What I like to do is use MassMax XT (for the hunger/weight gain that I saw from Anabeta), bulk forskolin around 100mg / day for 12 weeks, and ArA for the pumps/fullness feeling. The only thing you are missing is the all day fullness (on non training days) that you saw from OG Anabeta.

 

[EricMM]

What was the difference in the two?

 

[Slims]

What was the difference in the two?

Between OG Anabeta and Anabeta Elite?

 

[mcgeier]

OG Anabeta did way more for me than ABE. ABE was a huge dissapointment. I'd buy OG in a second.

Anybody have experience with OG Anabeta and OL Testify? Are they comparible as far as a hunger stimulation/ anabolic effect? Test1fy at the top of my list, but I keep going back to KB.

Would also be interested if OL Testify compares to Anabeta. Any idea?

 

[rowz4broz]

Would also be interested if OL Testify compares to Anabeta. Any idea?

two different types of products

 

[mw1]

I dont think you will find a more comprehensive ingred panel than M Test. Xgels has always produced great results as well

 

[Slims]

Would also be interested if OL Testify compares to Anabeta. Any idea?

I've used OG Anabeta, Anabeta Elite V2, Anabeta Elite V3 and Test1fy.

Test1fy was o.k and got some reasonable strength gains but nothing compared to OG Anabeta. But as rowz4broz said, they're two different types of products.
Anabeta=
Increased Appetite
Increased Strength
Increased "I Can Do This" View
Increased Libido
Better Sleep
Better Pumps
Better Carb Utilisation/Less Bloating

Test1fy=
Increased Strength
Increased Libido

 

[USPlabsRep]

For me the best probably would have to be Forskolin 20% at about 500mg per day. That's the sweet spot once my stomach settles down.

I also have great luck with Natadrol from LG Sciences.

Ecdysterone has never really worked, neither has Laxogenin.

Epicatechin stacked with Myo-X seemed to work really well for me too.

Nutrient loading

 

[EricMM]

Yeah the difference from OAB and ABE

 

[Slims]

Yeah the difference from OAB and ABE

Original Anabeta contained 3,200mg serving of Anacyclus Pyrethrum (Anabeta's Powerhouse) and although Anabeta Elite still contains Anacyclus Pyrethrum, it's in a 3,000mg prop blend. So they lowered the powerhouse ingredient and put it in a prop blend

 

[BCseacow83]

It was natural anabolic. It was single ingredient Anacyclus pyrethrum. Now only the elite version is available. I personally feel ABE is better, not sure why people prefer OG so much.

I do have 2 OG bottles for sale... highest bidder

I prefer the OG as the price/results were where I liked them. The elite did not deliver enough additional results to justify the cost for me personally. YMMV

 

[BCseacow83]

Barlowes makes a solo AP extract. Will try at some point.

 

[Slims]

Barlowes makes a solo AP extract. Will try at some point.

600mg of a 10:1 extract. So about 5-6 caps a day to be comparable to OG Anabeta and with only 60 caps per bottle it'll only last about 10 days :/

 

[00A]

600mg of a 10:1 extract. So about 5-6 caps a day to be comparable to OG Anabeta and with only 60 caps per bottle it'll only last about 10 days :/

What results you get with original?

 

[Slims]

What results you get with original?

OG Anabeta=
Increased Appetite
Increased Strength
Increased "I Can Do This" View
Increased Libido
Better Sleep
Better Pumps
Better Carb Utilisation/Less Bloating

All of what I mentioned above

 

[chemjr]

600mg of a 10:1 extract. So about 5-6 caps a day to be comparable to OG Anabeta and with only 60 caps per bottle it'll only last about 10 days :/

Barlowes makes a solo AP extract. Will try at some point.

Yeah, but there's something to be said for barlowes sourcing. His products always surpass my expectations so I'd guess you could use less and get similar effect.

And why have I not seen LGI secreteabridge noted on here? That stuff was a great natty anabolic for me. Wild yam extract and it's counterparts are no joke. Feels like 5mg of var. Which is significant. Makes me lift harder amd longer which makes me eat more and also seems to helps with recovery. Or maybe that's the food. Idk. Seems to help with digestion a bit in myself as well.

Also, do people not know that some probiotics are actually very important for muscle growth and test levels? I think there's a guy out there that makes a "test boosting" probiotic. Cannot recall where though and haven't used so couldn't say if it's any good. But can say I notice that when I'm out of my renew life Ultimate flora I do worse.


Ps- also gotta check his page twice a week for sales. Rando, products go up for half price and things like that so you may want to try barlowes version then....?