Does anyone NOT take a preworkout before a workout?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by jtmass View Post
    The problem with PWO is addiction. Train your mind well and stay out of it for a while. You'll know you don't need them to get a good workout. I only take a PWO on my Leg day and back day (sometimes).
    Dependence seems to be a more accurate term here IMO, but that's not really the point of this thread I suppose.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    Dependence seems to be a more accurate term here IMO, but that's not really the point of this thread I suppose.
    I am trying to show people the difference between dependency and addiction when possible, I think it's a good idea to start separating them and using the terms correctly. Yes this isn't the point of the thread but I see no issue with you interjecting that comment. Lol
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Industrial View Post
    I found myself not being able to sleep very well last night at all because I took some Mesomorph before my workout at around 5:30 pm.

    I really don't want to work out without my preworkout, but if some of the veterans here do it, maybe I can take some advice. Any of you guys workout without a preworkout supplement?
    I use a pre-workout for my pre-workout. I drink my coffee while my pre-workout quietly sits there commingling with the water, and added ingredients like taurine. It's a ritual that gets me going at 4:30am. If I didn't start my pre-workout routine that early, I might skip it most of the time, if taking it at all, but it really does give me focus, and motivation. (Walk through a brick wall kind). Don't get me wrong with the pre-pre workout. I half-scoop.

    I remember when my gym door wouldn't open and I already had my pre-workout. I was really angry... and motivated. Not good. The manager told me to text him next time at any hour and he'd come out to open me. The kid who closed forgot and turned the computer off that controls the doors. I think he gave me a year's membership for free. I have yet to get a bill, and my key fob still works, so I won't complain.

    Back to the topic. To answer your question. I like it because my workout only takes 45 minutes, and I make it count.

    Edit: I should admit. I have a few tubs of BLOODSHOT hanging out, and I use it very sparingly. Of course our new Stim based Pre-workout TRUSTIM is amazing, especially when combined with TRUPUMP, or just have TRUPUMP by itself after your covfefe?
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  4. There are so many lower-stim preworkouts that might not keep you awake for as long as Mesomorph. Mesomorph is near the top of the food chain energy-wise, and you may find that you can use something more moderately stimmed in the evening and still sleep fine (or you could even try a half dose of Meso and see how that treats you).

    If you want to go non-stim altogether, there's a few different routes you can go.

    You could go entirely preworkout free. Maybe have a small carb-heavy snack before working out. Maybe even have a small cup of coffee for some energy but keeping stims lower than Mesomorph.

    You could try something with ergogenic benefits. Tr1umph is stim-free, yet offers ingredients that help with strength and body composition. While the majority of compounds contained in Tr1umph can be used any time of day, there are a few that are best used preworkout for optimal benefits. This is usually the route I go when I don't want stims (and there are times when I use Tr1umph + caffeine pill for a stimmed workout too).

    You could try something non-stim but pump-heavy. We will be releasing Ep1logue very soon, which combines Vaso6, (-)-epicatechin, and urolithin B for pump + natural anabolic benefits. If you can't wait, PEScience has High Volume and Gaspari has PlasmaJet (PlasmaJet is low-stim rather than non-stim).
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  5. Damn plasma jet is probably best low stim pre workout! I forgot about that. Was thinking about powdered pre's
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    Dependence seems to be a more accurate term here IMO, but that's not really the point of this thread I suppose.
    You're right.. But, still sticking to the point. OP needs to see how he trains without a PWO. PWO is an accessory and not a necessity. He is asking if people train without a PWO (guessing that he wants to know if you can still be as motivated and focused)

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jtmass View Post
    You're right.. But, still sticking to the point. OP needs to see how he trains without a PWO. PWO is an accessory and not a necessity. He is asking if people train without a PWO (guessing that he wants to know if you can still be as motivated and focused)
    Agree. I interpreted OP statements in the same way as @jtmass.

  8. Stimulants are the only problem in a PrWO. You don't need them. AAMF, if you have to *really* put your strength to good (life saving?) use in the real world - you ain't gonna know to down stimulants before the car slips off the jack

    Other stuff in them is fine though - like the 'looking better, and better' Citrulline Malate, etc... just get some bulk stuff (Nootropics too) and put it in Crystal Lite or like @SOLUTION said, an Ergonine like product.

  9. No PWO here, but I do take citrulline, creatine, and rhodiola. PWOs crack me out and I cannot get into the right mental state when I feel hyper.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by jtmass View Post
    You're right.. But, still sticking to the point. OP needs to see how he trains without a PWO. PWO is an accessory and not a necessity. He is asking if people train without a PWO (guessing that he wants to know if you can still be as motivated and focused)
    yes pretty much this.

    although I appreciate everyone recommending non-stim ones. i am looking into Transparent Labs' Pre series.

  11. 100% agree that its NOT necessary. Are there benefits? Sure. What you need to weigh is the cost:benefit... Is losing a nights sleep costing you more than what you were able to gain in the gym? A rep here and there probably is way less effective vs a good nights rest in the big picture.

    Just getting in the gym and putting in SOME work is a positive step for sure.

    For me, there's plenty of days I train without a pre. I travel for a living so its not convenient to have to take a bunch of stuff all over the world with me all the time so plenty of my training is done on nothing. As well, theres days I 100% need a good ol fashioned kick to get moving (early AM) or to keep up after a long day. Its all about finding the balance between good lifts and good recovery. We all know the gym itself is only part of the formula of building muscle and being lean.

    There's plenty of good low and non-stim options on the market tho as well for the days when you need a little something:
    some options - beta alanine (the tingles can be a nice "feel" to get you moving without actual stims), agmatine (pumps/gda), noopept xt (focus), focus xt (regular is low-moderate stim, caffiene free for non), citrulline (pumps), etc etc. Lots to choose from based on what you need and what.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Industrial View Post
    I found myself not being able to sleep very well last night at all because I took some Mesomorph before my workout at around 5:30 pm.

    I really don't want to work out without my preworkout, but if some of the veterans here do it, maybe I can take some advice.

    Any of you guys workout without a preworkout supplement?
    On lifting days I use gamer up which has 125 mgs caffiene, some l tyrosine and l taurine (2 grams each) Thats plenty for me.

    On non lifting days like yesterday I did 200 mgs caffeine on empty stomach and did 20 minutes interval cardio, then six hours later did arms , no pre workout needed, I ate some carbs an hour or so before pre workout and that was plenty for energy
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    100% agree that its NOT necessary. Are there benefits? Sure. What you need to weigh is the cost:benefit... Is losing a nights sleep costing you more than what you were able to gain in the gym? A rep here and there probably is way less effective vs a good nights rest in the big picture.
    I like that you brought up this point. Spot on.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by The_Old_Guy View Post
    Stimulants are the only problem in a PrWO. You don't need them. AAMF, if you have to *really* put your strength to good (life saving?) use in the real world - you ain't gonna know to down stimulants before the car slips off the jack

    Other stuff in them is fine though - like the 'looking better, and better' Citrulline Malate, etc... just get some bulk stuff (Nootropics too) and put it in Crystal Lite or like @SOLUTION said, an Ergonine like product.
    Shouldn't be working under a car without axle stands anyway
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  15. Can't stand preworkout. Haven't taken it in years. Everyone responds differently. Caffeine makes me anxious and ruins my workout. Just my 2 cents.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Shouldn't be working under a car without axle stands anyway
    Hey, it's my body and I'll smash it anyway I want!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Hey, it's my body and I'll smash it anyway I want!
    Car or barbell, crushed by iron is all the same haha
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by ESLW View Post
    Can't stand preworkout. Haven't taken it in years. Everyone responds differently. Caffeine makes me anxious and ruins my workout. Just my 2 cents.
    Hey man good for you, they arnt needed. My first few years I didnt use pre workouts and in the "offseason" never used them. Now I take a little bit.
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  19. Arnold and all those giants back in the golden era didn't have all these fancy preworkouts. Nothing but a good ole cup of coffee.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by cstallion View Post
    Arnold and all those giants back in the golden era didn't have all these fancy preworkouts. Nothing but a good ole cup of coffee.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Industrial View Post
    I found myself not being able to sleep very well last night at all because I took some Mesomorph before my workout at around 5:30 pm.

    I really don't want to work out without my preworkout, but if some of the veterans here do it, maybe I can take some advice.

    Any of you guys workout without a preworkout supplement?
    I don't take pre workout much anymore. Maybe a scoop of some weak stuff I got from frys, every so often.
    Guess after 17 years of it I've gotten bored with it.
    Now If someone came out with some cool flavors, like a Red Bull flavored pre, that'd be cool.

    Go Clemson.

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  22. Yeah, I also take basically bulk Citrulline and add stims if needed. I do have things like caffeine, higenamine, Kigelia Africana extract, Ma Huang, Yohimbine, etc. also at hand, but I rarely use them nowadays.

  23. Ive gone a few years without taking a preworkout and I had fine workouts. These days I am using a lower stim preworkout (150mg MAX) and I have noticed better performance and what not then when I was not using a pre.

    I do not think a preworkout is a necessary supplement. If you feel like you do need energy to lift, grab a cup of coffee
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  24. Now that I think about it, I didn't really start using pre workouts until I became an adult lol.

    Usually kids use them an adults are like pass the coffee. What's that say about me
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  25. I use non stim almost 95% off the time now. High Volume or Vasomax depending on what tub I have open. If I'm really not feeling it, I'll do half scoop HyperMax XT or cap of NootropiMax with my non stim for a boost.

    For a few years I was too dependent on high stims. Then I'd get to gym and be so stimmed out my workouts would suck anyways.
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