Help me get on a stim-break, please!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    I can take 70 mg DMAA 400 caffeine 25 adderall And 25 ephedrine and several other pseudo stims that have like 1/3 caffeine strength, and I can almost pass out two hours later. BUT, did I start with these dose? Hell no lol.
    Lol, that's impressive!


  2. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    Something else id like to point out that can sometimes be overlooked is sleep QUALITY while taking stims habitually. Sure you can maybe take 200 mg caffeine two hrs before going to sleep, but even if it doesnít cause you to wake up, and you sleep through the night, I promise you each and every time you will be having low quality sleep. Caffeine use close to bed chronically can cause a cumulative effect and lead to chronic sleep deprivation, EVEN WHEN YOU GET ENOUGH SLEEP. and this by itself can hamper how well your stims work because now you have chronic sleep deprivation on top of everything else.
    Yup, the two biggest factors that affect my ability to feel my stims are getting adequate sleep, and staying away from alcohol, which in turn affects my sleep
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  3. i need a stim break too. i wake up in the morning and can hardly get out of bed until i pop my 2 pills of hydroxyelite.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    I can take 70 mg DMAA 400 caffeine 25 adderall And 25 ephedrine and several other pseudo stims that have like 1/3 caffeine strength, and I can almost pass out two hours later. BUT, did I start with these dose? Hell no lol.
    Jesus Id be scared to take that much. Good point you worked your way up which means you can work your way down. I take in 125-200 mgs caffiene most days. Like a month ago I was up to 300 or maybe even 500 or 600 on some days.

    I know I ve said it quite a bit I feel tyrosine and taurine is a nice counterbalance for coming off. Taurine has a somewhat calming effect like the yin balancing out the yang. and tyrosine gets some alertness, in science terms dopamine. I take l-dopa twice a week for other reasons, from previous experience and from what I know I wouldnt recommend l-dopa for too long


    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    Something else id like to point out that can sometimes be overlooked is sleep QUALITY while taking stims habitually. Sure you can maybe take 200 mg caffeine two hrs before going to sleep, but even if it doesn’t cause you to wake up, and you sleep through the night, I promise you each and every time you will be having low quality sleep. Caffeine use close to bed chronically can cause a cumulative effect and lead to chronic sleep deprivation, EVEN WHEN YOU GET ENOUGH SLEEP. and this by itself can hamper how well your stims work because now you have chronic sleep deprivation on top of everything else.
    Ive got to have my sleep. Ive been trying melatonin for this,at first i was doing 3 mgs and now small dosing and going no greater than a 1 mg.
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  5. It sucks to hear about the stim addictions, but it makes me feel better that I'm not alone! I dread coming off or trying to come off of my hydroxyelite and coffee/monster drinks.
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  6. take 4 days off work and gym, go cold turkey and take something like Cort Rx for a week or 2.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by BennyMagoo79 View Post
    take 4 days off work and gym, go cold turkey and take something like Cort Rx for a week or 2.
    Four days off work for a stim break? I don't think it is feasible for one to miss work for that reason.
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  8. Stim break stim break... I can not remember the last time I was off any caffeine prolly never in at least the last 13 years... It's hard to do if you have a physically demanding job...

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Swindler View Post
    Stim break stim break... I can not remember the last time I was off any caffeine prolly never in at least the last 13 years... It's hard to do if you have a physically demanding job...
    And unnecessary if you only care about the wakefulness properties. That effect, mediated by antagonism at adenosine receptors, never goes away. The effects that do go away with time are the changes in norepinephrine and dopamine increases, since your body gets used to those changes with chronic use. And you will feel drops in those levels if you were to stop cold turkey, which sucks since you no longer get the boost, but get all the negatives if you stop. But regardless, caffeine use has been shown to be healthy chronically even in doses up to 6-800 per day. That obviously assumes you donít get palpitations and you worked up to that dose.

  10. @bigdavid Send me a PM, I'll hook you up with a bottle of AZOTH to log. Since it's caffeine-free, you might find it useful.

    AZOTH is currently sold on our site at SeekingAzoth.com


    I have been getting many PMs about the ingredient profile, so here it is again:
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    AZOTH Nootropic Complex 2.0 - Get Sh*T Done.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Euclides View Post
    @bigdavid Send me a PM, I'll hook you up with a bottle of AZOTH to log. Since it's caffeine-free, you might find it useful.

    AZOTH is currently sold on our site at SeekingAzoth.com


    I have been getting many PMs about the ingredient profile, so here it is again:
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    Interested in this one since I'm attempting to do a stim break soon as well.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Euclides View Post
    @bigdavid Send me a PM, I'll hook you up with a bottle of AZOTH to log. Since it's caffeine-free, you might find it useful.

    AZOTH is currently sold on our site at SeekingAzoth.com


    I have been getting many PMs about the ingredient profile, so here it is again:
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    Also, I seem to remember theacrine somewhat reducing caffeine tolerance.
    Not wrong, am I?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Euclides View Post
    @bigdavid Send me a PM, I'll hook you up with a bottle of AZOTH to log. Since it's caffeine-free, you might find it useful.

    AZOTH is currently sold on our site at SeekingAzoth.com


    I have been getting many PMs about the ingredient profile, so here it is again:
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Views: 64
Size:  387.9 KB
    PM sent. Thanks! Just a heads up, since I live in Florida I may receive the shipment a week or so later than you might otherwise expect since Irma just came through. That being said I am in more Northern Florida, luckily got power back after a day, minimal damage in my area, and am ready to log whenever it gets here. Iím also currently in a pair a rather difficult graduate courses so the timing is perfect. I can comment on all aspects cognitively.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by BBiceps View Post
    Interested in this one since I'm attempting to do a stim break soon as well.
    Send me a PM. I got you brother.
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  15. TeaCrine's main use is as a stimulant that doesn't give you a crash or any withdrawals common with caffeine intake. However, the other ingredients in AZOTH - Phosphatidylserine and Ashwagandha can help reset your adrenals from stimulant fatigue. Many people use both ingredients to combat adrenal fatigue with great success.


    To quote a popular source:
    " The main difference between theacrine and caffeine is the addition of a ketone to the imidazole ring, and the addition of a methyl group off the open nitrogen. These additions alter theacrine's ability to bind to enzymes in the body like caffeine does. This means that theacrine does not metabolize in the same manner as caffeine, and does not lead to secondary metabolites that can then go on to cause adverse side effects in the body. Due to these changes, theacrine is longer-acting, has less side effects, and does not build tolerance like caffeine"
    AZOTH Nootropic Complex 2.0 - Get Sh*T Done.
    Owner & Formulator

  16. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    PM sent. Thanks! Just a heads up, since I live in Florida I may receive the shipment a week or so later than you might otherwise expect since Irma just came through. That being said I am in more Northern Florida, luckily got power back after a day, minimal damage in my area, and am ready to log whenever it gets here. I’m also currently in a pair a rather difficult graduate courses so the timing is perfect. I can comment on all aspects cognitively.
    Stay safe brother! Packet sent.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by BennyMagoo79 View Post
    take 4 days off work and gym, go cold turkey and take something like Cort Rx for a week or 2.
    I don't miss work unless I'm in jail or dead.

    I do know that stopping high doses of Adderall would want to make me miss 4-5 days of work.

  18. Great discussion guys. I've decided to simply reduce my stim intake. Already down to 2 scoops of Mesomorph on lifting days and I'm FINE.

    However I'm still on EC and doing yohimbine for fasted morning cardio. (No Mesomorph on cardio days, 3 days a week)

  19. It gets better, I forgot to say that I'm on 300mg Wellbutrin. That must be factored in yea?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Ray Donovan View Post
    It gets better, I forgot to say that I'm on 300mg Wellbutrin. That must be factored in yea?
    Unless you started it recently itís inconsequential. Just consider it baseline and disregard. The exception is if there are any cytochrome p450 enzyme interactions and if I remember correctly there arenít many with bupropion.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Euclides View Post
    TeaCrine's main use is as a stimulant that doesn't give you a crash or any withdrawals common with caffeine intake. However, the other ingredients in AZOTH - Phosphatidylserine and Ashwagandha can help reset your adrenals from stimulant fatigue. Many people use both ingredients to combat adrenal fatigue with great success.


    To quote a popular source:
    " The main difference between theacrine and caffeine is the addition of a ketone to the imidazole ring, and the addition of a methyl group off the open nitrogen. These additions alter theacrine's ability to bind to enzymes in the body like caffeine does. This means that theacrine does not metabolize in the same manner as caffeine, and does not lead to secondary metabolites that can then go on to cause adverse side effects in the body. Due to these changes, theacrine is longer-acting, has less side effects, and does not build tolerance like caffeine"
    Interestingly, people that take Theacrine as a standalone product say that they really don't feel anything at all. It seems to need supporting ingredients to make it shine. AZOTH looks like a nice product!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by AntM1564 View Post
    Four days off work for a stim break? I don't think it is feasible for one to miss work for that reason.
    Im better off not being at work when I do a stim reset. Usually I take advantage of a holiday or long weekend though.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by BennyMagoo79 View Post
    Im better off not being at work when I do a stim reset. Usually I take advantage of a holiday or long weekend though.
    I can relate to that. If I were to ever take a stim-break that certainly would make it much easier!

    If I happen to have a b1tch of a cold for a week or so, I tend to cut my stims or have none because I feel like @ss either way, so it's not even worth it. They are more or less forced stim breaks. Since I started taking Evomuse Gut Health about a year ago...I have not gotten sick at all though..
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